Topic: US warns India over oil deal with Russia - page 3. (Read 768 times)

Not disagreeing with you overall because India-Russia relation goes way back and it's time tested friendship if we check the history books. But want to add few things for more clarity on this topic.

Delhi never use this keyword "Allies" for anyone, instead they use "Strategic partner" which is more appropriate for multipolar world. India desperately want multipolar world not bipolar that's why they try to engage with everyone on diplomacy level and try to balance everything. So far they have been very successful but this is going to tough task in future, although recent QUAD statement which came yesterday is very positive as far as India's position on Russia-Ukraine is concern.

GOI still trying to balance power equation for various reason. Make no mistake Delhi is very pissed at Moscow due to their recent adventure but they can't do much about it for various reasons, mainly due to dependence on weapons (Almost 65% weapons are of Russian origin), although they are diversifying for a quite some time but this is a long and tedious process due to Western block attitude barring France. There is a possibility that situation might change a bit in future (Read QUAD).

And then we already have hot borders with 2 nuclear adversaries. Pissing off 3rd nuclear power doesn't make sense, who happens to be your arm exporter, no matter how much virtual signalling coming from the West because everyone is clear that all they are gonna do is lip service if India is facing 2 front war.

As far as this oil debate goes. India only import 2% of oil from the Russia and even if India increase this share by 7-10% (Which is highly unlikely) I still don't see any sanction on India because last i check there is no ban on Russian oil, traders are not buying it but there is no ban whatsoever. Although if India facilitate this (7-10% oil trade) with Rupee-Ruble then may be, may be situation could get tricky.

I think you are not actually following the news. The USA urges other countries to cut off their business with Russia and India is no exception. They even threaten India to put sanctions if they are not cooperating with them. You are talking about military help for Russia to assist them in the war with Ukraine. I do not think India has that type of capability or guts to assist militarily to a military might like Russia. The only way India could help Russia is by buying Russian oil and gas which the USA warned for.

Joe Biden and Xin Jinping really discussing the Ukraine war situation! when did that happen? I saw Chinese official's statement about supporting Russia and criticizing NATO about their eastern expansion. In terms of military help, I think Russia doesn't need that from china. If there is any country more capable in terms of military might after the USA that is Russia.

Yeah, it's a big problem that there actually is no unity regarding relationship with Russia. Some NATO countries, some European countries are really cutting their ties more and more, while some just don't care that their money is now financing terrorism, quite literally. Germany lost two world wars, but I guess they still didn't learn to choose the right side, unfortunately. And it's even fair that if Germany's okay giving billions of dollars to Russia right now, then India is fine with such things as well. What they don't get is that not cutting ties with Russia is not in their best interests, and that even economically, I'm sure such countries will lose in the end.

They should be and there nothing to be afraid of US especially that they are not small country to be threatened by them. India should do what's best for their country and if this could help to ease the growing inflation happening around the world then they should deal with it, it could also possibly ease the tension towards the crisis happening right now.

In my own opinion, any country including India has to decide what is the best interests of India. India is an independent country and they have the right to take decision. India does not need dictation from the United States.

India should not be jealous with china and they should not copy what china are doing where they continue the transactions from Russia because these two countries are friends and china have no issues with the sanctions but for India? I am not sure of it.

They can say that they are friends with Russia but they can be included on the restricted countries according to the sanctions that is given to Russia. They should not ignore the threats of the USA because if they insist what they are planning then they are going to be the next on the list and they will be awarded by a sanction same with Russia. I do not think they can survive it but Russia can because they are more stronger.

At the end of the day, the government will choose what is best for their country. Because it is their people they are serving here. I understand the sanctions towards Russia. But if they will have penalty for countries who will oppose such sanctions, are they going to carry the burden of India's government, for example? In the end, the government will choose what is best for them. Their citizens need to survive during this pandemic and war crisis. Increasing prices are quite heavy to shoulder by regular people. So they need to weigh things which is best for them.

I think India's stand on this is absolutely correct, they are very good allies with Russia since very long. Now when the whole west has handed over sanctions to Russia, I feel India has been on the side of it's best Ally. But obviously USA wants all the countries to take it's side. I understand that Russia has been aggressive on Ukraine but still the reason Russia is giving is pretty valid.

This is what west wants, Russia is wrong, we all know Russia is wrong and we all know what Russia is doing right now is evil. However west wants everyone around the whole world to stop working with them and helping them get richer. If you keep getting oil from them, you will be getting some sanctions as well, and in that case you will be getting even worse. But if you do not get cheap oil from them, then inflation will be horrible.

