Topic: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative - page 153. (Read 433405 times)

I dont think posting fake code / whitepaper could ever be a "great move" in any situation.

I agree, and also add that people have become so accustomed to scammy untrustworthy behaviour they simply don't know how to deal with genuine projects in the alt coin community.....of which there are many. Plus it also reflects on som elf the accusers cause they are so scammy themselves they project that on others assuming everyone are scumbags like themselves.

I'm not suggesting people aren't cautious but there IS a middle ground where people don't assume everyone is out to scam them and actually are creating awesome things. Alt community is Bi Polar, they either hype and believe a new coin will end world hunger or that a coin is made my Satan to kill us all.....I miss the middle ground in discussions.....hard to find.

But he showed a lot of so called experts were in fact scammy FUDers....you should be calling out them not a John Connor for exposing them....Personally I thought it was a great move. I would do something similar in his position if I had thought of it.

I think there is a reason but it involves some empathy in order to logically understand.

We know he has been working on it for a long time, a year prior to launch.  Personally, I think he would have waited even longer if there wasn't a modicum of excitement and/or a need to start testing his code with an operating blockchain in real time.  Keep in mind, a ton of basic work went into his project before he even revealed that ZT was a thing...months.

Further, considering the more or less common knowledge that he is a 20 year vet within the P2P field, the decision to embark on this project as a full time job probably was made with much consideration.  Involved in that consideration was a knowledge of what the altcoin community is like.  Think about it for a second.  This is a terrible community.  Scams are everywhere, collaboration is close to 'not so much', scam devs are copying code and releasing new coins with promises in order to get the first 'spike pump' and then leave, and most of the threads in the altcoin community are peppered with inane BS that no sane person would tolerate in a normal social forum.

Chances are, he is very well aware of how toxic some aspects of the altcoin community are and has every intention of releasing material...but if it isn't ready then it isn't ready.  Further, providing misinformation, or mystery, is potentially a valid way to gain information on the community that he is working in tandem with.  I use the phrase 'in tandem' very loosely because the interaction is necessary but there is no real collaboration between devs and speculators.  It is an important distinction to make...

 Jump into IRC and communicate with him - he talks every day.

If he says the white paper is coming with actual math (he posted a paragraph a few days ago) then it is coming.  He started this project wanting no hype and went months without it.  Very productive months.

It sounds fishy because you are used to a crypto alt scene that is fishy - I'm sure he thinks the same thing.  The thing is, he has delivered everything he has promised and then some.  Some of you seem to forget that he just released the bitstream for FPGA...do you have any idea what that means and how many other devs have done that (None)?

Be patient and see what happens...

Edit to add - I like the VNL community and aspects of other communities...but to be honest, there is no stopping people from muscling their internet posts.  Tis the reason why I referred to it as terrible.  Valid disclaimer and one that should be met with reflection rather than indignation...

It all sounds fishy to me...  if and when the true code gets revealed, I think I'll jump in on this project, until then I will just sit on the sidelines and be skeptical.

hmmmm. well its his call, he is the dev, but seems foolish to post fake code, because then you have a 100% chance of bringing FUD to your doorstep.  

I agree it's pretty impressive.
But in my opinion he shouldn't be trying to put out fire with fire. He's clearly better at coding than dealing with the community.

If he's just one person, with the speed he pumps out lines of code, he's truly a genius in my opinion; but sometimes he does things I don't understand, like that.

I believe his reasoning was that he would get a lot of devs to attack him because of obvious flaws and then when the real paper and code were released, they'd have to really look into it.

why would a dev post a fake whitepaper / code? fudding his own project? its been bothering me since i read that.

No, john was referring to the zerotime test code and fake whitepaper for zerotime, not the committed code that has been open sourced and able to be compiled for some time.

But there weren't 500 competing internets! I do get your point though. I have faith.

Videlicet was referring at that time to the code that John Connor had uploaded to github.  John later revealed that it was 'fake' code designed to throw off haters or whatever.

So, videlicet was correct about the code that he saw.  But it turned out that it wasn't the actual code of the coin.  Just a trick to throw off haters/catch people out/waste the time of code reviewers.

It took the internet fifty years from invention to economic/social integration (and it changed the landscape considerably).

In crypto terms, we still have a few weeks...

Clearly the success of altcoins no longer indicates elegance of coding or functionality. Just a select few chosen by crypto gangsters to have a high marketcap.

I don't think Videlicet is even claiming what you think he is.

Either way, Poloniex did a code review of Vanillacoin and decided lowering the required confirmations to 1 was secure as it says in my signature.  Poloniex requires 6 confirmations for Peercoin to confirm.  The only other coin Poloniex confirms in 1 confirmation is Bitcoin.

You can test this by sending PPC and VNL to Poloniex or by looking at their API here: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnCurrencies

You'll see "minConf":6, for PPC and "minConf":1, for VNL.


For the very technical, everything is open source:

https://github.com/john-connor/vanillacoin

https://github.com/ppcoin/ppcoin

"The code is a complete rewrite of bitcoin and peercoin" so it is complete rewrite or just copy and paste in C++??  

A shame -- It would have been great if wallet code could finally practically be compiled on and for these platforms.  Then we wouldn't have the problem where iOS users don't know what code they're running.

Anyway, I hope it gets corrected soon then 

No that is not the official twitter. 

The truth is that it can be compiled for any of those platforms but I really doubt anyone is too worried about compiling the code on their xbox. 

 

Sorry, I don't want to expose my IP by going on IRC.

I think it's most likely that these particular claims of vanillanewsbits are mistaken.  It should be clarified whether or not this is an official VanillaCoin account (i.e. whether it is supported by the dev or not) and corrections made if so.

To clarify, I'm taking about this part:

The code is a complete rewrite of bitcoin and peercoin.  It is not a clone like the VAST majority of cryptocurrencies.

Hop on IRC if you want to try to get more in depth.