USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS 2020: Michael Moore says Trump on course to win !

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 08, 2020, 05:26:13 PM

Well the evidence clearly suggest Michael Moore was right. If those Democrat voters did not turn out in large numbers Trump would have been re-elected. Thankfully the whole world can move on from this sorry episode of the previous 4 years and simply move forward with a new US administration.

trump will return,

this short temporary rule by these sellouts and traitors will continue to finish off the last bit of trust and legacy and will further expose the democrats as the criminals that they are.

it will be for the whole nation every, single soldier citizen and policeman to see how the democrats are willing to sell out the property, freedom, human rights and dignity of every single american to the rest of the world (defund police + open border policy) and it will end them. not just in america but also in the entire western world.

no one will want to have anything to doe with these lefto liberal pseudo antiracist social justice warriors anymore.

only corrupt and criminal people will end up siding with them, but only termporarily till they get what they want, then the corrupt will also rob their democrat sellout idiots.

americans will end up begging trump to return becomming president, and trump might even become president/dynasty for decades.

the democrats will destroy themselves in this biden presidency its already beginning

there wont be even any more elections after that because no one will after that still trust the corrupt sellout democrats

this guy thinks like i do

"comming democratic collapse" by ben shapiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042aUnbJysA&ab_channel=BenShapiro

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Well the evidence clearly suggest Michael Moore was right. If those Democrat voters did not turn out in large numbers Trump would have been re-elected. Thankfully the whole world can move on from this sorry episode of the previous 4 years and simply move forward with a new US administration.

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Yeah it's crazy to imagine that days before the election, people have already voted more in Texas than last time in total. It reinforces my idea that the election is basically already over, whatever happens now cannot change the result.

Also, I don't think campaigning in a "purple" state like Texas is a waste for the Democrats even if they don't win it, the closer it gets, the better chance they have to win it next time. More people will engage with the party, become interested, etc. When you're in a solid red (or solid blue) state it's more difficult to be on the other side as you will face a lot of backlash and few prospects of winning an election.

I'm French but I have a cousin in the USA, French born and immigrated as a kid, he just moved from California to Texas for work (pro Fortnite gamer). A lot of people do that, that's why the state is turning purple.

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I did some digging around out of curiosity and went back to the 2018 senate race of Cruz vs. Beto and was surprised at how close the race was despite what the polls were saying - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/tx/texas_senate_cruz_vs_orourke-6310.html

Average of +6.8 Cruz, yet he finished only +2.6. Maybe that's why everyone is so obsessed with Texas turning blue. Kamala Harris was out campaigning in the state and I can't imagine that the Biden camp would waste resources there unless their internal polling said it was worth it. Trump's RCP average is about +2.3

Texas already broke voter turn out records. Just some food for thought.

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Well apparently Trump is the best fundraiser ever so surely he can invest everywhere ?

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New polls.

https://www.unf.edu/coas/porl/Recent_Polls.aspx
Biden 48, Trump 47.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/georgia-2020-showdown-in-presidential-and-us-senate-races
Georgia 47 Biden, Trump 48.

Florida, obviously a brutally competitive state. But what's more surprising is Trump's barely hanging on in Georgia. Thought that was a freebie state, but he'll actually have to invest resources into winning that state, which takes away the resources he could be using in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Pretty sure he needs at least one of these states to get over 270 when you work the electoral map and give all the toss up states to Trump (which that in itself is an extreme obstacle).

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Quote from: DaveF on October 20, 2020, 08:32:18 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 04:42:46 AM

A LOT of small businesses don't use the Corporate Structure.

Somewhat OT to this but still an interesting thought is that in the digital eCommerce age how many small businesses do not exist on paper.
People selling on eBay, etsy, Amazon, etc. They are making a living but doing it all themselves or with a partner but never really filed the paperwork or anything else.

How many freelancers are out there doing web design / programming work and just depositing the checks so to speak?

