Topic: University Study Finds Fire Did Not Cause Building 7's Collapse on 9/11 - page 16. (Read 2858 times)

Yeah who ever heard of people showing photographic evidence of an event? Fucking nutters!

Quick question. Lets assume for a second your tilting theory is correct. The panels were thrown in at least three different directions as documented by the FEMA debris field map I linked earlier. How exactly did the building tip in more than one direction simultaneously? The video of the event clearly shows material being ejected up and out. Things don't collapse upward.

Badecker used to argue that. I think he's gave up on that one.


Then your initial assertion, that it could have been nothing except explosives, is falsified.

we already debunked the computer model of building 7 because it doesnt represent actual events.
so thats where you go wrong. believing computer models which dont represent actual events. but have been 'carefully thought out'... carefully thought out to show something different than actual events. thus defeating the purpose of actually doing it

There are enough study online that confirms it was an engineering failure and the impact was just a catalyst.

TECSHARE isn't moving away from what he said. It's just that he has figured out a better way to say what he meant all along. And it still isn't as simple as it could be.


The simple thing is that the explosives from the demolition cause all kinds of building destruction, this way and that, which can never be figured out without a carefully thought-out computer model.

wel techshare is atleast taking a step forward.
away from his original

mega explosive force---------------># horizontal
to now atleast be considering.
lessser force .
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                          #diagonal

but the next step he needs to take is about the force.
if you ever had a windy day had one door open. then opened another door at the other end of the house. causes the first door to move.
its just basic small force of air pressure.. no explosives
air pressure from each floor being compressed and blowing out the windows from air pressure.. or as i dumb it down as 'wind' along with the gravity . and also the lean/spin of the large pillar. and the other debris impacting to break off a section. spinning that off..

it aint rocket science. but if you were to put maths to it. the numbers would be low for that requirement to happen.
along with the observation of seeing a large pillar break of into a lean/spin.

yet i have yet to see any explosion. nor any horizontal.

The universal constant they have is to ask people to watch Youtube Videos.


That's entirely plausible as an explanation, and it's quite easy to calculate if the leverage by a long arm pivoting would impart the small percentage of energy required for 500-600 foot landings.

Such a thing is determined not by trying to impress people with words like "MASSIVE BEAM" and "EXPLOSIVE FORCE" but by simply calculating the force required or imparted by a simplified model.

In this case it's extremely easy because you are arguing against the assertion "ONLY EXPLOSIVES COULD HAVE DONE THIS!!!"

Any number of perspectives and approaches can show there are many other ways, as has been done easily here. Then, the assertion is refuted. End of subject.

And then, a rational person might say "I STILL BELIEVE IT WAS EXPLOSIVES!" but he cannot say "ONLY EXPLOSIVES COULD HAVE DONE IT!!!"

Watch this:

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Twin Tower demolition.

These 9/11 conspiracy theory nutters have been watching to many re-runs of the thoroughly debunked and laughable documentary "Loose Change".
I remember watching it back in the day and I was like "huh, well that's interesting...."
Then I did like 5 minutes more research and realized it was a bunch utter bollocks for folks like badecker and techy the gullible masses.
Reminds me of the name of a track my band played ....  "Paranoid Delusions"


Ok troll

ill just leave this as my settled conclusion of the debris from twin towers ended up so far away.. by actually studying the video


enjoy playing your "needs huge force".. "horizontal"

it does not need very much to tip a large panel into a lean.. and then later the top of the panel brake off in a spin to then lodge into the winter garden buildings roof

and its happened again a post of mine has got deleted.and techshare this time was smart enough to delete the quote
but ill include it again

nice try second time round techshare. but your 'horizontal' game is up.
your cover up didnt work

Blah, blah, blah. Proper amounts of the correct sound vibration can turn concrete to dust as well.

Pretty much you are way closer to being a commie that Stephen Jones could ever think of being.

NONE OF THAT is true if the TE = (PE + KE) is more than what is required to turn concrete into dust.

All you need is sufficient energy to do that. That does not mean it must come from explosives. Where in the world did you get that idea?

Stephen Jones ---> another link to a co-conspirator with the Iranian/Chinese disinformation agents.

"unexploded nano-thermite existed in the dust and tiny chunks of concrete. The only way for it to get where he located it, was to mix it right into the concrete at the time the buildings were built"

Wow, a crackpot theory that spontaneously disassembling concrete could be created using an imaginary form of thermite. Can we mix that in with dirt and create spontaneously exploding countries?

