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Let's talk a little bit more seriously about some of the concerns about Donald Trump that people may have (this being the most active thread on the guy.)  I am much more hopeful about him than I thought I would be before studying things, but concerns definatly remain.  Including the very real possiblity that I myself might have been completely chumped (though it seems unlikely given the fairly unmistakable animosity toward him from some of my most bitter enemies.)  Glad to have either pro or con information presented.

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Even though I'm not 100% sure that Snowden is 100% legit, it does at this point seem likely...  Probably my biggest beef with Trump is his stead-fast and solid negativity toward Snowden.  Often, if one listens carefully to Trump, he is actually give a little bit of flexibility.  Not in the case of Snowden.  And if Snowden is legit, there are some very important reasons why his actions have a lot of positive rationals.

I have some serious concerns that a Trump presidency could be a lot more power-centralized authoritarian than I would like and would respect individual 'liberty' a lot less than I would like.  Generally I have heard Trump say very little about individual liberty.  Hopefully Wilikon can come up with some www-scanning goodness to put my mind a bit more at ease.

I would prefer an authoritarian nationalist regime under Trump than a one-world one under the UN, but both are pretty unpalatable to me.  I see the latter as a given on the course charted by Bush, Obama, Hillary, Gore, Biden, etc, and the same under the Republican puppets albeit perhaps a bit farther out.

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My best hope for Trump is that he actually does see the reality and the danger of the NWO project _and_ had decided to fight it for real.  Unfortunately, to have a snowballs chance of doing so will require a great deal of cunning and a lot of trade-offs in terms of 'bringing to justice' some of the perps.  Simply uttering some stary-eyed vision of an ideal world will not get the job done.  Deals will have to be made.

As I've alluded to before, finding people who both agree in principle with the destruction of the NWO project AND have the insights and connections to pull it off will probably be necessary.  With this in mind, what do people think about the guy's trial-balloons about NATO and his foreign policy advisers.  Quite frankly, a quick glance at the names and resumes is not exactly what I would consider reassuring.  Anyone stumbled across some critical analysis of this?

And we have yet another legendary counterexample to present to the folks who think that money and marketing are magic. Edsel, New Coke, 2016 Republican primary...

We need these cautionary tales. It's just too easy to be lulled into sliding from common sense [people who've accumulated a lot of dollars are very shrewd in deploying them] to magical thinking [money has a magic power all its own.]

Thanks for the lesson!

Romney. Enough said.

Sad.

‘Low Information’ Donors: GOP Money Men Waste $520 Million on Now-Dropped Out Candidates Against Donald Trump




Billionaire and millionaire GOP donors have wasted more than half a billion dollars collectively in trying to take down 2016 Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, a new report from the Center for Public Integrity published by Time Magazine shows.

Just on GOP candidates that have since dropped out of the race against Trump, the report found, donors have wasted a whopping $520 million. That amount doesn’t account for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) or Ohio Gov. John Kasich, the only two remaining out of 16 total candidates against Trump.

The Center for Public Integrity’s Carrie Levine wrote:

    So far, donors have funneled more than $520 million collectively into campaigns and outside groups supporting Republican presidential candidates who have now dropped out — and the primaries are far from over. Only U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Trump remain in the Republican presidential primary, and they’re aggressively courting those who once wrote checks to their opponents. But some GOP megadonors with millions of dollars to spend haven’t selected a new date to the presidential dance. Others are on the arms of their second and third choices.

While Trump is taking donations, he is not soliciting them, and is largely self-funding his entire presidential campaign. Trump’s highly successful presidential bid has infuriated donors, hence many have tried to hatchet his momentum—and in every case thus far, they have failed.

As Trump continues to succeed, and these donors continue to fail, Levine noted, some of those donors are surrendering to Trump—aiming to “abandon the field for now and instead funnel resources into downballot races.”

“Some key political groups dedicated to promoting Republican congressional candidates say they’re seeing interest from donors who would otherwise be focused on the presidential race,” Levine wrote before quoting Ian Prior—a GOP operative who represents not just a Super PAC backing GOP candidates in U.S. Senate races but also works for Karl Rove’s American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS.