-Dave

Yes, this is what Twitch and I were discussing. If you did work and got checks, and deposited them you'd be using what is called a "Schedule C" or sole proprietor style of tax reporting. Granted a lot of people would just cash the checks and not bother with this, but let's say a "real business" is one that nets more than 10k or 50k per year.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 04:42:46 AM

A LOT of small businesses don't use the Corporate Structure.

Somewhat OT to this but still an interesting thought is that in the digital eCommerce age how many small businesses do not exist on paper.
People selling on eBay, etsy, Amazon, etc. They are making a living but doing it all themselves or with a partner but never really filed the paperwork or anything else.

How many freelancers are out there doing web design / programming work and just depositing the checks so to speak?

-Dave

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 04:42:46 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on October 18, 2020, 07:59:43 PM

A LOT of small business use the Corporate structure, and file taxes using the 1120 form. Entities such as docs and legal sharks use the 1120S. Others use the Schedule C on the regular 1040.

A LOT of small businesses don't use the Corporate Structure.

And a lot of those Schedule C's are hobby businesses, or various small fry stuff.

But the Trump tax reforms benefitted Sch C, 1120, 1120S...

And as far as "benefitting the large corporations," didn't he say he was cutting them a break to get those companies to come back on shore? I think that was a separate tax law change.

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Quote from: Spendulus on October 18, 2020, 07:59:43 PM

A LOT of small business use the Corporate structure, and file taxes using the 1120 form. Entities such as docs and legal sharks use the 1120S. Others use the Schedule C on the regular 1040.

A LOT of small businesses don't use the Corporate Structure.

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Quote from: squatz1 on October 16, 2020, 03:23:57 PM

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Yeah I wasn't saying that small businesses donate to Democrats or anything along those lines. I was moreso saying that Republicans need to get out of the mindset of helping large businesses more often then they help small businesses. Things like lowering the corporate tax rate is great, but it does help big large profitable businesses moreso then small businesses which may be bringing out a small profit every year.

Taking another look at payroll taxes would help both large and small businesses alike. Deducting expenses more easily, making filing easier, etc.

A LOT of small business use the Corporate structure, and file taxes using the 1120 form. Entities such as docs and legal sharks use the 1120S. Others use the Schedule C on the regular 1040.

I have the impression that they were all seriously benefiting from the Trump tax reform. Haven't looked up numbers on it, though. But clearly cutting the top rates and increasing Section 179 depreciation to 2M per year is huge.

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Of course, the poor people who will probably vote Democrat, don't have vehicles that they can drive all over Phoenix in. Check out the pix.

PHOTOS: Pro-Trump parade stretching for miles goes through Phoenix area

Quote from: https://www.azfamily.com/news/slideshows/photos-pro-trump-parade-stretching-for-miles-goes-through-phoenix-area/collection_5d64fc38-10e8-11eb-b9ea-3bba1c62377a.html

They drove all over the Valley, honking their horns and waving their flags to support the president. They finished up at a dirt lot at a barbecue restaurant in Wittmann.

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Quote from: Spendulus on October 16, 2020, 10:05:02 AM

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One major problem IMHO is all the lying about what the other side will do or wants to do. These are getting to be pretty tired old memes trotted out over and over in every election cycle, and they really won't help move things forward.

Bolded above, pretty much inaccurate. If you check the sources and amounts of contributions to congressional and senate candidates, you will find most small business is to the Republican, and big business, labor unions, teachers unions and such contribute to Democrats.
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Yeah I wasn't saying that small businesses donate to Democrats or anything along those lines. I was moreso saying that Republicans need to get out of the mindset of helping large businesses more often then they help small businesses. Things like lowering the corporate tax rate is great, but it does help big large profitable businesses moreso then small businesses which may be bringing out a small profit every year.

Taking another look at payroll taxes would help both large and small businesses alike. Deducting expenses more easily, making filing easier, etc.

