Topic: Unreasonable ban of Snork1979 account - page 4. (Read 2702 times)

I am worried about what has been happening to the forum lately. Something unfair and inexplicable. Why those who troll here using his privileged position aren't banned? Everybody knows the nicknames of these high-ranking trolls very well. (23477one and 31761eight)

You are completely wrong.
The issues I raise here are directly related to my latest (already third) ban on BTT due to my political views, which one local Ukrainian local moderator really doesn't like.
At the same time, I understand perfectly well that even if our administrators consider my ban unlawful, I personally will gain almost nothing from this in terms of reducing the terms of this unfair ban (this is already the third time).

And that is exactly why I would really like to hear an official response and official BTT position on an important question that was not even formulated here by me:

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Yes, I understand that perfectly well.
And have you realized yet that those of our users who have known me for many years have already expressed their opinion?
(unfortunately, Xal0lex couldn't even respond to this...)

And many users in the English locale (of those who have not yet forgotten how to think independently), as I see, are also against the arbitrariness of local moderators and the banning of users for political reasons.
And what do you think about this?

No.
Considering the management of the Russian section by Ukrainian moderators - this is completely without a chance, as I have long understood.

No, I haven't written to our admins yet.
And I'm still wondering if I should do it?
And will even our admins be able to do something about our Ukrainian Nazis (like Xal0lex), who are currently taking over our crypto forum?

I have exactly the same question now: is there any point in writing to the admin in my situation?
Our Ukrainian moderator Xal0lex has banned me here for my political views for the third time already.
Our administration clearly encourages the Nazi views of Xal0lex.
And... should I stay here any longer?

Before BTT, I was on another crypto forum for quite a long time.
In 2018, I got bored there and switched to BTT.
But, since BTT has now become a breeding ground for political ideas of Ukrainian Nazis (with the silent support of our admins), then perhaps I should now move to some other crypto-forum, where freedom of speech has not yet become an empty phrase?
What do you think?
(unlike Xal0lex, I do not earn a single cent on this forum from our fellow cryptons)

Is he unbanned?

OP, write back, did you write to the admin? Does the admin even respond? People also want to know whether the admin responds to requests at all or is silent

Everyone advises to write to the admin. What's the point of writing to the admin if the admin doesn't respond? Stop giving empty advices

I expect that OP should be making appeal in other for him to have an increased chances of getting his account unbanned, instead he is making things more complicated by engaging in making unnecessary argument about local board and political affairs which has nothing to even do about the reason his account was banned, trolling, spamming and posting unethical contents could make you get banned, i still don't understand if you really recognized here that with the way of the community engagement over this thread in support or against you will determine or go a long way over getting you unbanned or not.

Welcome to the Russian section "Politics"!
There, no one will be surprised by this.
But here, this is just another trolling on your part.

Update for suchmoon:
You have no problem translating from Russian, do you?

Then here are some examples of how pro-Ukrainian participants address their opponents in the Russian section "Politics":


Compared to this, your example of personal attack above is just child's play
But, as I already wrote, in the Russian section "Politics" this is normal. And Xal0lex won't ban you for this.
If, of course, you support Ukraine

Got it. If I were to call you a mentally disabled negative IQ shitposter who can't read or understand anything, that is not a personal attack.

Thank you very much!
I'll try to write to the admins from this account.

Meta or contact with the admins is the way to go. You can try PM them from this account directing them to this thread. They may or may not respond but it doesn't hurt to try. Worst case scenario is there's 30 days left on your ban.

As I explained to you above, I am not attacking the user Alik Bahshi.
Despite his spamming in the Russian "Politics" section, I do not have any issues with him that would require me to file a complaint against him.

Did you report or complain in Meta before engaging in your vigilante attacks against the user who you think was spamming, or any other users that you're now complaining about?

Rhetorical question of course.

Thank you very much for your advice!
But... now I have even more questions:
1) I can't write "Personal Messages" to our admins under my Snork1979 account, because he is banned and I can't write even Personal Messages to anyone from him.
2) I believe that when receiving Personal Messages from my account "Newbie", our Administrators will simply delete it as spam, without even reading it.
3) I can't write in any other topics of our forum, except for "Meta", under my new account, because our local moderator Xal0lex will gladly ban me right there "for violating the forum rules".

A question for you, as a Global Moderator, who has been on our forum for over 11 years: what practices are adopted on our forum for appealing against unlawful actions of local moderators, as in my case? How exactly should I contact our Administrators? (and in what way?)

