Topic: [UNMODERATED] CLUSTERCOIN Topic [OPEN DISCUSSION] - page 6. (Read 7448 times)
HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io
check here, 3 accounts has same IP https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8516436
IT IS A FUCKING SCAM
IT IS A FUCKING SCAM
If Bittrex allow this to go through it will be the last straw for me. Will pull all funds out for good.
Luckily I did not buy, I was just checking this coin for considering a pool to be set up and stumbled over SO many things that I needed to open this topic...
And I STILL believe that Bittrex is not "bad" - They are just "being raped and used" as a tool - but they will have to do "something" in the future to prevent such a fiasco like with Usecoin...
sadly bittrex deleted SIS that had no ipo/premine yet scams still go on there ;x
i still believe bittrex guys are decent but some of this moves i dont understand
its a scam. the dev keeps deleing all evidence that's all. bittrex should figure it out if not, i'm done there!!
If Bittrex allow this to go through it will be the last straw for me. Will pull all funds out for good.
Luckily I did not buy, I was just checking this coin for considering a pool to be set up and stumbled over SO many things that I needed to open this topic...
And I STILL believe that Bittrex is not "bad" - They are just "being raped and used" as a tool - but they will have to do "something" in the future to prevent such a fiasco like with Usecoin...
sadly bittrex deleted SIS that had no ipo/premine yet scams still go on there ;x
i still believe bittrex guys are decent but some of this moves i dont understand
there is no logical explanation to sell your ipo coin lower price. no sense, no logic.
i think that bittrex is behind of ipo scene. i bought icebergcoin and clustercoin. so i know very well these periods. and i am sure that something in market is not normal, such as sell low after ipo.
so typical ipo process is like that:
1) launch or host an ipo coin
2) let people buy them
3) if not enough people buy them, bittrex will buy. bittrex has nothing to lose as i ll explain in step 4.
4) when ipo period ends, bittrex dumps their coins to people that willing to buy lower. so bittrex makes 2 times profit. 1 from % fees, 2 from early coin buys with ghost btcs to dump coins for real btc
5) bittrex profits, dev profits, investors lose.
6) bittrex host an another ico.
i think that bittrex is behind of ipo scene. i bought icebergcoin and clustercoin. so i know very well these periods. and i am sure that something in market is not normal, such as sell low after ipo.
so typical ipo process is like that:
1) launch or host an ipo coin
2) let people buy them
3) if not enough people buy them, bittrex will buy. bittrex has nothing to lose as i ll explain in step 4.
4) when ipo period ends, bittrex dumps their coins to people that willing to buy lower. so bittrex makes 2 times profit. 1 from % fees, 2 from early coin buys with ghost btcs to dump coins for real btc
5) bittrex profits, dev profits, investors lose.
6) bittrex host an another ico.
Frankly, ICOs are just too risky for anyone but the devs. They put exchanges at legal risk, and they're financial black holes for most investors. The community as a whole would be better off without them. The benefits are just too limited.
The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf
Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
Bittrex "doing the right thing" is following their terms of the contract.
Sending the info on this situation to www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint would be a good thing, they can explain to you that they are FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!
Hey, I lost over a grand on this deal, but you are aiming your anger at the wrong party, out of emotion, but you are wrong.
Bittrex would BE BREAKING THE LAW if they break the terms of the contract.
I know you are angry, but try to think rational here.
I wish to god you were correct, but you are not.
Please use this energy from you anger to try to find some proof that the asshole clustercoin dev broke the contract.
That would be useful and save us all a lot of money. But asking Bittrex to break the law is not going to get us anywhere.
Sorry you lost so much money, as did I, but please direct you energy in the correct way!! This is the only thing that will help the situation!!
Guys, get ahold of yourselfs
IF you had any proof at all this would all be over and Bittrex wouldn't have to worry about the contract.
You are all blinded by dollarsigns in you eye. Can't see the clustercoin guy covered his tracks and we fell for it, don't be mad a Bittrex for following the law. Be mad at yourselves for not reading the terms before throwing your BTC at something without doing the proper research.
An exchange is not about to commit a felony to make up for your inability to read a contract.
These guys just want their money back is all. It's understandable, but if Bittrex could do something they would. The dev is going to win this one. Hes going to get his BTC and we all just have to be more careful from now on is all. Lesson learned.
The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf
Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
Bittrex "doing the right thing" is following their terms of the contract.
Sending the info on this situation to www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint would be a good thing, they can explain to you that they are FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!
Hey, I lost over a grand on this deal, but you are aiming your anger at the wrong party, out of emotion, but you are wrong.
