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I understand that the USA wants to dominate absolutely everything, if an ant happens that they determine they have control over, I think that if India wants to buy from Russia or wherever they are free to do so, isn't it that they preach having all the freedoms? Sometimes a system is not based on just paying attention to what a nation says, but what a country really needs, if you need oil, gas and it is cheap, why not do it? Sometimes this is the kind of thing that many do not understand, the fact that they buy or do not buy from Russia, Putin will continue with the invasion, more so now that they are in need of more oil and gas in Europe.
USA wants to have control over everything and every country that is believed to go high above USA in the future. Though it is a tedious task, few countries have got the ability and one amongst is India. India already have good relation with Russia, so it is continuing its oil and gas trade. Now sanctions are effective and European countries are in need of oil and gas. Why can't USA warn European countries to boycott oil and gas from Russia, but they're warning Russia for accepting payments in Rubles. So, they take different stand based on situation which isn't good for a country like USA.
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White House Press Secretary Jane Sackie said, "We believe that India will not violate US sanctions by buying oil from Russia through discounts." However, he warned India that such a move would lead the world's largest democracy to the wrong side of history.

India's largest refiner, Indian Oil Corporation, bought 3 million barrels of crude oil from Russia, Reuters reported on Monday. This is the first such transaction since Russia launched an operation in Ukraine on February 24. Indian officials also told Reuters that Delhi could accept Russian offers for oil and other products at a special discount.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-india-oil-deal-us-psaki-b2036822.html

It’s was good catch mate.India should changed his view towards the Russia.Because India had a long term with Russia.Their was a myth of IND-Russia was Natural friends.Even in the India wars,Russia stand for India.Which includes Indo-Pakistan and Indo-China.
I understand that the USA wants to dominate absolutely everything, if an ant happens that they determine they have control over, I think that if India wants to buy from Russia or wherever they are free to do so, isn't it that they preach having all the freedoms? Sometimes a system is not based on just paying attention to what a nation says, but what a country really needs, if you need oil, gas and it is cheap, why not do it? Sometimes this is the kind of thing that many do not understand, the fact that they buy or do not buy from Russia, Putin will continue with the invasion, more so now that they are in need of more oil and gas in Europe.
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Well, US always steps in if there are countries that are going to keep on buying oil from Russia. They should just let these countries do their own thing since they can't even control Russia.
Why put their aim at those countries like India if they are buying oil from Russia? They want to control the oil supply and demand in the market? It's cheaper to go directly to them than the world market.
You are right, but this is a problem that has a lot to do with politics, in fact the problem they have with Russia is Geo-political, the USA has a classic style of hegemony since the Second World War, they want to control absolutely everything, and This is something that has global support, the UN, IMF, World Bank, NATO as well as all the renowned organizations that everyone is so afraid of, respect, they are the ones that will always manage the world, that is why it is easier for them Dominate these countries with sanctions to force them to do what they want, even though it means buying cheaper.
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White House Press Secretary Jane Sackie said, "We believe that India will not violate US sanctions by buying oil from Russia through discounts." However, he warned India that such a move would lead the world's largest democracy to the wrong side of history.

India's largest refiner, Indian Oil Corporation, bought 3 million barrels of crude oil from Russia, Reuters reported on Monday. This is the first such transaction since Russia launched an operation in Ukraine on February 24. Indian officials also told Reuters that Delhi could accept Russian offers for oil and other products at a special discount.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-india-oil-deal-us-psaki-b2036822.html

It’s was good catch mate.India should changed his view towards the Russia.Because India had a long term with Russia.Their was a myth of IND-Russia was Natural friends.Even in the India wars,Russia stand for India.Which includes Indo-Pakistan and Indo-China.
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In a weeks time the trade on rupee - ruble trade confirmation will be done. This will help India spend less for the imports against the usage of dollar. The rupee - ruble trade mechanism will help lot of Indian firms to make businesses with ease. Maybe this can affect the relationship of Western Nations with India due to the trade. Some say India is selfish, but every country on its own tries to benefit. India too doing the same while USA is making it an opportunity to make them more powerful.

