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March 29, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
#67
I have seen those guys in combat and they run from gunfire.

I need to see a video of you actually watching them running from gun fire..... or it didn't happen LOL
haha. I don't have video of it. But tonight I will check to see if can find some of me running away. I did a lot of running away in the Balkans and elsewhere. But in all seriousness, the troops I met there were not eager to fight. Now the Guatemalans, they were batshit-crazy to mix it up. Real warriors (unlike me) run toward the sound of gunfire.    


Remind of something, but didnt US troops fleed Somalia, Lost Viethnam war, well any war that wasnt based on using cruise missile and war fought from few K miles? How many times US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan?
legendary
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March 27, 2013, 12:32:13 AM
#66
People have lost the rational debate on this topic. So they try to use fallacies or non sequiturs or emotional arguments instead.

I agree, but perhaps, things need to "come out from within" before they will be "solved from with out"
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March 26, 2013, 11:46:13 PM
#65
People have lost the rational debate on this topic. So they try to use fallacies or non sequiturs or emotional arguments instead.
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March 26, 2013, 11:42:48 PM
#64
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March 26, 2013, 11:25:00 PM
#63
Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I don't think anyone is looking at a gun ban based on its effect on the economy.  Gun Ban discussions are usually centered on 'Guns are necessary for safety and protection' vs. 'Banning guns would reduce the gun homicide rate'.

I think anyone who makes the absurd comment "Well then let's ban cars because cars can kill people!" needs to address the questions I asked. If you want to make such statements, then you do need to answer those questions. If not, others still do.
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March 26, 2013, 05:59:16 PM
#62
Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I don't think anyone is looking at a gun ban based on its effect on the economy.  Gun Ban discussions are usually centered on 'Guns are necessary for safety and protection' vs. 'Banning guns would reduce the gun homicide rate'.

Yes, but he knows he's lost that debate, so he tries to set up a straw-man argument which thinks he can win.
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March 26, 2013, 05:51:54 PM
#61
Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I don't think anyone is looking at a gun ban based on its effect on the economy.  Gun Ban discussions are usually centered on 'Guns are necessary for safety and protection' vs. 'Banning guns would reduce the gun homicide rate'.
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March 26, 2013, 02:40:03 PM
#60
Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

Which position is that? That despite extremely low crime rates, the Japanese live in fear, while despite high crime rates, I do not?

Doesn't seem like a losing one to me.

Consider this. I don't live in fear and I don't have a gun, carry a gun, or want a gun. I live in the United States where the murder rate is 10 times that of Japan, and the incarceration rate is 15 times that of Japan.

You, on the other hand, are such a coward, that you would like to try and paint a picture where not only would the average person need to have a gun here in the U.S., but in Japan as well.

On the contrary, I am not afraid of the average person having that gun, whereas you are. I see no need to fear a gun in the hands of a law-abiding person, yet you would like to take it away from them. That, to me, smacks of fear. Fairly reeks of it, in fact.

Methinks all this calling me a coward is you projecting.

You still have not answered me, by the way, on whether or not you would post this sign outside your home:


If so, I'd love to see a pic of the front of your house with that posted. Show us how truly free of fear you are. If you would not, why not?
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March 26, 2013, 02:22:33 PM
#59
Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

Which position is that? That despite extremely low crime rates, the Japanese live in fear, while despite high crime rates, I do not?

Doesn't seem like a losing one to me.

Consider this. I don't live in fear and I don't have a gun, carry a gun, or want a gun. I live in the United States where the murder rate is 10 times that of Japan, and the incarceration rate is 15 times that of Japan.

You, on the other hand, are such a coward, that you would like to try and paint a picture where not only would the average person need to have a gun here in the U.S., but in Japan as well.
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March 26, 2013, 02:12:19 PM
#58
Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

Which position is that? That despite extremely low crime rates, the Japanese live in fear, while despite high crime rates, I do not?

Doesn't seem like a losing one to me.
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March 26, 2013, 02:04:50 PM
#57
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
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Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
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Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
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These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

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While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
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However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
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A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

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For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.

Thank you immensely for all those quotes. Every fuckin' one of them supports my point.



Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

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March 26, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
#56
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
Quote
Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
Quote
Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
Quote
These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

Quote
While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
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However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
Quote
A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

Quote
For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.

Thank you immensely for all those quotes. Every fuckin' one of them supports my point.

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March 26, 2013, 01:47:18 PM
#55
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
Quote
Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
Quote
Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
Quote
These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

Quote
While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
Quote
However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
Quote
A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

Quote
For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.

Thank you immensely for all those quotes. Every fuckin' one of them supports my point.
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March 26, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
#54
Why is it that politics are all that is needed for me to find out who the stupid ones are?

I don't think you've found out who the stupid ones are. Witness your own non content bearing posts here.
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March 26, 2013, 01:42:48 PM
#53
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
Quote
Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
Quote
Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
Quote
These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

Quote
While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
Quote
However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
Quote
A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

Quote
For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.
legendary
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March 26, 2013, 01:34:34 PM
#52
Why is it that politics are all that is needed for me to find out who the stupid ones are?
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March 26, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
#51
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese. This is more fact ignoring on your part. As for you being a coward, need you compare yourself to a Japanese woman to demonstrate that you are not? Seems so.

I'm sorry, but exploring fashion trends is not a valid way to redeem yourself. Try some facts instead: http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=816
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March 25, 2013, 03:22:29 AM
#50
I do wonder, though, what motivated the Japanese designer of this dress:



Oh, yeah. Fear of crime. Silly me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/world/asia/20japan.html

And I'm the coward, supposedly because I don't fear guns in the hands of civilians. Roll Eyes
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March 25, 2013, 02:41:21 AM
#49
As for me pushing my ideals of freedom on you - I think you are in need of some ideals of freedom pushed on you.

And that's where we disagree. Have a nice life.
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March 25, 2013, 02:39:05 AM
#48
True freedom (and don't forget this, as this may be the first time you've ever learned it) is where you are safe and never have to think about encumbering yourself with the tools of murder. Japan has that. You obviously don't, as you cry everyday and night in these forums about how you're robbed of your freedoms, and fear every boy and man in a shadow behind your house and lurking in every shadow on the streets.

Tsk... I would hardly call having a policeman come into my house and count my bullets because I have a hunting permit "freedom." Guns are not the "tools of murder," they are tools of liberation.

Perhaps we have different definitions of freedom. Tell you what, you don't try and force yours on me, and I won't try and force mine on you, deal?

Let's also remind you about your rewrite of history. Japan had a very violent society and culture. Just because it's convenient for you to point out that they don't now doesn't make your point valid. All it points out is they have done something right.

As for me pushing my ideals of freedom on you - I think you are in need of some ideals of freedom pushed on you. Have you ever considered this simple little concept: if you can't solve gun murders with 300 million guns, what makes you think you're going to solve it with one billion guns?

I'm not a coward like you, fearing muggers and robbers and killers in every shadow, but I understand that they can be there. But seriously, what kind of deluded fucked up person gets off on the idea of desiring a society where you must walk around with a gun on your person all the time? Compensating, are you?
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