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December 02, 2024, 01:21:47 PM
#67
I expect that OP should be making appeal in other for him to have an increased chances of getting his account unbanned, instead he is making things more complicated by engaging in making unnecessary argument about local board and political affairs which has nothing to even do about the reason his account was banned
You are completely wrong.
The issues I raise here are directly related to my latest (already third) ban on BTT due to my political views, which one local Ukrainian local moderator really doesn't like.
At the same time, I understand perfectly well that even if our administrators consider my ban unlawful, I personally will gain almost nothing from this in terms of reducing the terms of this unfair ban (this is already the third time).

And that is exactly why I would really like to hear an official response and official BTT position on an important question that was not even formulated here by me:
It is even their official policy to ban pro-russian posts and users after the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. So far it is not the official policy of btt to ban pro-russian posts and users but unofficially? I dunno.

I still don't understand if you really recognized here that with the way of the community engagement over this thread in support or against you will determine or go a long way over getting you unbanned or not.
Yes, I understand that perfectly well.
And have you realized yet that those of our users who have known me for many years have already expressed their opinion?
This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying.
Why then do many respected members of the Russian section believe that you banned me unfairly and for my political views?
They are all lying too and you are the only one telling the truth? Roll Eyes
(unfortunately, Xal0lex couldn't even respond to this...)

And many users in the English locale (of those who have not yet forgotten how to think independently), as I see, are also against the arbitrariness of local moderators and the banning of users for political reasons.
And what do you think about this?

Is he unbanned?
No.
Considering the management of the Russian section by Ukrainian moderators - this is completely without a chance, as I have long understood.

OP, write back, did you write to the admin? Does the admin even respond? People also want to know whether the admin responds to requests at all or is silent
No, I haven't written to our admins yet.
And I'm still wondering if I should do it?
And will even our admins be able to do something about our Ukrainian Nazis (like Xal0lex), who are currently taking over our crypto forum?

Everyone advises to write to the admin. What's the point of writing to the admin if the admin doesn't respond? Stop giving empty advice
I have exactly the same question now: is there any point in writing to the admin in my situation?
Our Ukrainian moderator Xal0lex has banned me here for my political views for the third time already.
Our administration clearly encourages the Nazi views of Xal0lex.
And... should I stay here any longer?

Before BTT, I was on another crypto forum for quite a long time.
In 2018, I got bored there and switched to BTT.
But, since BTT has now become a breeding ground for political ideas of Ukrainian Nazis (with the silent support of our admins), then perhaps I should now move to some other crypto-forum, where freedom of speech has not yet become an empty phrase? Roll Eyes
What do you think?
(unlike Xal0lex, I do not earn a single cent on this forum from our fellow cryptons)
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December 02, 2024, 11:17:58 AM
#66
Is he unbanned?

OP, write back, did you write to the admin? Does the admin even respond? People also want to know whether the admin responds to requests at all or is silent

If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.
Everyone advises to write to the admin. What's the point of writing to the admin if the admin doesn't respond? Stop giving empty advices
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November 26, 2024, 12:31:25 PM
#65
I expect that OP should be making appeal in other for him to have an increased chances of getting his account unbanned, instead he is making things more complicated by engaging in making unnecessary argument about local board and political affairs which has nothing to even do about the reason his account was banned, trolling, spamming and posting unethical contents could make you get banned, i still don't understand if you really recognized here that with the way of the community engagement over this thread in support or against you will determine or go a long way over getting you unbanned or not.
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November 26, 2024, 09:08:57 AM
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Got it. If I were to call you a mentally disabled negative IQ shitposter who can't read or understand anything, that is not a personal attack.
Welcome to the Russian section "Politics"!
There, no one will be surprised by this.
But here, this is just another trolling on your part.

Update for suchmoon:
You have no problem translating from Russian, do you?

