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Topic: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 62. (Read 45532 times)

legendary
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It seems to me that those who refuse vaccination should pay special insurance. If they get sick themselves or infect someone else. I don't understand why they should endanger the lives of me and my children?

This would mean special insurance for the vaccinated people. Why? Because vaccines destroy the immune system somewhat. This means that vaccinated people can get sicker faster, and infect all kinds of other people who are vaccinated.

Cool
That kind of nonsense? You have medical education? What nonsense you talking about? Do you know what antibodies? Vaccination is the safety of our children. Why would you want to destroy them?

Do a Google or Bing search. Vaccination is not safe. Lots of people are showing this fact. The medical even says that it doesn't have to do studies to prove that vaccination is safe. If they don't do the studies, how do they know it is safe? They don't. They just say it is safe... because they make money off sick people... people who they make sick with vaccines.

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newbie
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It seems to me that those who refuse vaccination should pay special insurance. If they get sick themselves or infect someone else. I don't understand why they should endanger the lives of me and my children?

This would mean special insurance for the vaccinated people. Why? Because vaccines destroy the immune system somewhat. This means that vaccinated people can get sicker faster, and infect all kinds of other people who are vaccinated.

Cool
That kind of nonsense? You have medical education? What nonsense you talking about? Do you know what antibodies? Vaccination is the safety of our children. Why would you want to destroy them?
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
It seems to me that those who refuse vaccination should pay special insurance. If they get sick themselves or infect someone else. I don't understand why they should endanger the lives of me and my children?

This would mean special insurance for the vaccinated people. Why? Because vaccines destroy the immune system somewhat. This means that vaccinated people can get sicker faster, and infect all kinds of other people who are vaccinated.

Cool
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
There is enough discussion about links with Autism & vaccines, etc for us not to be blind to the possibility.  Remember statistics can be skewed to present whatever findings you are looking for to support your argument or not.  Who knows the true answer...?  I don't think we will get the full facts as the pharma's have too much invested in it!!
sr. member
Activity: 263
Merit: 250
It seems to me that those who refuse vaccination should pay special insurance. If they get sick themselves or infect someone else. I don't understand why they should endanger the lives of me and my children?

It is better to have some kind of separation between those who vaccinated and who refused.
member
Activity: 83
Merit: 10
It seems to me that those who refuse vaccination should pay special insurance. If they get sick themselves or infect someone else. I don't understand why they should endanger the lives of me and my children?
sr. member
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Merit: 302
I would like to point out the fact that if home schoolers have are less likely to have thing like ADHD or Autism it may have to do with other things in their environment and not at all with their lower levels of vaccinations.

My question to anti vaccination people: Would you rather get autism or some disease that you could have been vaccinated against (even thought there's no scientific evidence that you could get autism or something of the like from a vaccine)?

PS: I was home schooled and I got all my vaccinations.

I believe that the necessary vaccinations must be obtained even if you observe hygiene and eat well. Some vitamins can not withstand different viruses and medicine specifically develops a vaccine to protect against disease.

This. Those critters evolved to exploit their host, of course they have various ways of evading the immune system. Which is why I just can't imagine what the thought process of antivaxxers are. I don't know if they're coming from a position of religiosity or a general distrust of the world. They really remind me of flat-earthers.
sr. member
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I would like to point out the fact that if home schoolers have are less likely to have thing like ADHD or Autism it may have to do with other things in their environment and not at all with their lower levels of vaccinations.

My question to anti vaccination people: Would you rather get autism or some disease that you could have been vaccinated against (even thought there's no scientific evidence that you could get autism or something of the like from a vaccine)?

PS: I was home schooled and I got all my vaccinations.

I believe that the necessary vaccinations must be obtained even if you observe hygiene and eat well. Some vitamins can not withstand different viruses and medicine specifically develops a vaccine to protect against disease.
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
I would like to point out the fact that if home schoolers have are less likely to have thing like ADHD or Autism it may have to do with other things in their environment and not at all with their lower levels of vaccinations.

My question to anti vaccination people: Would you rather get autism or some disease that you could have been vaccinated against (even thought there's no scientific evidence that you could get autism or something of the like from a vaccine)?