I think it's quite obvious that I'm not going to match you, level 80 trolls, in terms of trolling (judging by your posts, which I've already managed to read on our forum ).
But can you, our esteemed certified 80th level troll, at least write something on the topic of my thread?
Or is it too difficult for you, since it does not correspond in any way to your "real troll" methodology?

Yes, that's exactly what I did here.
Perhaps it's too hard for you to read, and although understand what you are "responding to"?
Considering your workload, I understand you perfectly.

Dear Troll, That's exactly what I'm doing right now.
Perhaps you just haven't found the time to read what you're "responding to" yet?
(well, that's typical for trolls of your high level, as I've already figured out...)

That was your "finished thought", I suppose? (usually, for real trolls, this is a "finished thought" when they no longer have enough arguments to continue the discussion ...)

You are absolutely right.
And it is a pity that our local trolls Until now this has not been understood.

For this, Thermos came up with tags. If you think he's lying, you should have tagged him as a liar in his profile. Abuse of giving out bans is more harmful to the forum than the current case

Honestly, I wouldn't say that Snork is a malicious offender. He has an evil character, but I wouldn't call him a violator.

Snork is persistent and stubborn, but the moderator took it for trolling. As for his posts in analytic threads. Analytics implies playing on the stock exchange and forecasts. There it is really impossible to distinguish trolling from market manipulation. It turns out that Snork is a professional stock market  player of bearish game and not a troll at all

I think it's quite obvious that those are not "answers" in any way to the actual topics of those threads but rather personal attacks against the user.

Whether that's what caused the ban - I don't know, but I don't see any redeeming value in that sort of posting.


It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?


LOL

We're discussing your ban and your behavior that may have led to it, or is that now off-topic too?

I don't believe they can unless theymos has given them special powers. What usually happens is one of the local mods will request a ban from a Global/admin.

Honestly speaking, I thought that only global moderators can ban. But it turns out that's what it is

Locale moderators can also ban, it turns out.

If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.

suchmoon, thank you for collecting my deleted posts.
I reread them again and again became convinced that they all correspond to the style of communication accepted in the Russian section "Politics" (which my political opponent farsky demonstrated above. And which many other participants of the section "Politics" adhere to).

And in what exactly did you see my "attack"?
You mean that I have many answers in the topics of Alik Bahshi?

It's all simple here: if you look at the Russian section "Politics", you will see that in the top-5 three topics were created by Alik Bahshi (60% of topics).
In the top-20, Alik Bahshi is OP for 12 topics (again 60% of topics). I have not seen this in any other section of our forum
Are you still surprised that I write in his topics quite often?

Alik Bahshi is a long-known spammer in the Russian section "Politics", who creates new topics for any reason and even without a reason. But I believe that discussing his spam in this topic is offtopic.

I suggest returning to the discussion of the questions that I asked Xal0lex.

And to questions for our Global Moderators and other participants of this discussion.

Snork is primitive enough to be a troll. He is very evil, but he was never be a troll, otherwise he would never lose his temper very easy. On the contrary, he was so easily irritated that other trolls took advantage of it.

His personal phraseological habits are just his manner of speech which you took for trolling. This is a not a reason for ban.

You may not like Snork or find it disgusting. But if you dislike a user, this is not a reason for a ban. It's just your problem if you can't debate with such argumentators.

Moderators usually have a lot of things to do. They don't have time to explain or prove anything. I think that on this day Halolex didn't bother and simply banned the user he didn't like due to his personal subjective dislike.

Some of the more recent deleted snork's posts preceding the ban - likely rule-breaking posts deleted by mods (sorry about the mangled quotes):








(from https://loyce.club/archive/members/211/2118956.html)

Snork seems to have been attacking one user in particular and repeatedly posting (and having posts deleted) in that user's threads.

Thank you for your honest description of the current situation.
Yes, 1miau, Icopress and GazetaBitcoin are obviously using their DT powers for personal purposes, and not for their intended purpose.
But since this is not prohibited by the forum rules, let it remain on their conscience.
Now I can't trust their opinion and put a tilde (~) in my "Trust settings".

Yeah, I get that.
I was just responding to GeorgeJohn's post above and explaining that "than pulling the legs of your mod to the public" is Xal0lex's choice, not mine.

Absolutely right. That's how it is.

I am also very interested to know if banning pro-russian posts is now a new BTT policy, or is it an initiative of just a local moderator?

Unfortunately, Xal0lex (who sent me to Meta to file a complaint) only made one statement here without any evidence or explanation, after which ignored the questions asked of him (he probably thinks that if the complaint against him is ignored, then the problem "does not exist").
Therefore, we are unlikely to hear an answer to this question from him either.

I wonder if our Global Moderators read the posts in Meta?