Then here are some examples of how pro-Ukrainian participants address their opponents in the Russian section "Politics":
гpeбeнь, тeбe блaгoдapя xyйлy, твoeмy cлaбoмy xapaктepy и пaтoлoгиям мoзгa, ocтaлacь дeлaть тoлькo oднo  Wink
И этo плacтикy  Cheesy

Ecть тaкoй тип людeй, кoтopым нyжнo вcё вpeмя нaпpягaть, я тaк пoнимaю oни тaким oбpaзoм кoмпeнcиpyют cвoи кoмплeкcы нeпoлнoцeннocти и пытaютcя oбpaтить нa ceбя внимaниe, ты и xyйлo oтнocитecь к этoмy типy, oбычнo иx нaзывaют чмoшники Wink и этo пpи тoм чтo в cлyчae пpимeнeния ЯO, кoнкpeтнo ты cдoxнeшь в тeчeниe пapы cyтoк в cтpaшныx cyдopoгax в пoдвaлe пoд лaxтoй в oкpyжeнии тaкoй жe шyшapы Cheesy

Hopмaльнo тaк oтpocлa. Grin 35 -40 км в жoпy paшки зacyнyли зa 6 днeй. Шмapкaч1979 этo пoкa нe ocoзнaл, кaк кaк пpивык к гpyпoвyxe, кoгдa oн вo вce cвoи дыpки пpинимaeт, a нe тoлькo в cвoй зaдний пpoxoд, вoт oн и интepecyeтcя кoгдa oнa eщё oтpacтёт.
Compared to this, your example of personal attack above is just child's play Grin
But, as I already wrote, in the Russian section "Politics" this is normal. And Xal0lex won't ban you for this.
If, of course, you support Ukraine Wink
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November 26, 2024, 08:54:54 AM
#63
Did you report or complain in Meta before engaging in your vigilante attacks against the user who you think was spamming, or any other users that you're now complaining about?
As I explained to you above, I am not attacking the user Alik Bahshi.
Despite his spamming in the Russian "Politics" section, I do not have any issues with him that would require me to file a complaint against him.

Got it. If I were to call you a mentally disabled negative IQ shitposter who can't read or understand anything, that is not a personal attack.
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November 26, 2024, 04:40:37 AM
#62
You can try PM them from this account directing them to this thread. They may or may not respond but it doesn't hurt to try. Worst case scenario is there's 30 days left on your ban.
Thank you very much!
I'll try to write to the admins from this account.
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November 26, 2024, 04:31:26 AM
#61
If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.
Thank you very much for your advice!
But... now I have even more questions:
1) I can't write "Personal Messages" to our admins under my Snork1979 account, because he is banned and I can't write even Personal Messages to anyone from him.
2) I believe that when receiving Personal Messages from my account "Newbie", our Administrators will simply delete it as spam, without even reading it.
3) I can't write in any other topics of our forum, except for "Meta", under my new account, because our local moderator Xal0lex will gladly ban me right there "for violating the forum rules".

A question for you, as a Global Moderator, who has been on our forum for over 11 years: what practices are adopted on our forum for appealing against unlawful actions of local moderators, as in my case? How exactly should I contact our Administrators? (and in what way?)



Meta or contact with the admins is the way to go. You can try PM them from this account directing them to this thread. They may or may not respond but it doesn't hurt to try. Worst case scenario is there's 30 days left on your ban.
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November 25, 2024, 11:01:46 PM
#60
Did you report or complain in Meta before engaging in your vigilante attacks against the user who you think was spamming, or any other users that you're now complaining about?
As I explained to you above, I am not attacking the user Alik Bahshi.
Despite his spamming in the Russian "Politics" section, I do not have any issues with him that would require me to file a complaint against him.
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November 25, 2024, 06:13:28 PM
#59
It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?
Yes, that's exactly what I did here.
Perhaps it's too hard for you to read, and although understand what you are "responding to"?
Considering your workload, I understand you perfectly.

Did you report or complain in Meta before engaging in your vigilante attacks against the user who you think was spamming, or any other users that you're now complaining about?

Rhetorical question of course.

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November 25, 2024, 02:22:51 PM
#58
If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.
Thank you very much for your advice!
But... now I have even more questions:
1) I can't write "Personal Messages" to our admins under my Snork1979 account, because he is banned and I can't write even Personal Messages to anyone from him.
2) I believe that when receiving Personal Messages from my account "Newbie", our Administrators will simply delete it as spam, without even reading it.
3) I can't write in any other topics of our forum, except for "Meta", under my new account, because our local moderator Xal0lex will gladly ban me right there "for violating the forum rules".

A question for you, as a Global Moderator, who has been on our forum for over 11 years: what practices are adopted on our forum for appealing against unlawful actions of local moderators, as in my case? How exactly should I contact our Administrators? (and in what way?)