India and Russia Could Have a Rupee-Ruble Trade Agreement Early Next Week
If something done could help a nation get better and richer, they should not worry about the threat of other nations and just focus on getting richer. There is no sanctions against India, there are sanctions against Russia, which means that Russia can't deal with the west, but India can deal with Russia.

So, all these empty threats means nothing in the face of betterment of a nation. I hate Russia as much as the next guy, Russia is a terrible nation and Putin is a horrible dictator, he is Hitler 2.0 for sure and I hope he is deposed very soon. But if it means that my nation will get richer and better economy if we deal with them, then I would definitely try to do my best to do that.
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China and India, now, using the current situation, are buying up oil from Russia for next to nothing. On the one hand, financing the Kremlin's terrorist regime is evil. On the other hand, Western countries ... buy oil and gas themselves, acting as a sponsor of that very terrorism. Both China and India, quite legitimately, can ask the question "why shouldn't we buy oil on very favorable terms, why are we worse than you"?

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The other way would be through China, which India is currently best buddies with, right?

Concerning the friendship of India and China. Most recently, there was an official visit of a Chinese delegation to China, where China suggested that, in the current situation, the largest regional players India and China "unite" in order to strengthen their position and resolve issues more efficiently. To which India very unequivocally replied "China - go home, we will not unite, because you do not recognize our territories in Tibet, you illegally occupy territories. Until these problems are resolved, there can be no associations"
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My country, Serbia, is sitting on both chairs as well! I don't think it's so much about selfishness, but about the fact that some countries have to cooperate with the Russians if they don't want to run out of resources! Simply, if they cut ties with Russia, there would be chaos in some countries! People would be left without jobs, without the energy needed for the industry to work, which would lead to many big problems! Germany and France are also countries that are on the sidelines, they have imposed some sanctions but they are still trading with the Russians, they are aware that they can't work without them!
I have to say it depends on the geography of where you are as well. I can understand India because I highly doubt that west would be working hard to bring in oil and gas to India all the way from Europe. However, Serbia is a bit closer which means that if they really wanted to and liked, they could have gotten some stuff from them. West will figure out a way to live with independent energy, without needing Russia, that seems to be their future and they are forced that path.

If Serbia wants to, they could go with the same route and try to fix what we are living right now and would not be depending on Russia anymore. Depending on any nation is bad enough anyway, certainly worse if you have neighbors that are getting away from you.
right, it would be worse if the neighbors moved away from us. This can be thought logically, where if we cooperate with the nearest country, it will certainly save costs, and from that it will affect all aspects of the economy. The US certainly will not stop looking for ways to weaken it, even European countries are looking for ways to reduce oil dependence on Russia. while india is willing to accept with special discount, i think this is logical, if you get a cheap price, and we know india and china are good friends with russia
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India is now a country that is very dependent on Russia for oil supply, if India stops supply from Russia it will be a serious problem so that it can make India's economy chaotic, especially India is very difficult to get supplies from Arab countries so it is certain that India will not comply with the USA.
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In a weeks time the trade on rupee - ruble trade confirmation will be done. This will help India spend less for the imports against the usage of dollar. The rupee - ruble trade mechanism will help lot of Indian firms to make businesses with ease. Maybe this can affect the relationship of Western Nations with India due to the trade. Some say India is selfish, but every country on its own tries to benefit. India too doing the same while USA is making it an opportunity to make them more powerful.

India and Russia Could Have a Rupee-Ruble Trade Agreement Early Next Week
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My country, Serbia, is sitting on both chairs as well! I don't think it's so much about selfishness, but about the fact that some countries have to cooperate with the Russians if they don't want to run out of resources! Simply, if they cut ties with Russia, there would be chaos in some countries! People would be left without jobs, without the energy needed for the industry to work, which would lead to many big problems! Germany and France are also countries that are on the sidelines, they have imposed some sanctions but they are still trading with the Russians, they are aware that they can't work without them!
I have to say it depends on the geography of where you are as well. I can understand India because I highly doubt that west would be working hard to bring in oil and gas to India all the way from Europe. However, Serbia is a bit closer which means that if they really wanted to and liked, they could have gotten some stuff from them. West will figure out a way to live with independent energy, without needing Russia, that seems to be their future and they are forced that path.

