Topic: U.S. Aircraft Strike ISIS Targets in Iraq - page 5. (Read 3769 times)

if you think ISIS has nothing to do with US or Israeli foreign policy then you must be living under a rock.
there is even some suggestion in some parts of the media that ISIS were initially trained by the US and Mossad to fight the Assad regime... I do not know how credible those reports and they may very well be based on Iranian propaganda but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they turned out to be at least partially true.

I think only ed snowden has the real truth about how much the US and Isreal were involved so we have to wait to see what he shows the world.

here is some food for thought

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-how-us-involvement-in-iraq-shaped-the-rise-of-isis-leader/articleshow/40061144.cms

imo there just is no way that that tweet could be authentic.. an Islamic fundamentalist group that declares war against all of Islam has got to be one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

chances are it is propaganda that was planted to stir up sectarian violence against ISIS in the region... but even if it is ISIS.. it will only serve to hasten their demise.  there is not a single regime on earth that can exist on fear and hatred alone without any external help.

The renaming of ISIS/L to IS makes clear of their true intentions. Their ultimate aim is to establish an Islamic Caliphate (al dawlah al islamīyah) all over the world. If someone thinks that they just want Islamic rule over Syria and Iraq, then they are grossly mistaken.

Not yet, they are probably busy on the phone pushing and lobbying for a larger military operation so they can sell more arms, not only that but sell more to Iraqi goverment and all the proximity countries

There is no such group as ISIS or ISIL. They are now just IS.
In any case, it should not be a surprise to anyone. We lost the war in Iraq then refused to help in Syria.  Now the the civil war is underway to determine the future of the region. Airstrikes are not going to do anything without trained and motivated ground fighters.
This should concern us. Members of IS have aspirations of a global caliphate base in Raqqa. It's not going to work, but they are going to hurt a lot of people before they lose.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5547635.html

Reported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca, 'Kill Those Who Worship Stones' [UPDATE]

UPDATE 4:14 PM--
The Twitter account https://twitter.com/nm8smyh, which sent the original message, has been suspended. The authenticity of the account as belonging to an ISIS member has not been verified.

A reported member of the militant group Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), which recently dubbed itself simply as The Islamic State, has declared that they will destroy the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which is Islam's most holy site.

APA quoted alleged ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi based on reports from Turkish media, who said on Twitter:

If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah.
ISIS reportedly is planning to take over the city of Arar in Saudi Arabia, which is very close to the Iraq border. It is a fifteen-hour drive away from Mecca, the site of the Hajj pilgrimage which all observant Muslims are expected to do at least once.

If indeed the statement is from an ISIS member, it's a shocking one even for them, considering that ISIS has been attempting to increase recruitment from Muslims worldwide by declaring the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate.

According to John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, "In terms of legitimacy- unless you're someone who's ready to join a terrorist group at this point, for the vast majority of Muslims there is no legitimacy with this group." This most recent threat reinforces Esposito's point, particularly as it comes during the holy month of Ramadan.

This piece has been updated to reflect the lack of authentication behind the reported tweet.

mission creep a possibility? how long did George bush say this war in Iraq was going to take? 6 months? how long ago was that?  lolz

the problem is that politicians never have any long term vision. Obama was happy to keep kicking george bush's can down the road as long as the proverbial sh*t didn't hit the fan.

Will have to see where it goes. Mission creep is always a big possibility, but for now President Obama seems to want to keep any engagement very limited and doesn't want to be seen as taking the offensive for the Iraqi government or Kurds.

The senior staff in all the companies of the defense industry must be walking around with giant raging erections. Its the ideal scenario for them.

ISIS is terrible. They have a habit of beheading people and literally crucifying Christians.Good thing we are spending millions of dollars to bomb millions in tanks and apcs that we paid for.

This is a mess we created. A little foresight could have avoided this but getting our troops out of the country was apparently more important than maintaining a stable situation. Our foreign policy is so ham handed.

they should take it in turns and have 3 leaders run the country.. one sunni one shia and one kurd.
 that worked for the romans

I agree with this and I thought about this for a while, but it doesn't matter really as any decision he'll make would be blocked anyway, not only that but he needs to take into consideration his carrier after his presidency, I guess it's hard to go counter the flow of things, and the only president to do in our dear west in recent years is probably Jacques Chirac, which wasn't a tool that flow anything he was told.

Maliki 'forced out' as Iraq's prime minister

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/nouri-al-maliki-iraq-forced-out-prime-minister

Iraq's embattled prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, appeared to have lost his job on Monday, after the country's president appointed a rival Shia candidate to form a new government.
In a major defeat for Maliki, Iraq's largest coalition of Shia political parties nominated Haider al-Abadi, a member of Maliki's Shia Islamist Dawa party, to take over as prime minister.

as a wise man pointed out to me recently however... its Obama's second term.. he cant run for president again.. so he should just man up and play hard ball where it counts.
the world wont remember the little president that could... the world is only going to remember the great president that did stand up for what he personally believed in.
Obama care was a great idea but it may yet get torn down.... a real and lasting peace agreement somewhere... now that would be worthy of a nobel peace prize.

what simply happened to Obama is just what happens to the any naïfs politician that thinks that he has the power of decision, well reality is the US is rulled by strong lobbies, being it economical ones, such as the energy sector and among them Oil of course, or defense and weapon cartels that wants to sell more weapon, and political foreign lobbies, such AIPAC which by far has the US helf by the balls, or Saudi Arabia for example

I absolutely detest the people who gave the US; George bush, liberal gun laws and the Tea party. but in all honesty... you guys would probably be safer with someone like John McCain running the place in a time of crisis at least he would stick to his convictions and make tough decisions.  Obama on the other hand .. you don't know what he's going to do next... I know it must be tough trying to get things done when congress is blocking everything.. but he seems to just change direction every-time he thinks he is going to make a political enemy.

oh no I wont get tough on Isreal they are going to get angry at me.. oh no I cant support the revolution in Libya, Syria and Egypt then more Muslims might get angry... oh no I better not close down gwantanamo more angry people might be let loose. better not deploy US troops all those soldiers angry mothers are going come at me....

when he first came in to office I had high hopes for Obama and the world, but I'm really starting to wonder what happened to "Yes we can"

lol.. Syrians are not involved at all. Turks and Russians are limiting their role to delivering food and water aid. Iranians are active on ground, but they are not conducting any air missions.