I think it's quite obvious that those are not "answers" in any way to the actual topics of those threads but rather personal attacks against the user.
I think it's quite obvious that I'm not going to match you, level 80 trolls, in terms of trolling (judging by your posts, which I've already managed to read on our forum ).
But can you, our esteemed certified 80th level troll, at least write something on the topic of my thread?
Or is it too difficult for you, since it does not correspond in any way to your "real troll" methodology? Roll Eyes

It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?
Yes, that's exactly what I did here.
Perhaps it's too hard for you to read, and although understand what you are "responding to"?
Considering your workload, I understand you perfectly.

We're discussing your ban and your behavior that may have led to it, or is that now off-topic too?
Dear Troll, That's exactly what I'm doing right now.
Perhaps you just haven't found the time to read what you're "responding to" yet? Roll Eyes
(well, that's typical for trolls of your high level, as I've already figured out...)

LOL
That was your "finished thought", I suppose? (usually, for real trolls, this is a "finished thought" when they no longer have enough arguments to continue the discussion ...)

The abuse of giving out bans is more harmful to the forum than the current case
You are absolutely right.
And it is a pity that our local trolls Until now this has not been understood.
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November 25, 2024, 11:22:12 AM
#57
I will repeat, this man is brazenly lying in an attempt to make himself look like a victim of political persecution, which, however, is not surprising.
For this, Thermos came up with tags. If you think he's lying, you should have tagged him as a liar in his profile. Abuse of giving out bans is more harmful to the forum than the current case

In fact, the reason for his ban is a trivial malicious violation of forum rules.
Honestly, I wouldn't say that Snork is a malicious offender. He has an evil character, but I wouldn't call him a violator.

Snork is persistent and stubborn, but the moderator took it for trolling. As for his posts in analytic threads. Analytics implies playing on the stock exchange and forecasts. There it is really impossible to distinguish trolling from market manipulation. It turns out that Snork is a professional stock market  player of bearish game and not a troll at all
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November 25, 2024, 10:51:57 AM
#56
And in what exactly did you see my "attack"?
You mean that I have many answers in the topics of Alik Bahshi?

I think it's quite obvious that those are not "answers" in any way to the actual topics of those threads but rather personal attacks against the user.

Whether that's what caused the ban - I don't know, but I don't see any redeeming value in that sort of posting.

Are you still surprised that I write in his topics quite often?

It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?

Alik Bahshi is a long-known spammer in the Russian section "Politics", who creates new topics for any reason and even without a reason. But I believe that discussing his spam in this topic is offtopic.

LOL

We're discussing your ban and your behavior that may have led to it, or is that now off-topic too?
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November 25, 2024, 09:17:29 AM
#55
Honestly speaking, I thought that only global moderators can ban. But it turns out that's what it is

Locale moderators can also ban, it turns out.

I don't believe they can unless theymos has given them special powers. What usually happens is one of the local mods will request a ban from a Global/admin.
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November 25, 2024, 08:55:15 AM
#54
Honestly speaking, I thought that only global moderators can ban. But it turns out that's what it is

Locale moderators can also ban, it turns out.
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November 25, 2024, 08:45:49 AM
#53
I suggest returning to the discussion of the questions that I asked Xal0lex.

And to questions for our Global Moderators and other participants of this discussion.

If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.
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November 25, 2024, 08:18:10 AM
#52
Some of the more recently deleted snork's posts preceding the ban - likely rule-breaking posts deleted by mods
suchmoon, thank you for collecting my deleted posts.
I reread them again and again became convinced that they all correspond to the style of communication accepted in the Russian section "Politics" (which my political opponent farsky demonstrated above. And which many other participants of the section "Politics" adhere to).

Snork seems to have been attacking one user in particular and repeatedly posting (and having posts deleted) in that user's threads.
And in what exactly did you see my "attack"?
You mean that I have many answers in the topics of Alik Bahshi?

It's all simple here: if you look at the Russian section "Politics", you will see that in the top-5 three topics were created by Alik Bahshi (60% of topics).
In the top-20, Alik Bahshi is OP for 12 topics (again 60% of topics). I have not seen this in any other section of our forum Grin
Are you still surprised that I write in his topics quite often?

Alik Bahshi is a long-known spammer in the Russian section "Politics", who creates new topics for any reason and even without a reason. But I believe that discussing his spam in this topic is offtopic.

I suggest returning to the discussion of the questions that I asked Xal0lex.

