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You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?

Sure. It's very simple.

If one of the parties in the escrow has not been acting in good faith, they cancel the whole thing, which means returning  the BTC to the market.

A completely legitimate decision.

Again, this is not a mechanical process, no matter how much you try to represent it as such.



You clearly don't understand how an escrow works.

There are terms. If those terms are met, the terms are met.

It's very simple. Like I said, it's really easy for smart people to all of a sudden have clouded thinking when they stand to lose money.

There really is no opinion to he had here. We are dealing in plain facts.  Bittrex can't break the terms of the agreement because of facts outside of the agreement have come to light.

We are dealing in facts here. There is no disputing them. It's black and white if you like it or not.

No, that's no how an escrow works.  You're simply wrong.

It's not a mechanical process.  It wasn't the first time you said it, and it's still not.



Contracts are made to be pretty mechanical in nature. That is why they are there.

You thinking that Bittrex can just step in and say "nope, were not honoring the contract" is foolish at best.
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Let's say you're a fan of Magic The Gathering, like all crypto people since Jed.

Bob tells you they have a MTG card to sell you.

You say, ok, let's do this deal with an escrow.

Both of you agree.

You send the escrow the money for the MTG card.

Bob delivers the card, when suddenly....

Alice shows up and says the card is stolen.

There's an investigation and it turns out Bob stole the card.

The escrow in that situation is under no obligation to release payment to Bob.

Bob has not been acting in good faith, so the escrow is completely justified in returning the money to you.



Yes, but your analogy does not hold up here. Im sorry you lost money, as did I, but you are adding things into a very simple agreement.

As much as you would like to see this guy not get the BTC, he has his ass completely covered, and their is nothing that Bittrex can do here.
sr. member
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electroneum.com

You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?

Sure. It's very simple.

If one of the parties in the escrow has not been acting in good faith, they cancel the whole thing, which means returning  the BTC to the market.

A completely legitimate decision.

Again, this is not a mechanical process, no matter how much you try to represent it as such.



You clearly don't understand how an escrow works.

There are terms. If those terms are met, the terms are met.

It's very simple. Like I said, it's really easy for smart people to all of a sudden have clouded thinking when they stand to lose money.

There really is no opinion to he had here. We are dealing in plain facts.  Bittrex can't break the terms of the agreement because of facts outside of the agreement have come to light.

We are dealing in facts here. There is no disputing them. It's black and white if you like it or not.
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Its more like if they do that its a breach of contract and the dev stands to make way more off a lawsuit.  If those were the terms, those 3 boxes, and their all check....  terms met.  If the community wanted it different then you should of not paid or banded together to ask for change in the terms early on.  What I really don't get is if you pick tens coin in the altcoin section your going to lose money on 8-9 of them one way or another.  Giving money up front to produce a coin led people to believe that would change things how?  The initial terms are met for this coin on most all crap coins.... 
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It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so. 

Sorry about that.





Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either


Bittrex can not give him the coins.  That remains an option.  They can refund the BTC to the market.

Still an option, always has been. 

This isn't some mechanical process.




You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?
well if bittrex gives them the coins and they disappear it will be very bad for bittrex.nearly 175k US worth of btc.it aint going to fly under the radar.i can see this end really bad for everyone.
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Im just happy that Im fairly confident that I will recoup my losses from cluster from Neoscoin and then some.

Thank god I invested much more heavily into that!
sr. member
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It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so. 

Sorry about that.





Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either


Bittrex can not give him the coins.  That remains an option.  They can refund the BTC to the market.

Still an option, always has been. 

This isn't some mechanical process.




You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?
legendary
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It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

Yeah well but its obvious that the scammers are using Bittrex reputation to make money from.. many wouldn't have invested if the IPO was on c-cex or ...

I totally agree, but isnt' that because we all know they are going to follow the terms of the agreement?

The terms should have had something about the coin operating as they said it would.

Not just a blockchain, wallet, etc.

That is what sucks here



+1 ... yup...

you literally buy hot air...
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It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so. 

Sorry about that.





Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
electroneum.com
It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

Yeah well but its obvious that the scammers are using Bittrex reputation to make money from.. many wouldn't have invested if the IPO was on c-cex or ...

