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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

Its the same for every American whether you are from here or not. Immigrants have nothing to do with it, its the simple fact that the banker oligarchs are gutting the middle and lower classes and destroying the planet. Your view is not backed up by any relevant data whatsoever.

Lets also keep in mind, America was founded by people who were originally immigrants...

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 05, 2014, 11:14:15 AM

Quote from: Este Nuno on June 05, 2014, 10:55:34 AM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 05, 2014, 10:44:24 AM

Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

Immigration is a good thing. Voluntary and yes even forced immigration built this country. We should have open borders.

Immigration might be a good thing. But open borders would be quite the situation. People from all over the world would be flocking to the US in the millions. There would be violence for sure. Honestly the thought is just scary, and I'm not anti-immigration by any means. But open borders is asking for trouble I think. There are a lot of people in the world who would take advantage of such a situation.

There will be violence either way. I should rephrase what I mean though. I am not advocating a completely lawless border. I would like to see a robust and quick system to allow for orderly immigration. Sort of an open borders policy framework that makes it easy for hard working people to come here and pursue their dreams.

Ah. That sounds reasonable. I think that something like that might be a good idea.

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Quote from: Este Nuno on June 05, 2014, 10:55:34 AM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 05, 2014, 10:44:24 AM

Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

Immigration is a good thing. Voluntary and yes even forced immigration built this country. We should have open borders.

Immigration might be a good thing. But open borders would be quite the situation. People from all over the world would be flocking to the US in the millions. There would be violence for sure. Honestly the thought is just scary, and I'm not anti-immigration by any means. But open borders is asking for trouble I think. There are a lot of people in the world who would take advantage of such a situation.

There will be violence either way. I should rephrase what I mean though. I am not advocating a completely lawless border. I would like to see a robust and quick system to allow for orderly immigration. Sort of an open borders policy framework that makes it easy for hard working people to come here and pursue their dreams.

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 05, 2014, 10:44:24 AM

Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

Immigration is a good thing. Voluntary and yes even forced immigration built this country. We should have open borders.

Immigration might be a good thing. But open borders would be quite the situation. People from all over the world would be flocking to the US in the millions. There would be violence for sure. Honestly the thought is just scary, and I'm not anti-immigration by any means. But open borders is asking for trouble I think. There are a lot of people in the world who would take advantage of such a situation.

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Relation of immigration to crime, in the United States.

Some facts:

1. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide are for illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

2. 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California were illegal aliens in a 1995 report.

Source: http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

Immigration is a good thing. Voluntary and yes even forced immigration built this country. We should have open borders.

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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

- Americans are losing their job

The US has been going downhill for quite a while. Inflation since http://www.bearishnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/us-inflation-since-1913.jpg
The current US policy seems to be to print more money, in effect, causing more inflation. Here is a chart showing the debt of the US https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Dept.svg/990px-Dept.svg.png Here is a debt world map to compare with other countries: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Public_debt_percent_gdp_world_map.PNG There is mass corruption in the world bank and banks, have a look at : https://theawakezone.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/world-bank-whistleblower-reveals-how-the-global-elite-rules-the-world/ This is the main cause for Americans losing their jobs.

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- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion

We have the biggest dragnet surveillance system of the world so crime should have reduced lately, right? Wink

Traffic congestion can be solved in two ways: either less people in cars on the roads, or, wider roads.
Pollution is a world wide problem, have a look at this map http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5241dfceecad04146283235d-1200-600/pollution_excess_deaths_lrg.png In terms of pollution immigrants (and natives) are better of going to the northern hemisphere or Australia.

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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc

I don't understand this one at all. How can you over use these things. I mean they all leave a carbon footprint but America is based around this type of consumerism. I would think it would be considered a good thing.

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The problem with the US is that they are getting too few high-skilled immigrants and they are getting too many of those illiterate and illegal immigrants.

For any person who is working in white-collar fields such as IT, Banking or Medicine, the American Work Visa is extremely difficult to get. The Democrats have made it extremely difficult for Europeans to get the US visa.

The Mexican illegals on the other hand have no such problems. They are being able to travel to and fro as they wish, and work without paying a penny in taxes. They even have sanctuary cities, which protect them.

