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legendary
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In what currency will Russia be willing to accept, and in what currency will India be willing to purchase? It's expected that Russia will never accept the U.S. Dollar, or the Euro. Will payments be in physical Gold/other commodities, because that would only be the logical choice.

I believe, because of the U.S. government's financial cancellation and sanction on Russia, a narrative will surface. "The beginning of distrust over the World Reserve Currency/U.S. Dollar".
sr. member
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Russia sanctions is suppose to be within the EU and NATO countries but India is not part of it, and the restrictions extending there to India ? Russia will discount to more countries that are not NATO or EU for survival for the sale of oil or other products. I don't think India or China will stop buying from Russia, these countries are likely to form an alliance.
I don't think that China and India will be on the same team, remember that they have a border tension back in 2021 so I don't think that they're going to be teaming up anytime soon. Did you base this hypothesis of one picture of an Indian aircraft just going through the Ukrainian airspace not worrying about the war?
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As long as other countries, most known being Germany, keep buying gas and oil from Russia, I'm not convinced that India will care that much about all this. India can easily point fingers and shrug. They'll probably need something more palpable from the richer guys - either a better offer, either some clearer threats - in order to get to care.

Unfortunately the countries and politicians are not as nice, good-willing and united as we'd like to believe. Everybody goes for his own interest as long as it doesn't look so bad to the others, and sometimes even if it looks bad it doesn't matter.
USA could afford to make a deal with Venezuela, what should India do? Just get even worse in economics? I mean we are talking about a nation that already seen enough poverty, and maybe it is better today than 100 years ago, but it is still not good enough that poverty would be gone, there are still tons of people in poverty, even though they now have a lot of rich people as well.

They need to get as cheap oil as possible, as cheap gas as possible and even get as cheap wheat as possible if offered, they need to get under market value everything from all around the world not caring who offers it. That is how you grow as a nation and be better in the future.
legendary
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You clearly not following news or didn't read my full comment?

I read exactly your comment, and I will again claim you're both ignorant and racist when you accuse the western world of caring only about blue eyes poeple, even more so when you think that all Europeans have blue eyes, nobody in my family has blue eyes for example and I'm definitely European.
And posting some random tweets means nothing, just proves how little you know and what stupid misleading sources you have for information.

Triggered much?
Most some more tweets, maybe till the end of the day you will still have time to grab a damn book.

Random tweets eh? lol okay whatever.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
March 16, 2022, 01:18:39 PM
#9
You clearly not following news or didn't read my full comment?

I read exactly your comment, and I will again claim you're both ignorant and racist when you accuse the western world of caring only about blue eyes poeple, even more so when you think that all Europeans have blue eyes, nobody in my family has blue eyes for example and I'm definitely European.
And posting some random tweets means nothing, just proves how little you know and what stupid misleading sources you have for information.

Triggered much?
Most some more tweets, maybe till the end of the day you will still have time to grab a damn book.
legendary
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March 16, 2022, 01:07:55 PM
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That's rich "Wrong side of history" coming from the Western block. How come these brown bastards with their beastly religion not following their masters. Blue eyed, white european from the civilised world are dying and they are not supporting us?

Nice, just shows how uneducated and racist you are, poeple in Ukraine don't have all blue eyes, in fact, they have the lowest percentage of blue eyes in Europe, alongside France and Spain, with less than 1/4 of the population.

This kind of entitlement and racist commentary i have heard in last couple of week from various commentators, think tanks mainly British-USA and for some weird reason couple of Portuguese as well.  
You clearly not following news or didn't read my full comment?


https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/media_bias_ukraine_war.php
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-racist-media-coverage-surprised

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1497974245737050120
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1. The BBC - “It’s very emotional for me because I see European people with blue eyes and blonde hair being killed” - Ukraine’s Deputy Chief Prosecutor, David Sakvarelidze

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2. CBS News

"This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan...This is a relatively civilized, relatively European city" - CBS foreign correspondent Charlie D’Agata

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3. Al-Jazeera

"What's compelling is looking at them, the way they are dressed. These are prosperous, middle-class people. These are not obviously refugees trying to get away from the Middle East...or North Africa. They look like any European family that you'd live next door to."

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4. BFM TV (France)

"We are in the 21st century, we are in a European city and we have cruise missile fire as though we were in Iraq or Afghanistan, can you imagine!?”

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5. The Daily Telegraph

This time, war is wrong because the people look like us and have Instagram and Netflix accounts. It's not in a poor, remote country any more. - Daniel Hannan

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6. ITV (UK)

"The unthinkable has happened...This is not a developing, third world nation; this is Europe!"

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7. BFM TV (France) (again)

"It's an important question. We’re not talking here about Syrians fleeing...We're talking about Europeans."

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9. Guy on Spanish TV news channel La Sexta:

"These aren't like the other children that we've become accustomed to see suffer on TV, these children are blond with blue eyes, [so] this is very important"

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10. Star UK media personality Matthew Wright on ITV's flagship show, "This Morning":

"The US has used [a thermobaric bomb] before in Afghanistan. But the idea of it being used in Europe is stomach-churning."
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
March 16, 2022, 12:51:48 PM
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It's gaining opportunities, Russia can sell oil at less than the world price and still be profitable, and the same for India, Russia is closer to them than Saudi Arabia and they can get them at a discount.