Prior, quoted here in his capacity as the communications director for the GOP Super Pac “Senate Leadership Fund super PAC” and for Senate-focused GOP nonprofit group One Nation, said, “There have certainly been consistent concerns with the tenor and tone of the Republican nominating process.”

As such, Prior added, “The fight to keep the Senate has become one where there has been increased interest, focus, and attention from the donor community.”

Ultimately, according to Levin, most donors who have given big amounts in this presidential campaign have come up empty-handed.

“For instance, members of the Ricketts family, which owns the Chicago Cubs, contributed $5 million to a super PAC supporting Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s presidential bid,” Levine wrote.

“Since Walker withdrew in September, the Ricketts have not thrown substantial support behind another presidential candidate. But since January, members of the Ricketts family have contributed $5 million to an anti-Trump effort, according to campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.”

The Ricketts-backed Ending Spending Action Fund’s Brian Baker noted that “Everyone is all over the map” when it comes to whether to shift to backing yet another GOP candidate, and instead the Ricketts’ efforts have shifted more into Senate races like the one brewing in New Hampshire where Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) is fending off not just primary challenges but a strong general election bid from Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan.

The Ricketts’ are hardly the only donors in the doldrums. Levine continued:

    Another Republican megadonor, billionaire investor Paul Singer, supported U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) until he suspended his campaign earlier this month. Singer is also reportedly boosting anti-Trump efforts; one Rubio fundraiser who attended a meeting of supporters shortly before the Florida primary this month said Singer was outspoken on the subject of Trump, referring to him as a ‘plague.’ Singer did not respond to questions submitted through his lawyer about his political spending plans and his comments about Trump. New campaign finance reports filed Sunday show Singer gave $1 million to the anti-Trump Our Principles PAC.

The story continues by detailing how two mega-donors in Texas who originally backed former Texas Gov. Rick Perry—Welcome Wilson, Sr., and his son Welcome Wilson, Jr.—have shifted to now backing Cruz, with the younger of the two backing his high school classmate former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in the middle.

“I never support more than one candidate at a time, but I need to be realistic,” the elder Wilson said.

They’ve attended fundraisers for Cruz recently and are still trying to help the Texas senator.

“Wilson said his politically inclined associates are still willing to attend presidential fundraisers he’s hosting,” Levine wrote. “Wilson cites what he described as a well-attended fundraising breakfast he recently conducted for Cruz, which featured the senator’s wife, Heidi Cruz.”

Picking up the defeated candidates’ donors is a constant battle the Cruz campaign is fighting for, Cruz fundraiser Mica Mosbacher told Levine.

“We asked folks in, say, the Bush or Rubio camp to consider Cruz as a second, third, fourth choice,” Mosbacher said. “Money is not drying up for Cruz. His path is still possible.”

Cruz does seem to the establishment’s last hope to stop Trump, as even arch enemies of his like former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney—the 2012 GOP nominee who failed to win the presidential election—and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), among others, have now aligned behind him. The question is whether this realignment of the Washington establishment behind Cruz is happening too late, or if there will be enough time left to stop Trump heading into the final stages of this presidential primary. Kasich’s lingering in the race is likely to have an effect on the outcome, and it’s unclear at this time whether Kasich remaining helps Cruz or Trump—or hurts both of them—more.

But ultimately, even Cruz’s efforts to get the donor class behind him for one last anti-Trump push isn’t going as well as the Cruz team may hope, Levine rounded out her piece by noting.

“In contrast, two ‘bundlers’ who raised money for Bush’s campaign and subsequently for Rubio’s effort said some donors in their networks are reluctant to support yet another presidential candidate,” Levine wrote. “This is forcing the bundlers to be judicious as they consider their next move. Both men asked not to be named, saying they didn’t want Trump, Cruz or Kasich — or other downballot candidates, for that matter — nagging them for money. One campaign bundler said he will likely support Cruz. Another said that for now, he’s taking a break from presidential fundraising — and may look at supporting Senate candidates, instead.”


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/low-information-donors-gop-money-men-waste-520-million-on-now-dropped-out-candidates-against-donald-trump/

CASE STUDY IN STRANGELOVE

Here you go.

Read the above thread. 

