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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
I think it is you who gets his ideas of how physics work from roadrunner cartoons. "Spin" doesn't add momentum or distance to multi-ton steel girders. The amount of energy required to move such massive objects is a simple formula detailed in this video

They make simple formulas and simple videos for simple minds.

If anyone is interested in modern physics, research rotational frame dragging.   Techy's claim is no different than saying global warming is caused by lack of ocean pirates.  :/
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
i think you have been watching too much of that WB cartoon called road runner.
where they run off the edge of a cliff.. stop just off it and drop down straight.

you like drawings so here is how i think you believe it should be
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that dont happen.
lets put it another way. if you stood at the top of a building at the edge and just leaned forward to fall off. with leas force as possible..
you would not be faling with ur ankles grinding against the building as you fall
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now if you do it with a bit of a force like a push or a jump
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now if you take a bit more force like bending metal like a spring/ slingshot. and add a bit of spin
you will get even further out
without needing any massive explosives..

but hey all it takes is to actually watch the videos and you will see the shrapnil fliying.. at an angle
not low level horizintal and not high level complete vertical


I think it is you who gets his ideas of how physics work from roadrunner cartoons. "Spin" doesn't add momentum or distance to multi-ton steel girders. The amount of energy required to move such massive objects is a simple formula detailed in this video, and operates by the accepted laws of physics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKLOlIhang

Yes, do watch the video. Watch how the debris goes up and out, not just down at a acute angle like your falling out a window theory, indicating a powerful outword force being exerted in EVERY direction. Interesting you use the word "shrapnil", because shrapnel by definition is an ejection from an explosive device.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
i think you have been watching too much of that WB cartoon called road runner.
where they run off the edge of a cliff.. stop just off it and drop down straight.

you like drawings so here is how i think you believe it should be
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that dont happen.
lets put it another way. if you stood at the top of a building at the edge and just leaned forward to fall off. with leas force as possible..
you would not be faling with ur ankles grinding against the building as you fall
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now if you do it with a bit of a force like a push or a jump
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now if you take a bit more force like bending metal like a spring/ slingshot. and add a bit of spin
you will get even further out
without needing any massive explosives..

but hey all it takes is to actually watch the videos and you will see the shrapnil fliying.. at an angle
not low level horizintal and not high level complete vertical


Oh! They lied to us. It was only a quarter of a football field. Not two football fields. Well, if they lied about this, they lied about the rest.

Or could it be you skewing the figures? Cheesy

I think you are simply having fun drawing.

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legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
i think you have been watching too much of that WB cartoon called road runner.
where they run off the edge of a cliff.. stop just off it and drop down straight.

you like drawings so here is how i think you believe it should be
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that dont happen.
lets put it another way. if you stood at the top of a building at the edge and just leaned forward to fall off. with leas force as possible..
you would not be faling with ur ankles grinding against the building as you fall
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now if you do it with a bit of a force like a push or a jump
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now if you take a bit more force like bending metal like a spring/ slingshot. and add a bit of spin
you will get even further out
without needing any massive explosives..

but hey all it takes is to actually watch the videos and you will see the shrapnil fliying.. at an angle
not low level horizintal and not high level complete vertical
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
screw it. just to make you look a fool. ill give it a shot


YOUR conspiracy is how a girder went horizontally but you have no proof of a horizontal direction.. its just what you beleive
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reality is..
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why
because that || steel girder was lodged into another building and the impact path in the other building reveals the angel of entry was not horizontal.. yep thats a real physics thing
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also.. guess what.. theres a video of it

bet you wish you done your research before you came to your flawed no evidence conspiracy theory.




Nice drawing. Who said anything about angle of entry? I said lateral movement, which by the way is demonstrated in both of your crayon renderings. Gravity pulls objects in one direction. Down. Not sideways. Also the landing spot of these girders is fact documented by FEMA, not based on "belief".



https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch7.pdf
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
screw it. just to make you look a fool. ill give it a shot


YOUR conspiracy is how a girder went horizontally but you have no proof of a horizontal direction.. its just what you beleive
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reality is..
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why
because that || steel girder was lodged into another building and the impact path in the other building reveals the angel of entry was not horizontal.. yep thats a real physics thing
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also.. guess what.. theres a video of it

bet you wish you done your research before you came to your flawed no evidence conspiracy theory.



Good job on your drawings! Congratulation. But the point is...

Girders and beams don't do that without force causing them to do that. Gravity pulls down, not sideways. The girders and beams should have fallen right with the rest of the building, into the building's own footprint. But the footprint fall is more proof of the demolition that was used to push the girders and beams so far away from the building proper. Buildings can't be built to perfectly fall into their own footprint at near free fall speeds without knowing well ahead of time what forces will act on them... except with demolition.