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Quote from: Spendulus on October 16, 2020, 10:05:02 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2020, 03:24:55 AM

In any functioning democracy there will be people that have the same mindset as yours and that is great. You happen to agree with some Republican policies and probably will agree with some Democratic ones. Each voter will have to make their decision based on the policies of the parties as well as the people standing as candidates. Jobs, economy and foreign policy are just a few important factors to name but these will be kept in mind by those heading to cast their votes.

Quote from: squatz1 on October 15, 2020, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: DaveF on October 15, 2020, 08:08:06 PM

At last someone else on the internet who gets it.

The stock market it not the economy.
Crap low paying jobs are not the same as skilled jobs / trade jobs.

And my favorite. Ignoring change and advancement because you don't like it does not mean that it's going away.

-Dave

Just as something to know, this is not me saying that I'm a major democrat or something. I'd say that I agree with the Republicans on tax policy and such, probably lean more on the libertarian side of things for some policies as well.

But yes, I would totally agree with what I said before about the economy. Regular peoples incomes and jobs are not indicated well on the stock market for obvious reasons. Republicans have to start caring about small businesses in America and advocating for pro small business policies. Kinda disgusting that I have to listen to Joe Biden to hear him say things about small businesses and such.

But.... sigh... here we are.

One major problem IMHO is all the lying about what the other side will do or wants to do. These are getting to be pretty tired old memes trotted out over and over in every election cycle, and they really won't help move things forward.

Bolded above, pretty much inaccurate. If you check the sources and amounts of contributions to congressional and senate candidates, you will find most small business is to the Republican, and big business, labor unions, teachers unions and such contribute to Democrats.

I don't think squatz was implying that small businesses that donate to political campaigns are more likely to donate to Democrats. Not sure why you responded as if he did.

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Since 2016 USA presidential election could not be rigged which brought Trump as the president of US in Democratic party which stand as the ruling party in the country.
Joe Biden who is the one try to challenge Trump in up coming election which many billionaire are back Biden up to become a winner for the up coming election. Show money will really flow in this general election.
Trump will surely win this upcoming election because he has improved in the areas of economy and other sectors in the country. I think Trump will still wine this coming election because he has done well in his first term.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2020, 03:24:55 AM

In any functioning democracy there will be people that have the same mindset as yours and that is great. You happen to agree with some Republican policies and probably will agree with some Democratic ones. Each voter will have to make their decision based on the policies of the parties as well as the people standing as candidates. Jobs, economy and foreign policy are just a few important factors to name but these will be kept in mind by those heading to cast their votes.

Quote from: squatz1 on October 15, 2020, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: DaveF on October 15, 2020, 08:08:06 PM

At last someone else on the internet who gets it.

The stock market it not the economy.
Crap low paying jobs are not the same as skilled jobs / trade jobs.

And my favorite. Ignoring change and advancement because you don't like it does not mean that it's going away.

-Dave

Just as something to know, this is not me saying that I'm a major democrat or something. I'd say that I agree with the Republicans on tax policy and such, probably lean more on the libertarian side of things for some policies as well.

But yes, I would totally agree with what I said before about the economy. Regular peoples incomes and jobs are not indicated well on the stock market for obvious reasons. Republicans have to start caring about small businesses in America and advocating for pro small business policies. Kinda disgusting that I have to listen to Joe Biden to hear him say things about small businesses and such.

But.... sigh... here we are.

One major problem IMHO is all the lying about what the other side will do or wants to do. These are getting to be pretty tired old memes trotted out over and over in every election cycle, and they really won't help move things forward.

Bolded above, pretty much inaccurate. If you check the sources and amounts of contributions to congressional and senate candidates, you will find most small business is to the Republican, and big business, labor unions, teachers unions and such contribute to Democrats.

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In any functioning democracy there will be people that have the same mindset as yours and that is great. You happen to agree with some Republican policies and probably will agree with some Democratic ones. Each voter will have to make their decision based on the policies of the parties as well as the people standing as candidates. Jobs, economy and foreign policy are just a few important factors to name but these will be kept in mind by those heading to cast their votes.