Then reflect on how very, very different it was in 2012.  Support Mitt Romney.  He's your Best Hope.

He's a socialist and he mouths nuanced Conservative Values.

Re read the above.

People have gotten sick and tired of it and revolted.  The message from the people is simple.  It is -

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Women do not cause wars?

Tell that to the woman who launched ten thousand ships.

Or maybe it's more fun to check in at the Strangelove Cafe.  All are welcome. Two for one beer for BernieBots.  Or maybe it was ex-berniebots.  I don't remember....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

Hmm...

Another Dr. Stranglove reference I am getting on this forum. Time for me to watch this classic masterpiece again 

The thing is, as far as I know, they haven't isolated the gay gene or anything between the sexes yet so it is impossible, in the year 2016, to artificially boost their numbers on planet Earth. The damage is more brainwashing than biologic I want to believe. It could be reversed. As you said, it is not the first time this kind of idea has been pushed. I am guessing this happens between wars. People have time to relax, go crazy and experiment in every way possible. They want to believe women do not go to wars, do not participate in them, are not responsible for them. Only men. It would make sense, they believe, if only men were so sightly more like women or gay, wars would stop. Delusional.

That is why so many of them support bernie sanders, like our in house berniebot here

 

I really have to wonder if there has not been some sort of physical damage to the younger generation which has interfered with their ability to express masculine characteristics in both physical and mental form.  XY people that is.  If so, it may not be reversible.  So you may be correct that Trump could not make certain people 'grow a pair' no matter what he does.

I would note that the idea of modulating sexual expression in order to achieve social goals is not a new idea.  It's been talked about and written about for at least one hundred years.  People have had a rough idea of how to do it since the phenomenon of the freemartin condition in cattle was observed.  As technology and scientific understandings progress it becomes almost trivial to do these sorts of things.  As Dr. Strangelove says, 'It requires only the will to do so."  Of course forced vaccinations and individualized medical records could streamline such programs.

TRUMP's DNA sequenced by the gallon should satisfied enough berniebots looking for a new horizon, a new goal in life... Can't make you grow a pair though

 

It includes a little piece of Trump in every bottle... we won't tell you which piece you got

 

^This isn't even funny.^  Quit advertising for Hillary.     

I hate to say this, but these pictures, disgusting though they are, are all better than the Now-Hillary....

Dollary Trumpton

I see your point. You are supporting free speech and the free exchange of ideas.

 

I am supporting you, by showing you things like this.   

Watch: Trump Reveals What Happened To Obama The Minute He Landed In Cuba – ‘What Are We Doing?!’

Western Journalism.com  by Jack Davis 5:42 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=iW4pv3OZkdc


The lack of respect Cuba showed to President Obama during the president’s arrival in Cuba illustrates the “amateur hour” level of the Obama presidency, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sunday.

When Obama arrived to Cuba on Sunday, Cuban leader Raul Castro, who had greeted Pope Francis and other word leaders in person, was absent.

“We are amateur hour folks,” Trump said while speaking at a Palm Beach, Fla., Republican event. “Amateur hour!”

“Folks, what are we doing? What are we doing?” said Trump, before launching into an explanation of international etiquette.

“Here’s how this whole thing is supposed to work. Number one, his people should call up, ‘Who’s going to be greeting the president?’ If they say ‘nobody’ you don’t go until somebody’s there because you don’t want to look like a fool. And the head of Cuba, who was there for the Pope and was there for other dignitaries, but he wasn’t there for the President of the United States,” Trump said.


Trump said Obama should have departed Cuba rather than endure the diplomatic disrespect.
“He should have turned it around, should have said bye-bye … we’ll see you in a couple of years, maybe a couple of decades.”

Trump put the blame on President Obama.

“And I’m not knocking Castro, if they can get away with this stuff, they’re making a great deal. Because they’re making a deal, it is fine to do it … but honestly, number one, it should never happen, but if it did happen, it’s called: Bye-bye. Get in your plane and go home, but (Obama) got in the car and drove, nobody to shake his hand.”

“Can you imagine if I were in that position and I landed and nobody was there?” Trump asked. “They would say, ‘Donald Trump must be incompetent to allow a thing like this to happen.'”

h/t: BizPac Review