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up trump,the guy as balls men,he is speak ing the mind of americans,he is not afraid of any one especially the Democrat ,his speech about Russia is a good one americans cannot be making enemies all the time,we need friends

I personally don't know that.  I think it highly likely correct, but am not sure and never have been.

From the establishment's point of view you've got two major things at work here:

 - Want the spycraft secret so you can catch unwitting people.  This works less well as more information is out there.

 - Want the surveillance public so that people are afraid to do things which might be construed as being against the will of TPTB.  Obviously this intimidation doesn't work unless people know about it.

One can form a couple of curves here which have a meeting point.

The thing of it is, nothing really surprised me that much in the Snowden disclosures.  Lots of the stuff had been leaked/inferred by attentive techies, and presumably by criminals/terrorists who are on top of things enough to be a genuine threat or otherwise of interest.

To the second point, after the Snowden disclosures and others I know for a fact that some less technical people are, at this point in time, nervous about so much as watching Infowars.com vids on youtube in case they get put on a 'watch list' of some sort.

It is at least possible that the Snowden affair was a psy-op designed to switch the surveillance system to more of an intimidation tool.  I'm not saying I know one way or another, but until I have more confidence than I do currently I would not be in favor of letting Snowden totally off the hook.

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Manning and Assange are different (to me.)  I have a high degree of confidence in (and a lot of gratitude toward) Assange at this point.  I've always felt that Manning did the right thing for the right reasons.  One of the few positive actions of Obama that I can think of was that he commuted Manning's sentence, though it is tempered with the knowledge that he had the guy tortured to suicide levels for however many years.

I think if I were prez and had the ability to do so I would have denied Manning his/her freedom to much on the premature side given his crimes (and they were crimes), but as soon as it was clear the reasons for his actions and any useful info had been extracted, I would have given him a sentence in a minimum security environment and made things as comfortable for him as realistic.  I might even have given him some award or another as well.  I would be mindful of the fact that it is an act of bravery to leak information when no other workable channels are provided, and the lack of these is in a military setting ultimately leads right up to the commander-in-chief's desk.

Up Like Trump... Melania Trump.

Melania looked SO great in her blue Jackie Kennedy-esque suit today at the inauguration & was 100% pure style and poise today.

I'm up with that.

Of course Snowden is the exact enemy of the CIA.  We all know that.  Snowden isn't our enemy, but he is their enemy.

But if he's going to be lined up for execution, there should be thousands ahead of him (most all Democrats, too).

You'd better read these stories in Chechnya. Chechens steal people and use them as slaves. They organized not one contract killing. And the Russian soldiers raped Chechen women? What then judged the Russian General?

Trump 45 seems to have happened!  Would love to see the OP pop back up to celebrate, but I'm not holding my breath.  If Wilikon can/is reading this, thanks for starting the thread and the inputs in critical phases.

Now I switch phase to trying analyze, hopefully fairly, Trump's activities to find out how 'for real' the guy is.

My chief concern at this point (after some relatively recent observations) is that 'first' in 'America First' includes all nation states including ones who's supporters may have extra-ordinary influence here in the U.S.  Specifically, Israel.  I dearly hope that we throttle way back on the 'evil' we do around the globe (and perhaps replace it with 'good' when practicable.)  In spite of my complaints over the years I'm still OK with 'standing with Israel' for certain technical reasons and in appreciation of the attitude of segments of their population, but not if it means being painted as supporters of some of the things that the Zionists tend toward.

In a struggle such as for POTUS, one is expected to fight 'to win' up to a certain threshold that one defines for themselves.  My observation through this thing is that the Trump side was able to remain amazingly ethical.  Not that I expect that they would not have gone farther if the need was there, but it was simply a good strategy to stay well behind the line.

As far as I can tell, there were a number of groups which worked toward the goal of a Trump presidency, but they did so with relatively little coordination, and in many cases perhaps none.  Even so the choreography could hardly have been better.  A hell of a lot had to come together to pull off this rather amazing feat and one which I had not expected to be possible given the forces aligned against the guy.  If I were a religious person I could easily convince myself of divine intervention of some sort.

For my part I consider this thing a fight against 'global corporate technocracy' and I read Trump as the best hope toward this long-term goal (though I don't rule out the possibility that I've been chumped.)  I would say that in this context we are only at the point of having won a preliminary battle.  The adversaries are still around and retain enormous strength and resources.  It would be a big mistake to turn our backs to them.  I believe that the best way forward is to shine the light on their activities of the last century and try to open the eyes of those who've bought into their propaganda (as I myself had to a degree for many years.)  If nothing else this will be much more possible under a Trump presidency if he is even part way 'for real.'

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I am on it right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Congressional_concerns

Any better links to learn, as I am not trusting Wiki for true info.
You/me can edit to suit agendas and here https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3342 but have no clue what to search for.
Any help appreciated I love to learn.

My current thesis is that the CIA is basically the inteligence and operational wing for the shadow government and has been since it's founding.

As the shadow govt became more of a factor here in the U.S., and more 'global' in it's make-up, the CIA became less 'American' in it's mandate and operations.

U.S. law involving the scope of CIA operations was generally considered in operations for a long period, but these rules were increasingly bent to allow 'inefficiencies' introduced by annoying rules to be worked around.

I sense that something changed around 2013.  We could see it, to a degree, in the Smith-Mundt 'modernization' and increased scope of military resource availability and the like.  What I think may have happened was that the American population itself was re-classified as a potential enemy.  This would make sense from a 'global governance' perspective and has a lot of explainitory power when I analyze various observations.