If Serbia wants to, they could go with the same route and try to fix what we are living right now and would not be depending on Russia anymore. Depending on any nation is bad enough anyway, certainly worse if you have neighbors that are getting away from you.
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Why the US should warn? Don't they believe India is an Independent country? Do they only believe that Ukraine is an independent country? I am not supporting the Russia-Ukraine war anyway. Russia should stop killing people. But not agree with the US, the sanctions given by the USA, not by India or the world. It doesn't necessary to follow the US in every section. India is an independent country and they have the right to take their own decision. They have to think positively for their own nation, not for US or US citizens. The US should stop interfering in every country, it's quite ridiculous they want to role the world.
At first when I read it, it sounded laughable to me that USA sanctions should deter another independent and sovereign nation from making decisions of theirs. If it's India that sanctioned Russia will the USA cease from dealing with Russia on issues that are in their national interest?
Like you rightly said, it's a NO NOthing to war for me in any part of the world, but the USA shouldn't make themselves feel like they control the world, like this is 21st century for crying out loud.
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Turkey and Hungary are playing both sides. Hungary takes money from the EU but doesn't want to impose the same sanctions as the EU, so it's supportive as long as it can leech some profit.
Turkish drones are one of the biggest threats to Russian vehicles in Ukraine and Turkey did not allow Russian military ships to enter The Black Sea so it doesn't seem to support Russia in the war but also wants to keep trading with them. If the whole world would cut ties with Russia they would have to give up and move out of Ukraine but since there's so many selfish countries who want to play both teams we are where we are.

My country, Serbia, is sitting on both chairs as well! I don't think it's so much about selfishness, but about the fact that some countries have to cooperate with the Russians if they don't want to run out of resources! Simply, if they cut ties with Russia, there would be chaos in some countries! People would be left without jobs, without the energy needed for the industry to work, which would lead to many big problems! Germany and France are also countries that are on the sidelines, they have imposed some sanctions but they are still trading with the Russians, they are aware that they can't work without them!
There is another important factor and that is money! As in many other countries, the Russians have a lot of investments in my country as well, huge investments, with that money they probably keep some (many) people under their control! It is simple, big states use money and resources to impose control in all parts of the world! It's not difficult to see which country has more influence in a specific country if you read the current news a little, in the propaganda they use to justify what they are doing you can immediately see which side a country is leaning towards!
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Well, US always steps in if there are countries that are going to keep on buying oil from Russia. They should just let these countries do their own thing since they can't even control Russia.
Why put their aim at those countries like India if they are buying oil from Russia? They want to control the oil supply and demand in the market? It's cheaper to go directly to them than the world market.
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I can say that there is no problem for India in buying Russian oil as it doesn’t violate the Western sanctions. However, providing or assisting Russia with weapons is going to be an entirely different story. If you look at China, Russia is “asking” them for assistance in military equipment, etc., in which raised the concerns of US president Joe Biden and may impose sanctions if China does help Russia in military stuff.

India and China are not the only countries that are against imposing sanctions on Russia! Hungary and Turkey also continue to import oil and gas from Russia, the presidents of both countries said they do not want their nations (millions of people) to freeze next winter, they do not want all these people and their families to lose their jobs and bread! In addition, Turkey has allowed Russian oligarchs to park their yachts and planes in their country and that they can be there and do their jobs as long as they respect the laws of Turkey!
As some analysts say, new world order is being created, and now all countries are taking their own position! When it's all over, it will be important who supported what and who was against whom!