I totally agree, but isnt' that because we all know they are going to follow the terms of the agreement?

The terms should have had something about the coin operating as they said it would.

Not just a blockchain, wallet, etc.

That is what sucks here

legendary
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It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

Yeah well but its obvious that the scammers are using Bittrex reputation to make money from.. many wouldn't have invested if the IPO was on c-cex or ...
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
electroneum.com
It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL
legendary
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So I assume still no updates.. No PoD.. No Evidence "Proof of Development" regarding a Video of the Dev "testing" etc ?

Clouds are getting darker and darker...

Pre-FUD (not finally proven yet):

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and if you refund all 12 will still want to ICO with you
haha
I did nazi dat coming
<•bittrex-richie> void_username: maybe... maybe not... its hard to predict... i do know that a lot of the bigger players want us to hold up our end of the agreement


Pressure from the big players is all it takes, just like IRL... a lot of money at stake, money going directly into big pockets to fatten the load. I wonder who those big players are.

Two things are confirmed:

A crook dev: All the evidence is there, ips, accounts, ICO_DUDE aka "dev" rooting for the dev and with an active offer to buy more accounts. Can't provide proof of development, can't tweet from "his" twitter. Doesn't post on any thread but magically posts to his defense on the thread were it is confirmed to the same ips. etc etc etc. You didn't deliver anything, you won't lose anything. why do you insist on getting the btc?

ICO buyers: Yes it is our fault to buy the coins on a reputable exchange after doing our research (or not), thinking they wouldn't deal with scammers and them having more resources to filter what coins they list. Yes, but the USE fiasco happened. That is new evidence.

There is no legal agreement. This is down to ethics and what is morally right; hurting the very people that support you and helping a criminal get away with it while you still take your profits, or not.
It is common knowledge that there is indirectly a lot or money to be made from scammers and scammed victims, just like attorneys, there is a lot to be made from defending criminals by playing the system.
Facilitating scams is profitable, no doubt; hey! you're not breaking any laws apparently.

ICO buyers took the usual risks but had no way of knowing who excatly they were dealing with if the USE scam had not happened the same day on your very exchange. It is new concrete evidence, give it to the red cross or to your favorite charity or destroy the coins, I don't care. But do not give this crook more tools to keep on screwing the industry that feeds your "side project"
sr. member
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It's nice to see everyone stopped placing the blame on Bittrex.

That was totally unfair as hell

No kidding, It was really starting to piss me off.

They were just doing their jobs, correctly I might add.

On top of that it was taking the focus away from the person we should really be going after, The Cluster Coin DeV!!


FUCK YOU ASSHOLE BTW, you piece of shit scumbag!!!
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It's nice to see everyone stopped placing the blame on Bittrex.

That was totally unfair as hell
legendary
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OMG the weirdos are really coming out of the woodwork now lol

This is getting good

(gets popcorn)

Bittrex CLSTR faq - https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203082940

sr. member
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OMG the weirdos are really coming out of the woodwork now lol

This is getting good

(gets popcorn)
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Time is Money - Benjamin Franklin
imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money Cheesy
Here's the ringer - If btc is legal money, what CLSTR and bittrex are doing is purely illegal. Until the JOBS Act III is promulgated, there is no grounds for collecting money for an IPO.


complete nonsense LOL Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Maybe adding more smileys will help with your idiotic ness or lack of being able to google:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579532251627028512

The obvious fact being "if btc being a legal tender" something I am unclear on.

No it is not considered money in the us. It is considered and asset, and usually viewed and a "token"
So there you go. I am not completely aware of how a token would work in terms of raising money but my view is people should be aware of the rule:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chancebarnett/2013/10/23/sec-jobs-act-title-iii-investment-being-democratized-moving-online/

provides a better clarification on raising money via crowd funding (ICO).
sr. member
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It is your fault, not Bittrex

I would lost total faith in Bittrex if they didn't release the money if the terms are met

"Its your fault", "We were only the escrow service" or "Investors should have done thier homework" is not a good defense against Conspiracy to Defraud, Wire Fraud and Racketeering charges.


This is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

Where do you people come from

I'm actually shocked you could spell all those words
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