Not on this planet, it's not!
In order for Russia to sell oil through a pipeline, it will have to go in the same direction as the TAPI pipeline, which means Afghanistan (lol), and Pakistan. I'm sure India would love to see them in a position where Pakistan could shut down the oil flow at any moment. The other way would be through China, which India is currently best buddies with, right?
A direct line from the border to oil closest oil field would be around 2800km, if we go from Surgut to New Delphi in a straight line it's around 3600km and might have to cross some mountains, I don't remember clearly which but I have the impression they re some really tall ones  Grin from the main ports of both counties, the distance is 2600.

That being said, I can only hope India will buy Russian oil, it will put more pressure on the African and Arabian states that currently sell oil to India and make them drop the prices or be ousted. So what will they do if they can't sell oil to India anymore?  Cheesy

That's rich "Wrong side of history" coming from the Western block. How come these brown bastards with their beastly religion not following their masters. Blue eyed, white european from the civilised world are dying and they are not supporting us?

Nice, just shows how uneducated and racist you are, poeple in Ukraine don't have all blue eyes, in fact, they have the lowest percentage of blue eyes in Europe, alongside France and Spain, with less than 1/4 of the population.
legendary
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March 16, 2022, 12:04:26 PM
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White House Press Secretary Jane Sackie said, "We believe that India will not violate US sanctions by buying oil from Russia through discounts." However, he warned India that such a move would lead the world's largest democracy to the wrong side of history.

India's largest refiner, Indian Oil Corporation, bought 3 million barrels of crude oil from Russia, Reuters reported on Monday. This is the first such transaction since Russia launched an operation in Ukraine on February 24. Indian officials also told Reuters that Delhi could accept Russian offers for oil and other products at a special discount.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-india-oil-deal-us-psaki-b2036822.html
That's rich "Wrong side of history" coming from the Western block. How come these brown bastards with their beastly religion not following their masters. Blue eyed, white european from the civilised world are dying and they are not supporting us? This kind of entitlement and racist commentary i have heard in last couple of week from various commentators, think tanks mainly British-USA and for some weird reason couple of Portuguese as well. 

Having said that i would suggest that don't go by this single media briefing, this shouldn't hold much weight overall if you're following US-IND bilateral relations, it might hit a few roadblocks due to recent events or reasonable suspicions on both sides but they are getting better day by day. Both countries know that they need each other to contain China (on the other hand US-NATO has no use of India much as far as Russia is concern). Also avoid following any think tank commentary or interweb comments who are still wondering why India is not complying with western sanction or not voting against Russia. Fortunately and surprisingly DC understand the Delhi's situation. 

But in future if (Big if imo) by any chance India is facing any major sanction due to S-400, SSN lease etc then watch out if Beijing is reaching out to Delhi with olive branch.

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March 16, 2022, 10:40:48 AM
#5
Russia sanctions is suppose to be within the EU and NATO countries but India is not part of it, and the restrictions extending there to India ? Russia will discount to more countries that are not NATO or EU for survival for the sale of oil or other products. I don't think India or China will stop buying from Russia, these countries are likely to form an alliance.
legendary
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March 16, 2022, 10:37:14 AM
#4
Does it matter? Many European countries are still buying from Russia. So what's the problem with India? It's hilarious to see when US speaks such non sense because they are the only country who are responsible for the most number of wars in the history of humankind.

Indians didn't forget 1971 war when Bangladesh was liberated from the hold of Pakistan by Indian forces. The entire world was against India except Russia. Russian submarines were present at the warfield by the request of Indian Prime minister Indira Gandhi. Take a little history lesson and you will understand why India refrained from voting against Russia in UN.
legendary
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March 16, 2022, 09:10:39 AM
#3
A complete oil embargo cannot be imposed unless all countries comply with that embargo.
During the sanctions imposed on the Iranian regime, that country sold oil to some countries, and Russia's capabilities are much greater than Iran's.

It's gaining opportunities, Russia can sell oil at less than the world price and still be profitable, and the same for India, Russia is closer to them than Saudi Arabia and they can get them at a discount.

The problem lies in dealing in dollars, and this can be bypassed by using the barter system or by keeping mutual reserves between the two countries without the need to impose financial penalties on them because they did not use the dollar in those operations.
legendary
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March 16, 2022, 07:53:57 AM
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White House Press Secretary Jane Sackie said, "We believe that India will not violate US sanctions by buying oil from Russia through discounts." However, he warned India that such a move would lead the world's largest democracy to the wrong side of history.

India's largest refiner, Indian Oil Corporation, bought 3 million barrels of crude oil from Russia, Reuters reported on Monday. This is the first such transaction since Russia launched an operation in Ukraine on February 24. Indian officials also told Reuters that Delhi could accept Russian offers for oil and other products at a special discount.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-india-oil-deal-us-psaki-b2036822.html

As long as other countries, most known being Germany, keep buying gas and oil from Russia, I'm not convinced that India will care that much about all this. India can easily point fingers and shrug. They'll probably need something more palpable from the richer guys - either a better offer, either some clearer threats - in order to get to care.

Unfortunately the countries and politicians are not as nice, good-willing and united as we'd like to believe. Everybody goes for his own interest as long as it doesn't look so bad to the others, and sometimes even if it looks bad it doesn't matter.
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March 16, 2022, 05:08:40 AM
#1
White House Press Secretary Jane Sackie said, "We believe that India will not violate US sanctions by buying oil from Russia through discounts." However, he warned India that such a move would lead the world's largest democracy to the wrong side of history.

India's largest refiner, Indian Oil Corporation, bought 3 million barrels of crude oil from Russia, Reuters reported on Monday. This is the first such transaction since Russia launched an operation in Ukraine on February 24. Indian officials also told Reuters that Delhi could accept Russian offers for oil and other products at a special discount.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-india-oil-deal-us-psaki-b2036822.html
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