Oil is not just for your cars, it increases prices of everything, even your regular food gets higher because all those trucks that get the food from the farms to supermarkets uses fuel. Hence they are saying get worse economically but still decline to work with Russia.

The US is putting pressure on all countries that are buying Russian oil and countries that want to help Russia avoid sanctions from them. US is trying to push the Russian economy into an irreversible abyss.
US president Joe Biden spoke with President Xi Jinping about the ongoing war in Ukraine but are India and China listening to what the US wants?

Iran and Venezuela are said to be two oil suppliers to the US and the world after Saudi Arabia rejected the US offer, but on condition that the US lift all embargoes against those two countries and return all frozen assets.

And bloc do India belong to that has agreed to sanction Russia and could punish India for not doing as agreed? Last I checked it's not in the EU or NATO and the UN hasn't agreed on anything regarding said sanctions.

And seriously, are they asking India to stop buying oil while several EU members are still doing the same?

I have seen in the news lately that India buying oil from Russia isn’t a violation of the Western sanctions, but correct me if I’m wrong though. However, assisting Russia with weapons is a different thing and is a clear violation, in which India is staying away from that.

Lately, both US president Joe Biden and China president Xi Jingping are in a convo discussing about the Ukraine War situation, especially that Russia claims to be asking China for help in providing them military weapons and equipment. US already warned China about that and may face Western sanctions for helping the enemy.

Now US is bracing themselves to find an alternative in buying oil because they have stopped buying Russian oil after these sanctions are made by the Biden administration.

Even though there are threats from America and other powerful countries, India will still carry out transactions with Russia. Actually, India is now in a very difficult position. On the one hand, they are afraid of threats from the NATO countries. Oil is cheap, even though they are threatened by America, India will still buy oil from Russia.

For the government in India, there is no other choice. When the crude oil was trading at $40-$50 per barrel, they increased the taxes and used the tax revenue for various welfare projects. These welfare projects ensured the victory of the ruling party (BJP) during the 2019 general elections. Now the petrol/diesel/natural gas prices have increased in India and there is a lot of popular anger against the government. On top of that, the government is facing a revenue shortfall due to the COVID pandemic.

This is the right time to buy oil and other products from Russia, a great opportunity to cut the price and boost their own economy. How come they would let it slip away, a chance in a lifetime. The country is struggling and you expect them to buy oil at higher prices where there are much cheaper? The thing is it is not just India, there are others too and in European countries are the one should start boycotting first.

This is actually on point but we know that some big countries does really have that kind of supremacy over other countries which turns out that their words will really be ending up like a threat if they

do make out such move which as a leader on a specific country then you would really be that hesitate but its true that this is pertaining on someones economic matters which would really
be beneficial.It is really just that surrounding countries do really look on something transactions which is connected and doesnt look a good one.

China, India and UAE were notable for not voting against Russia resolution and you still think that India is thinking that they can put the blame on Europe especially Germany for getting the oil then you are simplifying the political situation that is ongoing  .

That is politics, if other countries can provide a better deal for the oil be it OPEC or the US they will procure from them, i am no way supporting the right wing government in India but there is a history between India and Russia during a war when US was supporting Pakistan and Russia literally saved India by blocking US in getting involved during the 1971 war. India cannot survive fighting China and Russia, so everything is political and strategical.

 

They said it's not : "illegal"
But at the same time they should also realize that what side they would want to be on when the history books would be written as well. This is what they said , they did not issue a clear cut warning which does mean that there is no way this is going to hurt the whole system but there is a huge chance that US might be ware of the India but at the same time Indians in Ukraine are facing a lot of Racism which is making it harder for the governments to choose the sides in the whole situation, people are getting beaten up as well. I know since I faced the whole situation, Russians are providing fair ground for Indians to escape this situation as well, therefore I do think that the Indian government is quiet at the moment and there seems to be no resolution but they still did send humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

And why not? If this deal goes through, then payment will be made in Russian rubles or Indian rupees. It is beneficial for both countries. These countries need to strengthen their economies and enter the market with their local currency, avoiding the conventional one. If the deal is beneficial for the two countries, then who can stop it?  And if some countries do not give their approval, this will not bother anyone.

India is playing a rather treacherous game in siding with Putin in this war and the politicians of India are taking the country down a dark path. It seems like even China is now starting to regret partnering with Russia because they are so isolated from the most valuable trading economies in the world. The world will always remember this betrayal by India and it is a shame that this supposedly democratic people are not doing more to convince their government to back the right side. There has been zero justification for the invasion of Ukraine and it seems the only thing this country is interested in is profiteering from the blood of innocent people - downright shameful.