PS: I was home schooled and I got all my vaccinations.
hero member
Activity: 1764
Merit: 584
Anti-Vaccine Activists Spark a State's Worst Measles Outbreak in Decades





The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don't let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella – it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her three-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota's largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades.

Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and cough, was hospitalised for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

"I thought: 'I'm in America. I thought I'm in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,' " said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade.

Growing up in Somalia, she'd had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age three.


Read more at http://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state-s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.


 Cool

Herd immunity only work if a significant portion is immune. This helps slow down the rate of transmission if the few who are not vaccinated do get sick. Also, nutrition is not enough to fight off every transmittable diseases. For example, even a healthy person would still probably catch ebola.

Now about measles, if I'd vaccinate my child against one disease only, that would be measles. Measles weakens the immune system, and also has the quirk of somehow wiping out the patient's built up resistances. For example, if you already got chickenpox and so became immune to it, getting measles would somehow make your body "forget" it already got chickenpox before, meaning you can be infected with it again.
hero member
Activity: 994
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full member
Activity: 206
Merit: 100
Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.
Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.
How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

How can you not understand that if your immune system is strong, you can't catch it. Immunization weakens the immune system. Nutrition strengthens the immune system.

Cool

I agree. If a good immune system, then it can not hit the virus. Previously, people were sick not because of the lack of a vaccine, but because of poor nutrition and lack of hygiene.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.
Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.
How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

How can you not understand that if your immune system is strong, you can't catch it. Immunization weakens the immune system. Nutrition strengthens the immune system.

Cool
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
I am sure that the company is on antivaccinia is an attempt to reduce the earth's population. Who can it be profitable? Even if a person does not believe in the conspiracy theory worth considering. The facts speak otherwise.
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 501
Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.
Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.
How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

The epidemic affects everyone, but sometimes it is stubborn to vaccinate because you can not be sure that you will be stabbed.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
As long as the pro-vaxxers don't infect me through laws with their health choices.
jr. member
Activity: 59
Merit: 10
Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.
Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.
How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.
full member
Activity: 203
Merit: 100
Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.
Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

We are fighting for our own health. Stricter and stricter laws are continuously passed to force vaccinations on those that do not want it.

Can you see who benefits from pro-vaccination? Can you even consider that maybe...just maybe...all of the paid research and lobbying done benefits the pharmacy companies? Would it at least be fair to be allowed to sue if something goes wrong?
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1048
Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

You didn't look closely at the article just above your post? "Knit Somali immigrant community" who probably don't have good hygiene, and certainly not benefits of vitamins and other good nutrition.

Get the nutrition and hygiene you need, and you won't need vaccines that threaten your life in other ways.

Cool

BAD, I'm disappointed in you, you're making assumptions Wink

Because they are Somali immigrants, they most likely don't have good hygiene and proper nutrition?

These immigrants were all located in Minnesota, a part of modern day America, and aren't all first generation. Let's examine a different article on the same topic I posted a little earlier:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/measles-sweeps-an-immigrant-community-targeted-by-anti-vaccine-activists/

Somali children living in Minnesota once had vaccination rates as high as or higher than their peers, said Kris Ehresmann, director of the Minnesota Department of Health's division of infectious disease epidemiology, prevention, and control.

But in 2008, Somali-American parents started to notice that lots of their children were enrolled in the school system's special program for children on the autism spectrum. They were alarmed; many did not recall seeing cases of autism before coming to the United States.


This community seems pretty Americanized, they were even attending community health events where people were selling them on not getting vaccinated. Shit, I've never been to a community health event myself, but, that might just be my failing Wink Moving on:

A perception started to take hold in the community that something had changed. Non-Somalis who oppose the MMR vaccine fed the fear with frequent trips to speak to parents. The discredited British doctor Andrew Wakefield - who first proposed a link between vaccines and autism in a study later found to be fraudulent - has come to speak to this community at least twice, Ehresmann said.

The result: Only 41 percent of Somali children in Minnesota in the 24-to-35-month age range have received MMR vaccine, she said.

"What's very striking is that when you look at before and after that point in time, and you can see the impact that the anti-vaccine groups have had on the community," Ehresmann said.


I gotta figure out that text in box thing you do BAD, it looks so much more fetch than the bold I use.
But anyway, just food for thought, I'm not coming at you.
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