Or do you have the engineers and designers that can show this and prove it?

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legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
screw it. just to make you look a fool. ill give it a shot


YOUR conspiracy is how a girder went horizontally but you have no proof of a horizontal direction.. its just what you beleive
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why
because that || steel girder was lodged into another building and the impact path in the other building reveals the angel of entry was not horizontal.. yep thats a real physics thing
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also.. guess what.. theres a video of it

bet you wish you done your research before you came to your flawed no evidence conspiracy theory.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
first you have to grasp reality. before you can grasp physics.
plus even if someone explained it to you in 10 different ways, each only differing in the tone of the words.
you would still be ignorant and ignore it and come up with an excuse to not believe it.



I know. It's difficult to acknowledge that you have been simply believing, when you should have been studying. We all make mistakes some of the time. Don't take it so hard.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
first you have to grasp reality. before you can grasp physics.
plus even if someone explained it to you in 10 different ways, each only differing in the tone of the words.
you would still be ignorant and ignore it and come up with an excuse to not believe it.

legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
As in there is no way to get such a massive object moving such lateral distances in such a short period of time without the use of explosives.

your 2 flaws.. that i already pointed out to you
you beleive that it had to be moving in a lateral/horizontal direction..

i told you before the video thumbnail was just a subliminal message..
watch the whole video.. he doesnt even say which floor the beam come from..
you just believe it must have come from a bottom floor due to the thumbnail.

atleast put your idea aside.. research independently and without bias.. and then check if the actual facts match your opinion

You and Spendy seem to like playing word games.

600 feet away from the place the building was before it fell... do you think the beams teleported there?

Not only does he not know which floor the beams came from, but he SAID he doesn't know this. So, he showed what it would be like no matter which level the beam came from.

In simple language, tell us, how did the beams get moved 2 football fields away? Gravity pulls downward. It doesn't pull sideways.

Cool

EDIT: Note that the towers were 208 feet wide on each side. But the beams moved 3 times that far away from the towers. Even if the beams were the width of the towers, themselves, that's at least 3 times the the width of the Towers the beams had to fly sideways. What can cause that in simple crashing down?
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
As in there is no way to get such a massive object moving such lateral distances in such a short period of time without the use of explosives.

your 2 flaws.. that i already pointed out to you
you beleive that it had to be moving in a lateral/horizontal direction..

i told you before the video thumbnail was just a subliminal message..
watch the whole video.. he doesnt even say which floor the beam come from..
you just believe it must have come from a bottom floor due to the thumbnail.

atleast put your idea aside.. research independently and without bias.. and then check if the actual facts match your opinion
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
"velocities that require" what?

Explosive force?

That's good for a laugh. There's really no meaning to the term, is there? There's just watts, joules, ways of measuring or calculating energy.

Gravity is 32 ft/sec^2.

That adds up pretty fast.

How does a bullet ricochet?

As in there is no way to get such a massive object moving such lateral distances in such a short period of time without the use of explosives. Gravity pulls downward, not sideways. Are you suggesting gravity pulled multi-ton girders 500 feet laterally?

Bullets use explosive force...
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
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Well...they HAVE the force of gravity which is enormous. The total energy of the fall of each of the towers was several percent of the joules of energy in an atomic bomb.

This was easily seen by the large amounts of concrete turned back into powder.

However to move an object sideways does not take a lot of energy to move sideways 500 feet in 10 seconds is 50 fps, to impart 50 fps in 1 second is no big deal.

At construction sites its pretty common to see something big and heavy like a bridge beam hanging from a crane and one guy rotating it sideways with his hands.


Tell me, how does gravity send multi-ton steel girders 500 feet in a lateral direction at velocities that require explosive force?
"velocities that require" what?

Explosive force?

That's good for a laugh. There's really no meaning to the term, is there? There's just watts, joules, ways of measuring or calculating energy.

Gravity is 32 ft/sec^2.

That adds up pretty fast.

How does a bullet ricochet?
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
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Well...they HAVE the force of gravity which is enormous. The total energy of the fall of each of the towers was several percent of the joules of energy in an atomic bomb.

This was easily seen by the large amounts of concrete turned back into powder.

However to move an object sideways does not take a lot of energy to move sideways 500 feet in 10 seconds is 50 fps, to impart 50 fps in 1 second is no big deal.

At construction sites its pretty common to see something big and heavy like a bridge beam hanging from a crane and one guy rotating it sideways with his hands.