Turkey and Hungary are playing both sides. Hungary takes money from the EU but doesn't want to impose the same sanctions as the EU, so it's supportive as long as it can leech some profit.
Turkish drones are one of the biggest threats to Russian vehicles in Ukraine and Turkey did not allow Russian military ships to enter The Black Sea so it doesn't seem to support Russia in the war but also wants to keep trading with them. If the whole world would cut ties with Russia they would have to give up and move out of Ukraine but since there's so many selfish countries who want to play both teams we are where we are.
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The bad thing about the US government is that they really want to control other countries and if it is related to the opposing country then warnings and even severe sanctions will be given to the country they feel is under their control, now they are trying it on india.  Russia-Ukraine war should not affect global trade, because many other countries need each other, especially oil.
I do not understand the actions of the United States from the logical side. They want to completely abandon all energy raw materials and force the rest of the world to do it. This is a very strong blow to the economies of these countries, for many it is a death sentence. I don’t understand why Biden dictates such conditions to the whole of Europe?
Because US won't care about those countries, what they most want now is to find a way to drown Russia forever. Russia and China are two great powers threatening their global dominance and they know well that this is an opportunity that won't come twice. So they have to use all tricks and brute force to force others to do what they say.
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I think its because Biden wants the whole Europe to suffer but in the end we are all affected to it , imagine the prices now are really high and those who are earning minimum having difficulty of buying their own food. On the other hand the india would really buy if it has discounts as you can see the price of oil is not that affordable now so even my self i would really buy it
They think putting discounts will make other countries do a risky move and buy it but I don't think India will do it because the USA already warned them and if they will still do it, bad things can only happen to them. We should not put the blame to USA but USA only did it for a reason and it can be part of the sanction given by Russia. They are not controlling other countries or what, but we only think they are.

I think the problem is with us, we immediately judge them without knowing what really happens. There are still other sources for oil, not only Russia or India but the only problem is that its too limited, that drives the price of the oil to sky rocket more evenly.
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I can say that there is no problem for India in buying Russian oil as it doesn’t violate the Western sanctions. However, providing or assisting Russia with weapons is going to be an entirely different story. If you look at China, Russia is “asking” them for assistance in military equipment, etc., in which raised the concerns of US president Joe Biden and may impose sanctions if China does help Russia in military stuff.

India and China are not the only countries that are against imposing sanctions on Russia! Hungary and Turkey also continue to import oil and gas from Russia, the presidents of both countries said they do not want their nations (millions of people) to freeze next winter, they do not want all these people and their families to lose their jobs and bread! In addition, Turkey has allowed Russian oligarchs to park their yachts and planes in their country and that they can be there and do their jobs as long as they respect the laws of Turkey!
As some analysts say, new world order is being created, and now all countries are taking their own position! When it's all over, it will be important who supported what and who was against whom!
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I can say that there is no problem for India in buying Russian oil as it doesn’t violate the Western sanctions. However, providing or assisting Russia with weapons is going to be an entirely different story. If you look at China, Russia is “asking” them for assistance in military equipment, etc., in which raised the concerns of US president Joe Biden and may impose sanctions if China does help Russia in military stuff.
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The bad thing about the US government is that they really want to control other countries and if it is related to the opposing country then warnings and even severe sanctions will be given to the country they feel is under their control, now they are trying it on india.  Russia-Ukraine war should not affect global trade, because many other countries need each other, especially oil.
I do not understand the actions of the United States from the logical side. They want to completely abandon all energy raw materials and force the rest of the world to do it. This is a very strong blow to the economies of these countries, for many it is a death sentence. I don’t understand why Biden dictates such conditions to the whole of Europe?

I think its because Biden wants the whole Europe to suffer but in the end we are all affected to it , imagine the prices now are really high and those who are earning minimum having difficulty of buying their own food. On the other hand the india would really buy if it has discounts as you can see the price of oil is not that affordable now so even my self i would really buy it

Of course, India knows which priority must be prioritized, as we know that India is very dependent on oil and gas supplies from Russia so that if they stop their oil business with Russia, it will certainly cause more complicated problems and of course the USA warning will be ignored by India.
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Geopolitics is creating consequences in its corridors, America's nature is to create dependence on the US dollar and reverse other risks.  They are trying to open the door of doubt for India if they want to buy discount Russian oil.  This makes it difficult for consumers in the face of an unstable economic situation and rising inflation.  From a consumer perspective, I would definitely want to buy cheaper to save costs and that I think the Indian government is right in wanting the best for their citizens compared to the price of liquefied oil of America.
In addition, India is the second most populous country in the world, surely having cheaper oil will save huge economic resources for them.
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