Topic: Unreasonable ban of Snork1979 account - page 5. (Read 2678 times)

snork might be a troll, but he has been trolling because other anti-russian trolls are triggering him. In the end  he gets the punishment and anti-russian trolls continue on with their business. Exactly how they do this in reddit. It is even their official policy to ban pro-russian posts and users after the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. So far it is not the official policy of btt to ban pro-russian posts and users but unofficially? I dunno.

An advice to snork: You don’t have to respond to every damn post that triggers you. Let it go.

I think he (Xal0lex) was going by the Rule of Ban Evasion. Once you are banned, you are only allowed to make an appeal thread and post in it in the Meta board. Any post outside that means you are evading ban.

Yes, that's exactly what I did.
I created a complaint in the dedicated topic of the Russian section.
But Xal0lex first deleted my posts there (along with banning my new ones accounts from which I wrote my complaint).
And then, a few days later, he replied that "You can only write in the Meta section and nowhere else." and did not want to discuss my complaint in the Russian section.
So I had to create this topic in Meta.

in normal circumstances this issue supposed to be addressed in your local board were you will have a community support, because many people who is not from your local will not know the root of the matter, I know that moderators have rules assigned by theymos which they follow and none of them will act contrary above the instructions given to them..so I would have like you to go your local to iron this issue than pulling the legs of your mod to the public.

I have never been a supporter of Snork-1979, in fact, his way of communicating has always bothered me. I typically avoid discussing politics on this forum. After examining Snork's evidence and reading the negative reviews on his profile today, it seems obvious that the moderator favors him. I am more familiar with OP from our discussions about BTC movement on RuLocal. While his communication style can be irritating at times, it is unfair to label him as a bigger troll compared to the users in the topics Snork-1979 referenced.
Upon reviewing the evidence presented, I have observed blatant animosity based on nationality, encouragement of disdain towards the Russian population, and a belittlement of the Russian people's contributions to global culture. This behavior is completely unacceptable and clearly falls under the category of trolling. It is concerning that these accounts are still active and have not been banned. The moderator failed to acknowledge the derogatory content posted by other users in the discussion and instead chose to reprimand user snork-1979. In my view, it would be more appropriate to suspend multiple accounts with varying viewpoints. This approach may have minimized the need for snork-1979 to defend his nation's reputation. As someone dear to me once remarked, "There are no inherently bad nations, only individuals who behave poorly within them."
if we are going to be completely just and impartial, then the red-flags signs in his profile are the lack of professionalism of the DT members and the unfair weapon used against him. I have not encountered users in the ru locale who were misled by snork in private money transactions.

In my opinion, an attempt to turn the discussion to personalities and insults is called "trolling"?
Or am I wrong?

After my political opponent farsky demonstrated the style of communication accepted in the Russian section "Politics", and that offtopic is the "norm" there, he also decided to demonstrate that trolling is also the "norm" for my political opponents.

That is, because my political views are completely opposite to yours.
Yes, that's exactly why I got another ban from Xal0lex.
Your wishes were fully satisfied.

Xal0lex, I'll repeat my question:
Why weren't any of my political opponents banned for offtopic and trolling?
If you're such an "honest" and "principled" moderator, how are you trying to convince everyone here?

weak manipulation, you are trying to be polite to our English-speaking friends, and you have nothing to say to my accusations and discussion of your personality.

In my post, I discussed you personally and your behavior, not general political issues.

I have no idea why the moderator formally banned you, I haven't visited the political thread for a long time, it hurts and bitters me to read it, it hurts me what has been happening for almost 3 years.
However, you have long deserved a ban for exactly what I described in my previous post. You are not unique and you are not alone, there are many like you, those who sincerely believe in the rightness of those who started the war.

You spread and propagate evil.
And I vote for continuing the ban.

You wanted discussions about yourself? You got them.

You should understand the difference between "political views" and "hate propaganda".
The first is everyone's right,
the second is specific, targeted actions that are classified in a certain way in the criminal code as an offense.

ps. I said it all as it is, and I will not answer you or come here anymore.
Enjoy the attention to yourself.

farsky, I will not continue our political discussions with you here.
Here it will be offtopic (for which no one is ever banned in the Russian section "Politics". But this is a different place and a different topic).

However, you have perfectly demonstrated what style of communication is considered "normal" in the Russian section "Politics" (and for which Xal0lex never bans anyone).
I think this will be useful for everyone present here.

And it's also good that even you, my long-time political opponent, understand perfectly well that Xal0lex banned me not for "trolling and offtop" (which is what he's trying to convince everyone here of), but for my political views:
You do understand, right, that what you call "promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians" is precisely political views, and not trolling or offtop?

primitive manipulation and lies.
You did not just refuse to support Ukraine.
You clearly and deliberately support Putin and the Putin regime, you openly rejoice at the deaths of Ukrainians, you mock them, you openly propagate hatred and xenophobia towards Ukrainians, you write terrible offensive things about Ukraine and Ukrainians, you humiliate their language and their right to live an independent life, you deny their right to self-determination as a nation, you deny their right to even defend themselves.