Tell me, how does gravity send multi-ton steel girders 500 feet in a lateral direction at velocities that require explosive force?
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373

... and then tossing it through the air, sideways, to land a couple of football fields away. Yep, done all the time, right?

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You tried arguing this same item with me two years ago, I explained and provided the formulas and derivations. it was simple, textbook 8th grade physics. You didn't do too well. Remember that?

Actually, I remember that the textbooks stuff you used wasn't applicable to the Towers.

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legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
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Well...they HAVE the force of gravity which is enormous. The total energy of the fall of each of the towers was several percent of the joules of energy in an atomic bomb.

This was easily seen by the large amounts of concrete turned back into powder.

However to move an object sideways does not take a lot of energy to move sideways 500 feet in 10 seconds is 50 fps, to impart 50 fps in 1 second is no big deal.

At construction sites its pretty common to see something big and heavy like a bridge beam hanging from a crane and one guy rotating it sideways with his hands.

... and then tossing it through the air, sideways, to land a couple of football fields away. Yep, done all the time, right?

Cool
You tried arguing this same item with me two years ago, I explained and provided the formulas and derivations. it was simple, textbook 8th grade physics. You didn't do too well. Remember that?
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
......
Well...they HAVE the force of gravity which is enormous. The total energy of the fall of each of the towers was several percent of the joules of energy in an atomic bomb.

This was easily seen by the large amounts of concrete turned back into powder.

However to move an object sideways does not take a lot of energy to move sideways 500 feet in 10 seconds is 50 fps, to impart 50 fps in 1 second is no big deal.

At construction sites its pretty common to see something big and heavy like a bridge beam hanging from a crane and one guy rotating it sideways with his hands.

... and then tossing it through the air, sideways, to land a couple of football fields away. Yep, done all the time, right?

Cool
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
......
Well...they HAVE the force of gravity which is enormous. The total energy of the fall of each of the towers was several percent of the joules of energy in an atomic bomb.

This was easily seen by the large amounts of concrete turned back into powder.

However to move an object sideways does not take a lot of energy to move sideways 500 feet in 10 seconds is 50 fps, to impart 50 fps in 1 second is no big deal.

At construction sites its pretty common to see something big and heavy like a bridge beam hanging from a crane and one guy rotating it sideways with his hands.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
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the real funny thing i find with conspiracy theorists is
when there is no big word changing event. they like to cause a conspiracy that the world should be in panic and utopia is impossible..
when there actually is a world changing event. they like to invent a conspiracy that the world is actually utopia and the event is fake.

seems like there is no pleasing these people. no matter if something is happening or not.
i bet they still think that all the fire fighters of 9-11 are still alive but living on an island with elvis too

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one last thing about explosives used in demolition
architects know and design buildings to fall in on themselves .. thats how they are built. they are not designed to fall sideways like trees being lumbered. regulations see to that because in huge dense area's they dont want earthquakes or planes causing buildings to tople sideways like a path of dominos.
so safety regulations ensure building design have it that if the columns defect. it crumbles DOWN.

the next part is if a column is not defected due to earthquake, being struck by large object. and they plan to take it down then they only use enough explosives to defect the columns. they would not load it with enough explosives to send shrapnil 2 football fields away. again safety regs are involved... and common sense

lastly if there were explosives involved and enough to actually cause the force of a 2 footbal field velocity at the stupid low floor level the video trues to subliminal suggest. the "bang bang bang bang" would be HUGE
much more apparent and more visable than normal controlled demolition

there was not standard demolition explosive bang bang bang sounds nor extreme bang bang bang bang sounds
so that rules out both posibilities of explosives.

all that is left is the stupid subliminal propaganda that the girder came from a low level floor..
again common sense suggests other wise. but it is obvious that people dont want to admit the obvious and instead want to set up/suggest that it wasnt from near the 90th floor but more likely from the first floor.. just to push their conspiracy

Scratched your own itch, didn't you! Now get out into the real world and find out what is real.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
Please don't duck and dodge the subject just answer.

Why would anyone BOTH blow up and building and ram a plane into it?
....This is basic math and physics here, not theorizing, not postulating, not debate, scientific fact....

No, it's not "basic math and physics."

I went through this with Badecker 2 years ago, using 8th grade math and physics, and disproved every single one of the math and physics arguments. No college level statics or dynamics. No computer modeling. That's how ridiculously bad the arguments actually are.

That leaves BELIEF, which is a different matter. But I do find it somewhat comical, ... Okay, next time I go hunting, I'll be sure to spear the deer before I shoot it.

Next time I change a tire, I'll put the car up on a lift, then get out the jack stand and crank that tire up.

And of course, next time I derive a math or engineering proof, I'll first check with YouTube to be sure it's right.
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