And to questions for our Global Moderators and other participants of this discussion.
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November 25, 2024, 08:03:57 AM
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At the same time, he is constantly deliberately twisting the comments of other users participating in the discussion, takes personalities (trolling), and calls everyone who does not agree with his opinion ukrainian bots.
Snork is primitive enough to be a troll. He is very evil, but he was never be a troll, otherwise he would never lose his temper very easy. On the contrary, he was so easily irritated that other trolls took advantage of it.

His personal phraseological habits are just his manner of speech which you took for trolling. This is a not a reason for ban.

You may not like Snork or find it disgusting. But if you dislike a user, this is not a reason for a ban. It's just your problem if you can't debate with such argumentators.

Moderators usually have a lot of things to do. They don't have time to explain or prove anything. I think that on this day Halolex didn't bother and simply banned the user he didn't like due to his personal subjective dislike.
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November 25, 2024, 07:06:41 AM
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Some of the more recent deleted snork's posts preceding the ban - likely rule-breaking posts deleted by mods (sorry about the mangled quotes):

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Дa-дa, я тoжe oчeнь нaдeюcь, чтo yкpaинцы paнo или пoзднo "пpocнyтcя" и cнecyт нaxyй peжим cвoeгo вoфки (пpocpoчeннoгo клoyнa, вpeмeннoгo и.o. пpeзидeнтa Дypкaины)
Mы вeдь c тoбoй пpo oднoгo и тoгo жe yкpo-пигмeя "вoфкy" гoвopим ceйчac, я нaдeюcь? Roll Eyes

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Увaжaeмыe мoдepaтopы, a мoжнo тyт yжe coздaть oтдeльный тoпик в paздeлe cпaмa "Пиcьмa в Cпopтлoттo oт Aли-c-бaxчи", кyдa вcё этo бecпoлeзнoe гoвнo и пиxaть cкoпoм? Roll Eyes
Hy зaeбaл yжe, чecтнoe cлoвo, этoт cпaм oт нaшeгo мecтнoгo yмcтвeннo-oтcтaлoгo, кoтopый пoчeмy-тo cчитaeт, чтo eгo oчepeдныe выcepы интepecны xoть кoмy-тo кpoмe нeгo caмoгo ...
Beчнo oн тyт кoмy-тo "пишeт пиcьмa". To пpeзидeнтaм paзным, тo жypнaлиcтaм кaким-тo ...
Пpo cyщecтвoвaниe пoчты для пиceм нaшe "oнo", видимo, дaжe нe дoгaдывaeтcя в cилy cвoeгo oтpицaтeльнoгo IQ ...

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Quote from: Alik Bahshi on Today at 04:53:17 AM
O кaкoм нapoдe peчь! Xoлoпaм дeмoкpaтия нe нyжнa.
Boт и пpocpoчeнный клoyн тaк peшил.
Пoэтoмy и oтмeнил выбopы для cвoиx xoлoпoв нa Укpaинe Wink

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Quote from: Alik Bahshi on Today at 04:53:17 AM
O кaкoм нapoдe peчь! Xoлoпaм дeмoкpaтия нe нyжнa.
O xoлoпax xoxлax, paзyмeeтcя!
Или ты xoxлoв yжe зa "нapoд" нe cчитaeшь тeпepь? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Alik Bahshi on Today at 12:06:18 PM
A чтo пaлecтинцы yжe oт poждeния тeppopиcты?
A чтo, нaш Aли-c-Бaxчи c poждeния и дo cиx пop читaть нe нayчилcя или лишь пoнимaть нaпиcaннoe? Roll Eyes

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Я вoт тoжe пpo тaкoгo никoгдa нe cлышaл, нo ...
Я дyмaю, чтo этo кaкoй-тo чинoвник из Cпopтлoттo.
Haш Aли-c-бaxчи вeчнo пишeт им вcякиe пиcьмa пpo paзнoe, чтo eгo вoлнyeт, кaк мы вce дaвнo знaeм yж ... Roll Eyes

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Дык, пиздyй в Иpaн и "cкидывaй"! B чeм твoи пpoблeмы тo, xoxлo-бoт?! Huh
A ... ты жe eщё yкpo-нaциcтcкий peжим в cвoeм pиднoм Cвинocтaнe нe cкинyл дo cиx пop ...
Hy, тoгдa: кaк пpocpoчeннoгo клoyнa Bceя Дypдoины нa кoл пocaдишь - тaк cpaзy и пиздyй в Иpaн! Grin

(from https://loyce.club/archive/members/211/2118956.html)