Bittrex would BE BREAKING THE LAW if they break the terms of the contract.
I know you are angry, but try to think rational here.
I wish to god you were correct, but you are not.
Please use this energy from you anger to try to find some proof that the asshole clustercoin dev broke the contract.
That would be useful and save us all a lot of money. But asking Bittrex to break the law is not going to get us anywhere.
Sorry you lost so much money, as did I, but please direct you energy in the correct way!! This is the only thing that will help the situation!!
Guys, get ahold of yourselfs
IF you had any proof at all this would all be over and Bittrex wouldn't have to worry about the contract.
You are all blinded by dollarsigns in you eye. Can't see the clustercoin guy covered his tracks and we fell for it, don't be mad a Bittrex for following the law. Be mad at yourselves for not reading the terms before throwing your BTC at something without doing the proper research.
An exchange is not about to commit a felony to make up for your inability to read a contract.
The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf
Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
Bittrex "doing the right thing" is following their terms of the contract.
Sending the info on this situation to www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint would be a good thing, they can explain to you that they are FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!
Hey, I lost over a grand on this deal, but you are aiming your anger at the wrong party, out of emotion, but you are wrong.
Bittrex would BE BREAKING THE LAW if they break the terms of the contract.
I know you are angry, but try to think rational here.
I wish to god you were correct, but you are not.
Please use this energy from you anger to try to find some proof that the asshole clustercoin dev broke the contract.
That would be useful and save us all a lot of money. But asking Bittrex to break the law is not going to get us anywhere.
Sorry you lost so much money, as did I, but please direct you energy in the correct way!! This is the only thing that will help the situation!!
REWARD FOR PERSONAL INFO DEV!!!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/battention-clsrt-its-scam-reward-for-real-personal-info-devb-754830
The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf
Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
EDIT: Submitting a complaint takes only a few minutes.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8516436
Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.
R.
Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.
HERE ARE 100% PROOFS NOW
If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.
Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.
R.
Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.
HERE ARE 100% PROOFS NOW
Please check this thread!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.20
In this thread, you would find two confirmed ico scam dev-USE AND CRYSTAL. One possible scam dev-cluster.
And several other accounts in the same pattern. They are all created, stopped posting and are active again in the same period.
They all posted in the same giveaway thread, talked about nothing about altcoin and technique and then suddenly created an altcoin!!
Bittrex said:
* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
Not just created in a one month period. How many accounts were created in that period, stopped posting in December 2013 and then active again in May 2014??
How many accounts were part of giveaways and also devs of ico coins? And what's the possibility of three ico devs(two of them are confirmed scammers) appeared in the same thread and talked about philosophy? Let alone only several people were in this thread and there were at least another three accounts in the same pattern.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.20
In this thread, you would find two confirmed ico scam dev-USE AND CRYSTAL. One possible scam dev-cluster.
And several other accounts in the same pattern. They are all created, stopped posting and are active again in the same period.
They all posted in the same giveaway thread, talked about nothing about altcoin and technique and then suddenly created an altcoin!!
Bittrex said:
* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
Not just created in a one month period. How many accounts were created in that period, stopped posting in December 2013 and then active again in May 2014??
How many accounts were part of giveaways and also devs of ico coins? And what's the possibility of three ico devs(two of them are confirmed scammers) appeared in the same thread and talked about philosophy? Let alone only several people were in this thread and there were at least another three accounts in the same pattern.
DEV, many people wrote that killig you in the future
can you answer about your bitcointalk account?
can you answer about your bitcointalk account?
its SCAM SCAM SCAM! trexx stop trading! DEV DELETE all message!
guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)
http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi
DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!
Guys - I have not lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception
guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)
http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi
DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!
Guys - I have not lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception
i'm trying but that dev is just spending 100% of his time deleting posts. i hope he goes to bed soon so i can litter his thread with scam-warnings. I too haven't bought or lost anything, but i'm real fucking tired of these fuckers pulling bernie madoff's on us... FUCK THIS SHIT!!! FIGHT BACK!!!
and how the hell do we get bittrex to see the damn light, it's fucking bright as the sun here, omg!??!
The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".
You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/willybtc-131733
Another account register in the same month, inactive until May 2014.
I guess I just stop another scam.
This account was also in that thread!!! Post in the same pattern!!!!
Another account register in the same month, inactive until May 2014.
I guess I just stop another scam.
This account was also in that thread!!! Post in the same pattern!!!!
its SCAM SCAM SCAM! trexx stop trading! DEV DELETE all message!
guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)
http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi
DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!
Guys - I have not lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception
guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)
http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi
DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!
Guys - I have not lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception
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