Topic: U.S. Aircraft Strike ISIS Targets in Iraq - page 4. (Read 3769 times)
This doesn't have anything to do with our hesitancy in the subject. With a deeply sectarian and divisive leader of Iraq (Maliki) it isn't a good tactic to promote said individual when the IS garners most of its support by relying on that sectarian imagery and threat from Maliki.
People blame Maliki as if his 'sins' justify what ISIS are doing. Wahhabism is the root of the problem. It's politics. Give them time to commit their atrocities, so the US will look like the great saviour.That being said, I fully support any country that will bomb these fucks out of existence.
Considering the IS hates Saudi Arabia, simply blaming Wahhabism is a bit reductionist, and not very accurate. And yes, Maliki is a large part of the current problem. the IS aren't the majority actors in this fighting and Maliki had a direct role in killing the momentum of the Awakening movement against Al Qaeda. 
U.S. Actions in Iraq Fueled Rise of a Rebel
Baghdadi of ISIS Pushes an Islamist Crusade
More...http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html
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Baghdadi of ISIS Pushes an Islamist Crusade
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BAGHDAD — When American forces raided a home near Falluja during the turbulent 2004 offensive against the Iraqi Sunni insurgency, they got the hard-core militants they had been looking for. They also picked up an apparent hanger-on, an Iraqi man in his early 30s whom they knew nothing about.
The Americans duly registered his name as they processed him and the others at the Camp Bucca detention center: Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badry.
That once-peripheral figure has become known to the world now as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-appointed caliph of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and the architect of its violent campaign to redraw the map of the Middle East.
“He was a street thug when we picked him up in 2004,” said a Pentagon official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. “It’s hard to imagine we could have had a crystal ball then that would tell us he’d become head of ISIS.”
At every turn, Mr. Baghdadi’s rise has been shaped by the United States’ involvement in Iraq — most of the political changes that fueled his fight, or led to his promotion, were born directly from some American action. And now he has forced a new chapter of that intervention, after ISIS’ military successes and brutal massacres of minorities in its advance prompted President Obama to order airstrikes in Iraq.
The Americans duly registered his name as they processed him and the others at the Camp Bucca detention center: Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badry.
That once-peripheral figure has become known to the world now as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-appointed caliph of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and the architect of its violent campaign to redraw the map of the Middle East.
“He was a street thug when we picked him up in 2004,” said a Pentagon official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. “It’s hard to imagine we could have had a crystal ball then that would tell us he’d become head of ISIS.”
At every turn, Mr. Baghdadi’s rise has been shaped by the United States’ involvement in Iraq — most of the political changes that fueled his fight, or led to his promotion, were born directly from some American action. And now he has forced a new chapter of that intervention, after ISIS’ military successes and brutal massacres of minorities in its advance prompted President Obama to order airstrikes in Iraq.
More...http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html
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1.) President Obama absolutely should not have bombed ISIS when they entered Iraq. That would have only made them stronger in the long run on an ideological level where they are currently, the weakest. A ground expansion can be afforded, and contained, ideological spread is much harder to reign in.
He should have had US forces intervene when the ISIS started to be more then a small nuisance. It was several weeks that the ISIS was fighting until they started making serious headway in taking over most of Iraq. From the time they took over a few cities to the time they took over most of the country was a very short amount of time as the Iraqi military was ill prepared. People blame Maliki as if his 'sins' justify what ISIS are doing. Wahhabism is the root of the problem. It's politics. Give them time to commit their atrocities, so the US will look like the great saviour.That being said, I fully support any country that will bomb these fucks out of existence.
Malikis faults here is that he actually to prosecute and mistreated or at least didn't do his job to protect Sunnis, Sunnis in Iraq became second class citizen after Shiites took control hence creating tensions in the country this obviously facilitated the access of ISIS into Iraq, not only that but I think the fact that the country getting split is also his fault in part (I don't know if Kurds deserves their country or not as I'm literate enough on their history) and providing no proper defense to his people.
ISIS are doing whatever sense, in Iraq while even Lebanon is dealing with them without a proper heck even Hezbollah has no problem to deal with them which is a prove that it doesn't require much to deal with them.
People blame Maliki as if his 'sins' justify what ISIS are doing. Wahhabism is the root of the problem. It's politics. Give them time to commit their atrocities, so the US will look like the great saviour.That being said, I fully support any country that will bomb these fucks out of existence.
Al Maliki himself is part of the problem. His ultra-bias towards the Shiite Arabs forced at least a section of the Sunni Arabs to ally with the ISIS and to extract revenge (even those who are secular, such as the supporters of the Ba'ath party). Wahabbism is the root problem, but ISIS would have never grown this big without the extreme incompetence from Nouri Al Maliki.
People blame Maliki as if his 'sins' justify what ISIS are doing. Wahhabism is the root of the problem. It's politics. Give them time to commit their atrocities, so the US will look like the great saviour.That being said, I fully support any country that will bomb these fucks out of existence.
1.) President Obama absolutely should not have bombed ISIS when they entered Iraq. That would have only made them stronger in the long run on an ideological level where they are currently, the weakest. A ground expansion can be afforded, and contained, ideological spread is much harder to reign in.