More than likely the kennels in the Towers for the service dogs of office workers, were not part of the original construction.

I suspect that some of the buildings around the world have nano-thermite explosive built right into the concrete. But most countries don't have to hide demolition like criminals in the USA might. Why not? Because we are free enough that we just might find out about it, if we are smart enough to go looking in the piles of rubble, afterward.

A big jet liner crashes. People are killed. Authorities spend months to over a year working out exactly what happened. They house the parts in airplane hangars just to check them out over and over.

With the Towers, they almost immediately shipped the parts away. Why? They should have kept them and examined them for years, even if they had to do it rather discretely to keep from hurting the feelings of relatives of the victims. But probably, the victims would rather have watched the examination just to be sure nothing funny was happening.

Inside job.

Simple air pressure, even under great pressure, doesn't crush this amount of concrete into clouds of dust. The only thing that could do that is well-placed charges of explosives... placed throughout the whole building.

All of the ideas being played with in this thread, don't have any strength until one recognizes the clouds of dust for what they are... results from explosions where the explosives are placed throughout the building.

My idea that the explosives were mixed right into the concrete that the building was built from, is the only thing that could produce this kind of dust-cloud effect.

Stephen Jones and an associate tested the dust. He found that unexploded nano-thermite existed in the dust and tiny chunks of concrete. The only way for it to get where he located it, was to mix it right into the concrete at the time the buildings were built.

Or a plausible alternative, there is continued levels of funding by the likes of Chinese spies and propagandists (or other nations that hate America) to create continued discord on matters like this.


No, I did not. I assumed the initial starting energy was 2980 joules/kg.

And the object didn't travel 600 feet "against the effects of gravity." Like it had a magic carpet, you think?

Technically the trajectory would be parabolic but I'm okay with the phrase "diagonal" as a loose approximate of what happens. By the time the object has been moving sideways for  several seconds it's mostly moving vertically down.

I had shown sideways velocity 11m/second. But the vertical component is about the same at the end of the first second and compounds each second.

The effect of compressed air release from each floor creating a sort of air cannon is interesting. It's a significant sideways force. Suppose a falling object gained some sideways velocity as it passed a floor that was pancaking. It would gain such a velocity component for each of several floors it passed by. That would continue until it had fallen past such floors or was too far out sideways to be influenced by such events.

Shoot air sideways, initial air velocity is high and the end result is air velocity low or zero, with eddies and swirls and a return to normal air conditions. That's the continuity equation, basic to aerodynamics. How far out wold this be? I'd guess 100-200 feet. A comparison with potato cannons would be interesting.

The "massive debris cloud" is extremely easy to understand. Concrete hit the ground with something like 2980 joules per kilogram, and disassociated, turning into dust instantly.

That energy must be dissipated, by turning into heat or breaking materials or disassociating concrete bonds. Or a combination. Oh, and the typical mushroom appearance of such a cloud, which is made into a big deal here? That is hot, often very hot air rising in the center, cooling as it expands to ambient pressure, and then going down. How did it get hot? From the dissipation of the 2980 joules per kilogram, energy of PE turning into KE (heat).

There is NOTHING MYSTERIOUS about the dust cloud.

watch the video

you can see the dark section. and you can see it falling and changing in angle.
then you see the end break off

as for the rest of the debris
think about the air pressure from each floor collapse, think where the air has to go. realise its air pushing it.
explosive pressure acts differently and at different speeds.


but hey. ill give it a few hours and ill probably start seeing you backtrack out of ever saying the word horizontal. and backtrack out of the massive force needed for low level horizontal theory.

then a few hours later go back to it as if you forgot which narrative to actually think about. purely so you can entertain yourself in fantasy land

Nice theory. Convenient you just get to assume what is behind a massive debris cloud. Still doesn't explain why debris is going up and out in a ballistic trajectory.

just to fully explain the process..
watch the video again slowly. but keep an eye on that black long diagonal piece(just below your curved arrow).. and the debris around it
here ill show you before a couple frames and then highlight it with nice childish colours.



now look at my previous illustrations of the orange section that ended up in the winter garden roof

and have a nice 19 years.
hopefully your all caught up with the rest of society

i hope you now realise that there was no horizontal part of how the orange piece i indicated ended up loged IN THE TOP of the winter garden roof (not slapped against and lodged against the side