You are a terrible person, but I believe that you sincerely believe in your rightness and your beliefs, you really believe that the Russian army has the right to come to another country and take lives, destroy, maim, rape, rob and occupy.

The name of one of your accounts (in the screenshot above) directly calls on Ukrainians to die.


here you are trying to shift the focus of attention to a national characteristic, a standard manipulative move.
But do you think users are fools and won't understand this?
Many Russians DO NOT support Putin's regime and DO NOT support the war, many openly speak AGAINST the war, receiving administrative cases (and fines) and even criminal cases for this.
People like you, and people like those who went to kill Ukrainians - are a disgrace to the nation.


Don't pretend to be a victim of war, you are in Russia, you are not being attacked by occupiers.
How did the war affect you, "friend"?
Your relatives or friends went to kill Ukrainians and the Ukrainians dared to defend themselves? Is this why you hate Ukrainians, because they defend their country and their families?
You are an incredible hypocrite, the war has not affected you personally, bombs, missiles and shells are NOT falling on you.

you better drop your ostentatious politeness and show English-speaking users how you really communicate, how vilely you insult the Ukrainian people and how you mock them for defending their country, dying in the process, tell us how you insult other forum participants who tried to explain something to you.

And let's remember, my friend, how often did you negatively throw mud and speak negatively about the USA and other countries that support Ukraine?
Yes, this is part of the culture of "born in the USSR": insulting the West, promoting hatred towards all Western countries, but you and your sympathizers did it especially poisonously. Until now, several of those listed below continue to sling mud at the West and blame it for all the troubles, but they do it very covertly, only occasionally calling the West (and our forum) "dark alleyway of fashionable transgenders" as Goran did in his comment.

You more openly propagate hatred and contempt for the West, using a Western forum, a Western computer and the Western Internet.

I repeat, I think you were banned not for your political views, but for promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians, for mocking dead Ukrainians, and for numerous death wishes for them, as well as for numerous insults based on nationality.

The users you cite in your defense (leonello and stoos) are your ideological supporters (although they themselves speak more cautiously), and Julien_Olynpic is simply a very polite and tolerant person, even towards Nazis (although he himself confirmed his complete disagreement with you on political topics)

It would be better if you were engaged in trading and not inciting hatred.

HORNET for crying out loud TSC, hornet!!! The man hasn't been this agreesive Unless provoked soooo...
Is anyone else surprised to see some dramas from someone that has had the permaban as their verdict for the 3rd time now?

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y'all know what else would remain a necessity? Ignoring people's asses... A boy joined the discussion few hours ago and he's obviously proven himself on my last post, also, through several scenerios to be a fucking psychopath.
If you need publicity, this ain't how to go about it, my friend. ^{[Or maybe, you're just an oily, opportunistic skunk]}

Finally Xal0lex agreed to answer my complaint here and give an explanation.
Thank you!

Yes, I still don't understand, for what exactly did you ban me?
And I've been trying to figure it out for a very long time.
I don't write spam or plagiarism. I just write my opinion on the issues that concern me.
And I do it in exactly the same tone as my opponents in the "Politics" section.
I hope you will now give detailed explanations with examples and links? (and not just general words, as you did above)
So that it is understandable to everyone.

Why then do many respected members of the Russian section believe that you banned me unfairly and for my political views?

• Proof 1
• Proof 2
• Proof 3
• Proof 4
• Proof 5

They are all lying too and you are the only one telling the truth?

You're lying.
Here are just a few examples of offtopic from my opponents in the "Politics" section:

• Offtop about Ukraine in the topic about Israel from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Ukraine and Putin in the topic about Georgia from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Putin in the topic about the Arab-Israeli conflict from Warrior Dance

(what did you write there about "In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about."?)

• Photos of corpses of Russian soldiers with joyful comments from xenon131
• Similar from xenon131

(I have repeatedly reported such inhumane posts by xenon131. But, apparently, Xal0lex believes that they fully comply with the rules of our forum)

As you yourself know very well, in the "Politics" section there are dozens and hundreds of such examples.
If you are such an "honest" moderator as you try to present yourself here, then why did none of my opponents get banned?

If I made a mistake, then I apologize.
But can you honestly write here that you are NOT a citizen of Ukraine and have nothing to do with Ukraine?

Yes, when you banned me for political reasons the first time, I kept quiet.
And when you banned me for political reasons the second time, I kept quiet.
But now I will not keep quiet.

Yes.
And, since you are such an "honest" moderator, then be completely honest and write here, what exactly am I doing in the Russian section under my new account?
Am I writing spam?
Or plagiarism?
Or am I somehow clogging up our forum?
Or am I simply continuing my communication with other participants, which you have once again groundlessly interrupted?

I hope you will provide here at least some evidence of this with your explanations?
And not just general words that "everyone should just believe"?

Ga ga goo goo? 

My man all the way across the world there, you'd be well-advised to keep your ban appeal thread short, to the point, and avoid swatting the bees' nest.  But since you already wrote what you wrote....good frigging luck getting unbanned. 