Quote from: squatz1 on October 15, 2020, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: DaveF on October 15, 2020, 08:08:06 PM

At last someone else on the internet who gets it.

The stock market it not the economy.
Crap low paying jobs are not the same as skilled jobs / trade jobs.

And my favorite. Ignoring change and advancement because you don't like it does not mean that it's going away.

-Dave

Just as something to know, this is not me saying that I'm a major democrat or something. I'd say that I agree with the Republicans on tax policy and such, probably lean more on the libertarian side of things for some policies as well.

But yes, I would totally agree with what I said before about the economy. Regular peoples incomes and jobs are not indicated well on the stock market for obvious reasons. Republicans have to start caring about small businesses in America and advocating for pro small business policies. Kinda disgusting that I have to listen to Joe Biden to hear him say things about small businesses and such.

But.... sigh... here we are.

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Quote from: aesma on October 15, 2020, 05:14:15 AM

It could be 30% as I said, it seems fair to me. Some people have too much money to invest, so they will invest, no matter what. In part because of all the money printing going on, that isn't going in the hands of the people needing it the most.

Investing in India is scary. If some money is diverted there, it's not a problem, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that more money is invested from India to the US than the reverse.

30% would be fair (after taking into account the inflation), only if applied to large-sized gains (such as above $250,000 per year or so). I don't think that this rate should be applied to investments being made by the middle-class households.

India was just an example. There are safer options out there. For example, in Canada only half of the realized capital gains are taxable. I believe in Australia also it is the same. In some of the European countries, the rate is much lower. For example, Croatia (12%), Hungary (15%) and Israel (15%).

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Quote from: DaveF on October 15, 2020, 08:08:06 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on October 15, 2020, 05:02:33 PM

Whoa, this is a real well thought out post here that I'd have to say I agree with.

I think the Republican party (not republican voters) has been fixated on the stock market which is not something that everyday people care about. Continuing to talk about how the market is reaching new highs is not something that people who lost their jobs in Pennsylvania, West Virgina, Michigan, etc. Stock prices going up doesn't change the fact that coal jobs are most likely gone, manufacturing too (esp auto), etc.

That doesn't even take into account Corona, which has killed so many peoples lives while the stock market is doing just fine.

But yes. It's the economy stupid. AND THE REAL ECONOMY, not the stock market.

At last someone else on the internet who gets it.

The stock market it not the economy.
Crap low paying jobs are not the same as skilled jobs / trade jobs.

And my favorite. Ignoring change and advancement because you don't like it does not mean that it's going away.

-Dave

Just as something to know, this is not me saying that I'm a major democrat or something. I'd say that I agree with the Republicans on tax policy and such, probably lean more on the libertarian side of things for some policies as well.

But yes, I would totally agree with what I said before about the economy. Regular peoples incomes and jobs are not indicated well on the stock market for obvious reasons. Republicans have to start caring about small businesses in America and advocating for pro small business policies. Kinda disgusting that I have to listen to Joe Biden to hear him say things about small businesses and such.

But.... sigh... here we are.

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Quote from: squatz1 on October 15, 2020, 05:02:33 PM

Whoa, this is a real well thought out post here that I'd have to say I agree with.

I think the Republican party (not republican voters) has been fixated on the stock market which is not something that everyday people care about. Continuing to talk about how the market is reaching new highs is not something that people who lost their jobs in Pennsylvania, West Virgina, Michigan, etc. Stock prices going up doesn't change the fact that coal jobs are most likely gone, manufacturing too (esp auto), etc.

That doesn't even take into account Corona, which has killed so many peoples lives while the stock market is doing just fine.

But yes. It's the economy stupid. AND THE REAL ECONOMY, not the stock market.

At last someone else on the internet who gets it.

The stock market it not the economy.
Crap low paying jobs are not the same as skilled jobs / trade jobs.

And my favorite. Ignoring change and advancement because you don't like it does not mean that it's going away.

-Dave

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