So, my interest in who heads up the CIA is that they are a nationalist and someone who would be genuinely offended at some of the direct insults of the organization against the American people.  Hopefully an active person who would not be content to simply 'dial down' certain activities for a while, but would like to amputate and cauterize big parts of it.  Hopefully Pompeo is such a person but I have no idea if this is the case.  Flynn, as Pompeo's boss and someone who seems to have bumped pee-pees with the CIA in a major way over his career, could help this process along and I dearly hope that he does so.

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Lets hope Flynn to give him sound advice then, if he waivers would Flynn reprimand him.

I was actually losing a lot of faith in the new administration, but now your post gives me a slight edge to hold on for a bit longer.
I guess it is not worth worrying until at least six months into the running of the USA.

Also remember that Flynn is this Pomeo guy new boss.  I think I am reading the report correctly.  If so then I will trust Flynn to police this Pompeo guy

I am OK with the selection of Pompeo. ISIS terrorists doesn't deserve any humane treatment. Just a few weeks back, I read the story of a 9-year old Yazidi girl, who became pregnant, after she was used as a sex slave by the Caliphate morons. Such people doesn't deserve an iota of mercy. Pompeo can ship them to Guantanamo and have fun with them.

Trump’s pick for CIA director has called for Snowden’s execution

This is exactly the kind of person that should not be in politics, and literally, thousands of people are like him.


I would like to know what his stance is now, is he a flip flopper, I just done a small amount of research on this guy, and I would not give him a job.


President-elect Donald Trump has tapped Republican Rep. Mike Pompeo of Kansas to head the Central Intelligence Agency, putting a hawkish lawmaker who favors brutally interrogating detainees and expanding the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in charge of America’s premier spy agency.

Is Trump really picking this rubbish? this Admin is starting to look more ominous each and every day, it's really sad.

I like Flynn he is a real truth to power type guy.

I like him

Bitbobb and Racey:

Thanks for the input on Giuliani and Pieczenik both.  Will welcome any observations and/or gut feelings (though not necessarily adopt them for myself without analysis of course.)

Along these lines, I'm a big fan of General Flynn, but I don't disregard the fact that he co-authored a book with Michael Ledeen; a man labeled an 'agent of foreign influence' and to toxic even for the GW Bush administration!  Hopefully the two cooperated simply on their merits as informed and intelligent people rather than totally confluent broader ideas involving the U.S.'s global activities.  But who knows?

Heroic lol I just seen something very different.

 Giuliani Caught In Bizarre Building 7 Lie


If true at all he should not get a job with the Trump admin.
Thanks for the 911 memories, I did read all about him at the time, but totally forgot about it.
Weird how much you forget about 911.

I do not trust Steve Pieczenik.  You can have him.  He is not putting arguments out that make sense or hold water.  And he is willing to consider research the same as reading stuff from the internet.  That is a disgrace to real researchers everywhere.

     And a little known fact about Giuliani that you might not know is that after the "attacks" on 9-11 Giuliani responded within minutes.  And he was on his way into building #7 where his newly opened 24 hour emergency command center for NY city was built.  And he was grabbed and stopped from going into the building.  In other words he did not know that building was about to come down and his life was saved by some person when they stopped him from going inside.

     When I found this account of his heroic response time and how he was kept out of building #7 I think he was a good guy who was not involved in the lie.

Giuliani is an interesting case for those of us who've studied 9/11.  There is no way that he was not in on it to one degree or another.  The really damning thing is that he shamelessly milked it for political reasons until he was a laughing stock to all.

If Trump is serious about 'draining the swamp', I would expect him to hire people who know where the bodies are buried.  If I were Trump (assuming he's not a sell-out) I'd try to figure out how to give the Giuliani immunity in exchange for the work I wanted done, but also to try to 'contract' it out so Giuliani (if he would do it) could work outside of the government.  He's simply to toxic no matter what his internal disposition.  Interestingly, Steve Peiczenik who is quite outspoken about the 9/11 false flag and others, promotes Giuliani heavily.  Not sure what that means...in part because I'm still trying to figure out Pieczenik.

Why did they name names without confirmation, I know the msm do this all the time, but it seems the lesson is not learned yet.
I seen a lot of animosity on social media sites, of some of the names drawn out of thin air got them up in arms.
And I was agreeing with them, nice to see your list although not confirmed  
Do you think Rudy Giuliani will get a top job?
I see CNN are on his case over immigration.

Just read an NPR story about Trump's picks for attny gen (Sessions), NatSec (Flynn), and CIA (Pompeo).

Much of the earlier ruminations seem to have been whole-cloth fabrications by the lamestream media in order to try to further an anti-Trump narrative.  This mainstream media body is trying to position themselves as the 'non-fake news' sources which is a laughable inversion that many people are not buying.  NPR's content is scientifically toxic, but the fact is that their listenership are, while indoctrinated drones, not low-info people lacking in IQ or analytical abilities (generally speaking.)  NPR thus has less latitude in flat-out lying.

Anyway, I'm delighted with these three picks, or at least two of them since I have little knowledge of Pompeo but a residual bad taste which may well have been left over from my days as a more left-wing indoctrinated droid.   Not only do I find Flynn and Sessions to be good guys (I'm 'Flynn/Sessions-2017 if Trump meets a bus) but it takes away a couple of highly important positions from crony deep-state insiders and neo-cons who, regrettably, will probably have to play some role in Trumps admin, though hopefully a brief and non-terminal one.  At least that's my current take so far.

Pepe is very happy with Trump being the new president now.

But he's a little worried about Melania.

Pepe thinks she's an SJW.

She pledged that she will go after "cyber bullying" once she's the first lady.... that's so retarded.

That's not a good sign. "Cyber Bullying" might be a distraction to go after our free speech.

If the trumps disappoint us they will feel all the wrath of the meme wars coming back at them, mark Pepe's words.