There haven't been nearly as many of these threads lately.  It's almost as if people realized getting unbanned is impossible most of the time and simply jumped to the alternative that was often suggested (to my great displeasure) by hilariousandco to create a new account, thereby breaking the rules yet another time.

I'd say good luck, but that would be insincere.  Bon voyage?

What I wanted to say is very simple but with your limited comprehension capacity, which is not the first time you have shown, I am not surprised that you have not understood it.

What I was saying was that it did not seem reasonable that the OP had been banned just for trolling but given Xal0lex's explanation it's not just for that. Also I trust the 3 red tags on his profile a lot more than what he can say, although I understand that this should be two separate things, one thing is the trust, which is not moderated, and another thing the ban of a moderator for certain reasons.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if, with your amoeba brain, you're not even capable of understanding this.

I don’t know what you hoped to archive from this but, having to make the underlined statement, means you actually could be doing something really wrong to have been picked given a temp ban. Your outright admittance to writing off topic and generalize it to be a thing for the politics section of your locale and acting as a troll could earn you what you’ve just got.
Perhaps the moderator didn’t act out of a line observation but, from having to handle so much reports and am just speculating here.
Anyway, you would be back before you know it so, hope you don’t make matters worst. You could be a troll and still be on topic.

Can you show us to some instances where y'all had a persistent troll like yourself (a troll that has been temporarily banned twice for the same reason) and there wasn't any verdict for them? ^{[I have never grown weary of reading, unless I'm knocked out]}
So, what are you trying to say in essence? That 'em rules are made up but not effective anyway?

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The boy has a partner to defend his ass now, he's definitely gonna yell more.. bahahahah!!
Google is your friend.

You know what the saddest part is? That this person never realized why he got the ban. This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying. I don't care who writes what as long as it doesn't violate forum rules. There are plenty of people in both the Russian and global sections who side with Russia, and if I were what this person is trying to make me out to be, then by simple logic, my perceived bias would affect everyone, not just this person. The answer is simple, unlike this person, no one (practically) of those he calls “everyone” is breaking the forum rules. They express their opinions and discussions according to the topics of the threads and do not engage in vicious trolling. In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about. At the same time, he is constantly deliberately twisting the comments of other users participating in the discussion, takes personalities (trolling), and calls everyone who does not agree with his opinion ukrainian bots. And, as suchmoon correctly pointed out, he is even trying to troll in this thread with the appeal of his ban. He also calls me everywhere now as “ukrainian moderator” and gave me Ukrainian citizenship, because I, you see, unreasonably “banned” him

And by the way, this is not his first ban. Before that he was temporarily banned for the same reasons, first for 7 days, some time later for 30 days. So this is the third ban. But still, this person still can't understand the real reason for all his bans.

And yes, this person continues to violate the forum rules by creating a new account every day and posting in the Russian section, thus evading the ban.

P.S. I will repeat, this man is brazenly lying in an attempt to make himself look like a victim of political persecution, which, however, is not surprising. In fact, the reason for his ban is a trivial malicious violation of forum rules.

In short, what happened:
1) The local moderator of the Russian section Xal0lex has banned the user Snork1979 (me) for allegedly "trolling" more than once.
2) In fact, Xal0lex banned the user Snork1979 for my political views.

Users of the Russian section (with Legendary and Hero ranks, not new alts) understand perfectly well that I was banned for my political views:

(I wonder if Xal0lex will delete these posts, as well as all the others, telling the truth about him?

3) 90+% of posts in the Russian section "Politics" are, strictly formally, trolling or off-topic.
4) Xal0lex doesn't ban any of the users who support Ukraine for trolling or off-topic. He only bans users who don't want to support Ukraine.
5) I think that banning for political beliefs is illegal and wrong on our forum.
6) Most crypto users agree with me. At least in words. (even suchmoon)

That's "all" for now.
Welcome to this interesting discussion! )

You have raised a very important question, I think.
And what is considered "trolling"? And who defines it? And should we ban people on our forum for this?

For example, is the arrogantly condescending remark "But I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume it's a translation issue." from our suchmoon "trolling"?
And should he be banned for this? (If suchmoon had written this in the Russian section against Xal0lex, Xal0lex would have definitely banned him for a month or two )))

I'm not sure I quite understand 100% what has happened here but I want to comment on the alleged ban for trolling because I'm sure I've seen people repeatedly in this section saying that it's been a long time since there has been any action against trolling despite unofficial rule number 3. For example:


We also have the case of proudhon who is a known troll and has not been banned that I know of.

I myself started a troll thread in response to another thread that clearly breaks the rule 2 (and I would say borders on trolling as well) and no action was taken against me or the other thread.

Thanks for your answer.

If Xal0lex really banned users for trolling, then 90-95% of the participants of the Russian section "Politics" would be banned (you can look at this section yourself to see this).

But this for some reason it is not observed.
Do you have an explanation for this fact?

The context implied correlation and I'm not the only one seeing it that way. But I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume it's a translation issue.


No. However you were banned for trolling. Loaded questions notwithstanding, this thread serves no purpose other than to circumvent your ban and continue the behavior that got you banned in the first place.