Topic: UN Gun control.... GO! - page 2. (Read 3651 times)

True freedom (and don't forget this, as this may be the first time you've ever learned it) is where you are safe and never have to think about encumbering yourself with the tools of murder. Japan has that. You obviously don't, as you cry everyday and night in these forums about how you're robbed of your freedoms, and fear every boy and man in a shadow behind your house and lurking in every shadow on the streets.

Your point?

It's not the gun ban, you know. It's the people. Society.

So you admit then:

- Japan has a very low crime rate
- Japan has virtually no guns
- Japanese citizens don't over compensate and do lots of killings in other ways due to not having guns
- Japan has a very low incarceration rate
- Japan must be incarcerating the right people, despite the low incarceration rates, because there don't seem to be many criminals out there committing crimes

Japanese homicide rate: 0.4
United States homicide rate: 4.8

Japanese incarceration rate: 55
United States incarceration rate: 716

Japanese guns per capita: 0.6
United States guns per capita: 88.8

You must have read a different story than I. I got no implication that they were incarcerating the wrong people. In fact, the implication that I got from that was that they catch everybody. Unfortunately, they have to have a very invasive and coercive police force to do so, but, well, if you want to live in a society completely free of crime, you must occasionally submit to a cavity search.

I'll leave you with one of the founder's thoughts on that:

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

 - Thomas Jefferson

Answer this, halfwit: If Japan is incarcerating the wrong people, and incarcerating so few, then why is their crime rate so low? And where are all the Japanese murders taking place in the absence of guns that you're so inclined to publicize (i.e by cars, trucks, trains and buses, knives, spoons and bottle caps, etc.)?

Oh, I'm quite aware of that, thank you. Your point?

I'll refer you to this, since you can't do it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Japan has already had guns banned for a long time you halfwit.

Japan has already had guns banned for a long time you halfwit.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

Pretend it's Japan. Imagine what would happen to the economy in Japan if cars, trucks, trains and buses were banned. Now imagine what would happen to Japan's economy if guns were banned.

And last but not least, living kills people.  We need a ban on pregnancy.

But you don't base your arguments on what people really use guns for on a daily basis. You use outlying, violent, crazy people. So, I did the same.

Transportation will be almost entirely by rail (for the plebes) and air (for the elites). In-city transportation may have to go back to the horse-and-buggy, reintroducing a cleanliness problem that was eliminated close to a century ago.

I asked three questions in that post. You attempted to answer one of the questions I asked by avoiding what people really use cars for on a daily basis.

Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I think this whole conversation is openended and I thought the input of information was relevant, but I didn't ask the questions so I can't be too sure how usefull it was to the asker but objectivly the information was usefull none the less.