2.) Moderate Muslims have always fought against AQI, ISI, ISIS, and now IS. They have also fought on their side as well. Most fighters that are "invading" Iraq aren't religious radicals, nor are they IS.
3.) Twitter is relied upon heavily by terrorist and militant organizations like the Taliban, the IS, Al Nusra, AQAP, Boko Haram, and Al Shabaab. Ignoring or downplaying the presence of Jihadis in these spaces to try to engage in domestic petty politicking is rather douchey, and intellectually dishonest.
2.) Moderate Muslims have always fought against AQI, ISI, ISIS, and now IS. They have also fought on their side as well. Most fighters that are "invading" Iraq aren't religious radicals, nor are they IS.
3.) Twitter is relied upon heavily by terrorist and militant organizations like the Taliban, the IS, Al Nusra, AQAP, Boko Haram, and Al Shabaab. Ignoring or downplaying the presence of Jihadis in these spaces to try to engage in domestic petty politicking is rather douchey, and intellectually dishonest.
This is all just another example of how Religion ruins everything.
A bunch of people in the desert fighting over who can hear the magic voice in their ear clearer than the next guy.
So ridiculous, on so many levels.
Can you explain how is this a religion fault? you have some psychopaths using religion to justify their crimes as any other criminal did does in history, finding an excuse for their crimes.A bunch of people in the desert fighting over who can hear the magic voice in their ear clearer than the next guy.
So ridiculous, on so many levels.
Moderate Muslims have to stand up to ISIS or ISIS may even destroy the Kaaba. Does Maliki use Twitter? Maybe The Regime can start a new hashtag and that will get him to step down .I bet that will work. You could get a job in the admin for that one.
Due geopolitical reasons outside intervention from countries such as Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, Kuweit ect is not possible or at least directly due to previous conflicts with Iraq, and more importantly due Iran influence in current Iraq. Also the US will not let such a thing happen, the only way for other countries to intervene and they asked for it in current case of Libya which is turning to be a second Iraq is trough UN and UN keeping force
This is all just another example of how Religion ruins everything.
Don't blame all the religions. Some religions are pacifist, while some are not.
This is all just another example of how Religion ruins everything.
A bunch of people in the desert fighting over who can hear the magic voice in their ear clearer than the next guy.
So ridiculous, on so many levels.
A bunch of people in the desert fighting over who can hear the magic voice in their ear clearer than the next guy.
So ridiculous, on so many levels.
What was this air strike conducted with? I thought they didn't have anything but Cessna's with bottle rockets.
A few weeks ago, the Iraqi Armed Forces purchased a few second hand Su-25 fighter jets from Belarus. A few were also sold by Russia. These jets are quite old ones, some were reportedly of the Soviet era. But that doesn't matter, as the ISIS is not armed with any SAM batteries. Let's hope that no 9K38 Igla or 9K31 Strela reaches their hands.
So basically they were lucky the aircraft itself wasn't the strike package. Too little, too late. He should have done this the minute they first started marching East across that wide open desert.
If we ever have to go back to Iraq, he owns that. And Maliki refusing to step down just makes things perfect.
If we ever have to go back to Iraq, he owns that. And Maliki refusing to step down just makes things perfect.
What was this air strike conducted with? I thought they didn't have anything but Cessna's with bottle rockets.
They have gathered a few MiG's over the last several years (some bought, others found in Serbia where Hussein sent them in the 80s for repairs and could never bring them back after sanctions were imposed), and more recently bought some Su-25s specifically for combating the ISIS forces.Basically they have a bunch of 30-40 year old jets.
Maliki 'forced out' as Iraq's prime minister
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/nouri-al-maliki-iraq-forced-out-prime-minister
Iraq's embattled prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, appeared to have lost his job on Monday, after the country's president appointed a rival Shia candidate to form a new government.
In a major defeat for Maliki, Iraq's largest coalition of Shia political parties nominated Haider al-Abadi, a member of Maliki's Shia Islamist Dawa party, to take over as prime minister.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/nouri-al-maliki-iraq-forced-out-prime-minister
Iraq's embattled prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, appeared to have lost his job on Monday, after the country's president appointed a rival Shia candidate to form a new government.
In a major defeat for Maliki, Iraq's largest coalition of Shia political parties nominated Haider al-Abadi, a member of Maliki's Shia Islamist Dawa party, to take over as prime minister.
they should take it in turns and have 3 leaders run the country.. one sunni one shia and one kurd.
that worked for the romans
This one works with Singapore too.
What was this air strike conducted with? I thought they didn't have anything but Cessna's with bottle rockets.
Wow if that is accurate this could get really ugly. We definitely do not want to get dragged into fights between Muslim sects.
imo there just is no way that that tweet could be authentic.. an Islamic fundamentalist group that declares war against all of Islam has got to be one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.
chances are it is propaganda that was planted to stir up sectarian violence against ISIS in the region... but even if it is ISIS.. it will only serve to hasten their demise. there is not a single regime on earth that can exist on fear and hatred alone without any external help.
I suspect so. The alternative is just too crazy. Maybe if accurate it is a good thing for Muslims to see how extreme this group is.
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