Topic: U.S. Contemplating Isolating Russia from SWIFT Banking System - page 2. (Read 850 times)

If the US worries so much about the Russian invasion, it's these Kaliningrad and Transnistria they should take. These places are very far from the Russian borders so why do they need Ukraine when they can get these Kaliningrad and Transnistria easily.  Not very close to its borders. There may not need for war for that.

NATO is very divided upon imposing this Swift sanction because the EU is not into it. EU knows it's not worth it with the US side. They know the US couldn't build projects that will benefit the economy of EU countries. The EU wouldn't need the US for oil soon so there goes the claim for being the largest.

Bullshit and you know it! What minorities? Minorities created by Russia with forced relocations?
They brought in millions of Russians during the USSR times and know they claim they are defending their population, time for Spain to invade Argentina to protect the spanish people.


Russia and democracy, what a joke, they enforce corruption and poverty


Funny how the Russian army was present in all those countries, and before the US in all cases.


Again, a reality check:
USA is becoming China's second-largest gas supplier!!
Seriously stop devouring RT's propaganda like there is no tomorrow and start asking yourself some common sense questions.

Russia is maintaining that region for peacekeeping, if they are not present in that region minorities will just start a war of their own. Russia keeps the peace in the region and does not enforce thier own democracy because the majority of the people there are Ukrain and Russian speaking. Kaliningrad was a ruined city after the war and was rebuilt already thanks to Russia they help restore it back as they were before the war. The Russian never travel far going to the west for "peacekeeping" which I know this word will also be different when we talk about Iraq, Libya, Syria, or Afghanistan.

If there is any region that the US could easily help and take from Russia, its Kaliningrad and Transnistria so why Ukraine? Kaliningrad seems a progressive place already.

Gas price is very high in the US today. It's not a secret. I'm not sure if we can extract gas from apples but that should be a good option for the source.

A lot of times, you can look at West Germany and East Germany since we're talking about them. South Korea North Korea? Japan?
Also, there is a slight difference, the USA has never occupied and never left as Russia did, Russia still holds Kaliningrad, still holds Transnistria, why? And since we're at comparisons, what country that Russia has occupied has welcomed them a few years later or is not trying to distance themselves as much as they can? Can you point out a country that has become wealthy because of its alliance with Russia?
With the US, seems like even their former enemies are missing them when they realize the alternative is far worse if Vietnam welcomes US carriers in their ports, don't you think a lot have realized what you should also by now?



Again brainwashing communist propaganda about the US wanting oil..
The US is the largest producer of oil, the US is exporting now gas to Europe, the US couldn't give a fuck about that gas when Apple alone has a revenue of 350 billion while Russia's total oil and gas exports were 150 billion.
Do these numbers finally get in your head the reality checked need to see what is the economical difference between these two?

Russia has explicitly told the world they have no plan of invading Ukraine. Why would they tell this to the world and to their people while doing the opposite?
Let's say Russia really will invade Ukraine. It's incredibly crazy that thier solution is to join Nato to start a war. So they better ask themselves how many times the US had "occupied" a country that ended up good?  It will only end up that the US will invade Ukraine and Russia to start harvesting the oil from that Nord Stream.

It's been clear they have been blocking the rise of China because of their influence in different countries through thier trade routes. Russia has only started its influence thru this Nord Stream, the US is now trying to block their rise too through sanctions such as this Swift.

Can't they just build something on their own in South America, Venezuela has lots of oil too, they should negotiate and build thier own if friendly competition is really what they are up to.

The stance from Germany is understandable. German industry is heavily dependent on natural gas from Russia, which flows through the Nord Stream pipeline. These industries will run in to losses, if they have to use the expensive LNG from United States or Qatar. The German companies have the choice to sell the cheap Russian piped gas at inflated spot rates to neighbors such as Poland, and they are benefitting now as the spot price is manytimes higher than the price of piped gas. And on top of that, the stupid Greens have forced all of the nuclear plants to close down.

I was born in the USSR, on the territory of today's Russia. I have relatives there. Until 2014 I went there. I have seen how people in Russia have been pumped up with propaganda since 2000. Working in a company in Donetsk, I saw how in 2010 they were already talking in full about the "Russian world", "under-Ukrainians", "take everything away and make Russia everywhere" ... I don't need about films. I saw how people's morality degraded, how propaganda corrupted their brains. They can talk to you about absolutely mutually exclusive things during one dialogue, and for them this is the norm, the main thing for them is to justify their actions and crimes in any way ...

Like any other race, none of us wishes the destruction of other countries. The movies we saw in Hollywood where Russians are all antagonists are just in movies, if they only stop doing that people will not see Russians that way. We keep creating movies where the Chinese are the antagonist, people are around the world will also be brainwashed that all Chinese are antagonists. Don't get influenced by those movies. As much as possible like any other race, we should preserve each other.

Every country has its own state channels actaully but I find the British, German, Polish, and Russian channels to have sync many times. 