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Quote from: newflesh on June 05, 2014, 08:34:41 AM

I'm sure the native americans have asked themselves the same things about white american immigrants.

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I'm sure the native americans have asked themselves the same things about white american immigrants.

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America has always been seen as a land of opportunity, a land of new beginnings where it promises fortune and wealth should you prove yourself worthy through merit. Millions of people have migrated there in pursuit of the American Dream. It was a principle which allowed them to attract talent from all over the world and build themselves into the superpower they are today.
So immigration is a good thing. As long as you can make sure those migrants are talented enough to contribute to the growth of your country.

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We can not surely say that USA is adversely affected by Immigrants because if USA will be restricted to Americans only It cant be a super power.USA actually needs talents, best ideas, strategies and other positive qualities across the globe.

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Quote from: vokain on June 05, 2014, 05:53:45 AM

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Quote from: Leina on June 05, 2014, 05:41:54 AM

Not so any longer. Seen people abuse the marriage system, family relation to get their entire family into US. They take more than they give because of subsidy and freebie. And they abuse the credit system and commit tax fraud with no consequence.

And White Americans don't do any of this? Typical guff. You're stereotyping and making mass generalisations.

Leina is referring specifically to the immigrants that used to add value to the US. You're taking a a few sentences out of their context. See text right above the text you quoted.

And he's taking a few immigrants out of context. And he's blaming a small portion of immigrants when a larger percentage of "Americans" will also do the same or similar.

Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 06:03:53 AM

Quote from: vokain on June 05, 2014, 05:32:35 AM

I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.

By cultural erosion i meant the systematic devaluation, sometimes leading to the deletion, of certain aspects of our culture due to foreign influences.Such influences could wipe out a people’s memory of their past; their traditional cultural practices; and their language. Above all, it can change their worldview, including their perception of reality .And here I am talking about the Mexican,Indian and Chinese influence over the native Americans and colonist traditions and language.

What about the Native Americans here? And are you actually American or possibly an immigrant? From previous experiences from you I gathered English wasn't your first language?

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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 06:03:53 AM

Quote from: vokain on June 05, 2014, 05:32:35 AM

I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.

By cultural erosion i meant the systematic devaluation, sometimes leading to the deletion, of certain aspects of our culture due to foreign influences. Such influences could wipe out a people’s memory of their past; their traditional cultural practices; and their language. Above all, it can change their worldview, including their perception of reality .And here I am talking about the Mexican,Indian and Chinese influence over the native Americans and colonist traditions and language.

US was formed in 1776, they only have 238 year's worth of history compared to older civilizations like Great Britain or China. So it's not unfair to say that they should give equal chances to people who want to move to their country to seek a better life as long as they can contribute and they don't really have any 'culture' to speak of yet.

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Every american is an immigrant. The so called "pilgrim fathers" were nothing else than European immigrants.

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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

You are forgetting that US is a country made up of immigrants themselves. Or as they like to call themselves, 'COLONISTS'. The original inhabitants of the land they are residing on are Native Americans who had their lands taken away from them and treated very badly by the colonists.

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Quote from: zolace on June 05, 2014, 05:29:47 AM

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.” -Emma Lazarus
These are the quotes written on the side of the Statue of Liberty. It inspires me every time I read it.

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Quote from: vokain on June 05, 2014, 05:32:35 AM

I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.

By cultural erosion i meant the systematic devaluation, sometimes leading to the deletion, of certain aspects of our culture due to foreign influences. Such influences could wipe out a people’s memory of their past; their traditional cultural practices; and their language. Above all, it can change their worldview, including their perception of reality .And here I am talking about the Mexican,Indian and Chinese influence over the native Americans and colonist traditions and language.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 05, 2014, 05:46:48 AM

Quote from: Leina on June 05, 2014, 05:41:54 AM

Not so any longer. Seen people abuse the marriage system, family relation to get their entire family into US. They take more than they give because of subsidy and freebie. And they abuse the credit system and commit tax fraud with no consequence.

And White Americans don't do any of this? Typical guff. You're stereotyping and making mass generalisations.

Leina is referring specifically to the immigrants that used to add net value to the US. You're taking a a few sentences out of their context. See text right above the text you quoted.

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