Snork seems to have been attacking one user in particular and repeatedly posting (and having posts deleted) in that user's threads.
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November 25, 2024, 03:03:26 AM
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if we are going to be completely just and impartial, then the red-flags signs in his profile are the lack of professionalism of the DT members and the unfair weapon used against him. I have not encountered users in the ru locale who were misled by snork in private money transactions.
Thank you for your honest description of the current situation.
Yes, 1miau, Icopress and GazetaBitcoin are obviously using their DT powers for personal purposes, and not for their intended purpose.
But since this is not prohibited by the forum rules, let it remain on their conscience.
Now I can't trust their opinion and put a tilde (~) in my "Trust settings".

I think he (Xal0lex) was going by the Rule of Ban Evasion.
Yeah, I get that.
I was just responding to GeorgeJohn's post above and explaining that "than pulling the legs of your mod to the public" is Xal0lex's choice, not mine.

In the end  he gets the punishment and anti-russian trolls continue on with their business.
Absolutely right. That's how it is.

So far it is not the official policy of btt to ban pro-russian posts and users but unofficially? I dunno.
I am also very interested to know if banning pro-russian posts is now a new BTT policy, or is it an initiative of just a local moderator?

Unfortunately, Xal0lex (who sent me to Meta to file a complaint) only made one statement here without any evidence or explanation, after which ignored the questions asked of him (he probably thinks that if the complaint against him is ignored, then the problem "does not exist").
Therefore, we are unlikely to hear an answer to this question from him either.

I wonder if our Global Moderators read the posts in Meta?
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November 24, 2024, 02:52:48 AM
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Finally Xal0lex agreed to answer my complaint here and give an explanation.
Thank you!

You know what the saddest part is? That this person never realized why he got the ban.
Yes, I still don't understand, for what exactly did you ban me?
And I've been trying to figure it out for a very long time.
I don't write spam or plagiarism. I just write my opinion on the issues that concern me.
And I do it in exactly the same tone as my opponents in the "Politics" section.
I hope you will now give detailed explanations with examples and links? (and not just general words, as you did above)
So that it is understandable to everyone.

This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying.
Why then do many respected members of the Russian section believe that you banned me unfairly and for my political views?
They are all lying too and you are the only one telling the truth? Roll Eyes

They express their opinions and discussions according to the topics
You're lying.
Here are just a few examples of offtopic from my opponents in the "Politics" section:
(what did you write there about "In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about."?)
(I have repeatedly reported such inhumane posts by xenon131. But, apparently, Xal0lex believes that they fully comply with the rules of our forum)

As you yourself know very well, in the "Politics" section there are dozens and hundreds of such examples.
If you are such an "honest" moderator as you try to present yourself here, then why did none of my opponents get banned?


I have never been a supporter of Snork-1979, in fact, his way of communicating has always bothered me. I typically avoid discussing politics on this forum. After examining Snork's evidence and reading the negative reviews on his profile today, it seems obvious that the moderator favors him. I am more familiar with OP from our discussions about BTC movement on RuLocal. While his communication style can be irritating at times, it is unfair to label him as a bigger troll compared to the users in the topics Snork-1979 referenced.
Upon reviewing the evidence presented, I have observed blatant animosity based on nationality, encouragement of disdain towards the Russian population, and a belittlement of the Russian people's contributions to global culture. This behavior is completely unacceptable and clearly falls under the category of trolling. It is concerning that these accounts are still active and have not been banned. The moderator failed to acknowledge the derogatory content posted by other users in the discussion and instead chose to reprimand user snork-1979. In my view, it would be more appropriate to suspend multiple accounts with varying viewpoints. This approach may have minimized the need for snork-1979 to defend his nation's reputation. As someone dear to me once remarked, "There are no inherently bad nations, only individuals who behave poorly within them."
if we are going to be completely just and impartial, then the red-flags signs in his profile are the lack of professionalism of the DT members and the unfair weapon used against him. I have not encountered users in the ru locale who were misled by snork in private money transactions.

snork might be a troll, but he has been trolling because other anti-russian trolls are triggering him. In the end  he gets the punishment and anti-russian trolls continue on with their business. Exactly how they do this in reddit. It is even their official policy to ban pro-russian posts and users after the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. So far it is not the official policy of btt to ban pro-russian posts and users but unofficially? I dunno.

An advice to snork: You don’t have to respond to every damn post that triggers you. Let it go.
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