Of course, the civilian population suffers first of all, the soldiers of the army of the country subjected to aggression, the infrastructure of the country subjected to aggression. These are forced victims, which, with aggression, cannot be avoided. On the other hand, there is the aggressor and his people. After all, it is not Putin who kills Ukrainians in Ukraine... Ukrainians are killed by ordinary residents of Russia. But what is their motivation is also a question. Someone really believes in the propaganda of Russian state channels... And very many, as it turns out, go to kill Ukrainians because... they have no income at home, they live very poorly, and they pay good money for killing their neighbors !!! Do you understand how much Russia is a totally degraded country, people, mentality and morality?!

It's always the people of both sides who will suffer including the soldiers who just follow orders. These soldiers have families and loves ones who will likely go home dead and their kids of their kids grow the hate against other countries all because the leaders can't find the way to just make deals and agreements and then make money with what's on the table.

Germany has essentially vetoed the suggestion of excluding Russia from the Swift interbank system. Even Friedrich Merz the opposition of the German government had also opposed the suggestion. I think they already realized that Europe is dependent on Russia's oil and it will hit thier economy if something like that would happen.

Agreed with this and the same is happening all around the world. Look at North Korea. The ordinary people are starving as a result of the embargoes and sanctions imposed by the United States. But at the same time, Kim Jong Un is enjoying his lifestyle with luxury items like Parmesan cheese and champagne from Moët & Chandon. The same will happen if a war breaks out between the NATO and Russia. Russian civilians will suffer from loss of life and wealth, and the American public will suffer from hyperinflation. In the short term, crude oil prices will shot up to $200 or $300 per barrel and that will bring another round of economic recession.

That is the thing with political chess playing. When nations attack each other, literally in a war, soldiers and civilians die but politicians rarely get ousted, they just keep their places. You will see, if Russia attacks Ukraine, the political leaders of Ukraine will be fine, Putin will be fine, it would be soldiers and civilians that die.

Same happens with economical warfare as well, politicians are already rich, if this happens, regular citizens will be having economical problems, and politicians do not care about anything at all. Putin will be fine, if anyone goes against him in an election, he will just get them killed and he will be fine. So all in all this will only hurt regular people and not the people at the top.

The people that wants to live earnestly will be the one that's going to be suffering the most in this situation, Putin and his cronies are well off already so I am pretty sure that they don't care what happens in this situation, they can always just rebuild at the expense of their own people. A lot of countries have been to this kind of situation and we somehow know how it ends.

Today, Russia is not even the "pale shadow" of the USSR, it is the decaying corpse of the USSR. The entire economy is built on the residual elements of the economy of the USSR, and nothing fundamental, since the collapse of the USSR, the RSFSR, it is the Russian Federation, has not created anything new!
Regarding the conduct of wars - Russia, NEVER, attacked those who would be commensurate in strength! The objects of Russian terror have always been countries that are guaranteed to be unable to fight back and defend themselves! Being technologically backward, vile and cowardly, military operations are always conducted against the civilian population, the purpose of which is to TERROR and morally suppress the civilian population. There are a lot of examples - Ichkeria, Georgia, Syria, Libya, ..... Hospitals, residential areas, schools bombed from a height - is it waging war? No, this is TERRORISM! Vile, cowardly, deceitful terrorism. That is why, yesterday, at the talks, Russia was "dipped headlong into the toilet", stopping their flow of hysterics, ultimatums, and threats.

Russia is not the USSR!

The difference is of 15 states less, with a drop of the population from 280 million to 147 million, in 1989 USSR's economy was 2.5 trillion while the US was at 4.8. Now, Russia has 1.5 trillion, the US 20 trillion, the EU 17.
Before 1989 the USSR could rely on the Warsaw Pact, East Germany has joined West Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic,  Hungary have all joined Nato and the EU.

Russia has nowhere near the power or the influence the USSR had, and apart from bullying its neighbors and threatening with the only thing they can "produce", oil and gas there is nothing, absolutely nothing.

Who would use this system and why? Tell me any economical reason for some company that does 100 billion in the EU and 10 cents in trade with Rusia to adopt it.


And Russia has the capability of defeating the west? Lol...
Neither Russia nor the USSR nor the Russian Empire has ever fought alone against the whole of Europe,  two hundred years ago or right now, even the idea is just ridiculous.

As history and facts show, apart from nasty things, Russia cannot do something normally. And even more so its banking FULL system, with payments and other things. At least because Russia is a technologically backward country. It is not without reason that one of the parts of the sanctions is a ban on the supply of technologies and technological equipment. What would you understand - being an oil and gas "monster" country, Russia does not have its own technologies for developing oil and gas fields, except for those with surface occurrence. All other production, all the time, is realized only with the help of foreign equipment and technologies! What banking systems? What is the imposition of one's will? Forbid them to use Western technologies, and in 2-3 years they will fall apart, and again, out of habit, they will beg for food from the USA and others

One question - what is NEW, PROGRESSIVE, what the whole world uses, has been created in Russia over the past 30 years?

UPDATE

About sanctions that have not yet been applied, but only promised:
1. The Moscow Exchange Index collapsed by 6.5%. Shares of leading Russian companies fell from 5 to 10%
2. Government shares collapsed, and the National Welfare Fund. The fund lost about 750 billion rubles in 2 days. The total losses of the Russian budget in 2 days amounted to about 2 trillion rubles ...
3. Germany's attempt to play into the hands of Russia only made things worse. After the publication in the German press, information that "the Western allies decided not to disconnect Russia from SWIFT." A few hours later they were refuted by the OFFICIAL statement of the USA, which immediately caused a reaction - a collapse on the Russian stock exchanges.

Russia would definitely create their own banking system and I am pretty sure that they will force their will upon other countries because they are a superpower after all, I am pretty sure that they won't be easily intimidated by that threat, they're one of the main participants in Cold War and I am sure that this threat is nothing to them especially with Putin still on the seat of power, he won't be budging easily.

Unfortunately, stabilization is still far away, and will be far away. It is necessary to understand one simple, but very important thing. Kremlin policy is not Putin. Putin is a collective image of the "leader of the nation in the Russian way" - vile, deceitful, cowardly, with a sickly fantasy and manners of the "ruler of the universe", a defective copy of Hitler.
No, Putin is not evil, Putin is just the physical realization of the dreams of Russians. If you remove it now (they can even do it themselves), tomorrow they will choose exactly the same one, they will continue to sit up to their necks in shit, and "proud of greatness" and the fact that "everyone is afraid of them"
The end of rashism will come with the division of Russia into independent, liberated republics, and provided that the Russian politicians / generals / and their servants who are responsible for what has happened over the past 30-40 years will be identified, caught and severely punished. Believe me, a world evil was born a century ago - German Nazism. Tens of millions of people became its victims. But after the destruction of Nazism, the world missed the birth of an even more terrible regime, which even before Nazism destroyed more people, and then many more tens of millions of people. RASHISM! It is the cancer of the modern world. There are already metastases, and the question of fighting such a disease is only in the complete destruction of the cells of this disease, otherwise nothing will work ....

If you are not a Russian speaker, you will find it hard to believe. But it is enough to look at the rhetoric on all TV channels, to listen to ordinary residents - most of them consider the whole world to be freaks and underhuman. They really want to destroy, enslave, steal and appropriate. This is their genetic habit. Find a Russian speaker, turn on their TV programs from the main channels (alternative ones have not been there for a long time), and ask them to translate for you. Stock up on heart medication...

Therefore, I believe that the United States has chosen the right path, economic strangulation sent the parent of this monster, the USSR, to the next world. I hope his geek will also destroy him, but this time no one will help them preserve and restore the country ... They, the bearers of rashism, do not know what gratitude, honor and dignity are

Now the political and military situation around the gangster actions of Putin and his entourage is inflated to the limit. Moscow’s reckless and brazen actions when Russia attacked Georgia in 2008 did not receive the proper reaction and actions from the world’s states, so Putin thought that everything was allowed to him and his further such actions would go unpunished. Therefore, in 2014, Putin sent his troops into Ukraine, occupying a significant part of its territory. And again, the reaction of Europe and the United States was very inadequate and amounted either to "deep concern" or to not very effective economic sanctions. Lately, Putin has been blackmailing Europe and NATO, threatening to use military force as well.
 The rest of the world has finally realized that this can affect them too, and therefore Putin's blackmail has recently received a worthy response and rebuff. Now Putin is backed into a corner, because Russia does not have enough economic or military resources to fight the rest of the world.
The outcome of the current tensions will be resolved in the next month and a half, after which the situation will return to normal, and Putin and Russia as a whole will get what they deserve.

The west is doing the right thing. No concessions on the base of armed threats, as that would be then the way forward for any issue in the future. Please, note that when Putin really wanted to invade Crimea, there was no playing, discussion or negotiations. He just did it. Do you not wonder why this time he is just holding the horses right at the border? Even if he wins, he does not win. He may even invade Ukraine, he will not be better of than he was and he will have a complicated diplomatic stance with EU and US to deal with - including sanctions.

Use armed forces to stop Russia? I do not think that would a problem of having them, more of a problem of paying the bill financially and politically.

By the way, you are just mixing this with a theory by which the president of the US is in control of world oil prices? I wonder how that works from your point of view. The Reagan area was far less complex and the US had far more power in comparison.


No, I do not consider Ukraine a satellite, what I am saying is that Putin kind of does. At least he likes to think of it as his backyard. Hybrid war... well you can choose your words, but it is not hybrid, simply undeclared. When Russia wants to take, they take.

Completely independent from Russia? - Sure, on the papers and on the declarations. I wish that were true. You see, that reads to me like saying that Panama is a sovereign country independent from the US. That is only true while US wants it that way.