Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 63.

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Quote from: Lieldoryn on May 08, 2017, 06:09:28 PM

Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

You didn't look closely at the article just above your post? "Knit Somali immigrant community" who probably don't have good hygiene, and certainly not benefits of vitamins and other good nutrition.

Get the nutrition and hygiene you need, and you won't need vaccines that threaten your life in other ways.

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Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

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Anti-Vaccine Activists Spark a State's Worst Measles Outbreak in Decades

Quote from: http://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state-s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades

The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don't let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella – it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her three-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota's largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades.

Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and cough, was hospitalised for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

"I thought: 'I'm in America. I thought I'm in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,' " said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade.

Growing up in Somalia, she'd had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age three.

Read more at http://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state-s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.

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American Academy of Pediatrics declares "no science" needed to prove ...

Quote from: http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-07-american-academy-of-pediatrics-declares-no-science-needed-to-prove-vaccines-are-safe-because-they-believe.html

After publicly declaring that all vaccines are safe and not linked to autism, the American Academy of Pediatrics refused to provide a single shred of scientific evidence to support their claims. Even more laughably, the AAP said that there' no need to provide any evidence at all, since the safety of vaccines is assumed to be true. Thus, who needs science when there's such a widespread feeling of certainty?

This is the sad state of the abandonment of science by the entire medical establishment, which now employs troll farms to viciously smear and attack any person who refuses to mindlessly worship the "Religion of Vaccines." Vaccines are uniquely declared exempt from all scientific scrutiny — or even any convincing, legitimate evidence of safety — based entirely on the woo woo feelings of vaccine promoters whose actions resemble psychopathic cult members more than defenders of legitimate science.

Read this astonishing report by Jeremy Hammond from JeremyHammond.com to understand more:

American Academy of Pediatrics Refuses to Back Vaccine Claims with Science

When asked whether it could provide studies to support specific claims it made about vaccine safety, the American Academy of Pediatrics ultimately declined.

On January 10, 2017, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued a press release to express its opposition to a federal commission that has been proposed by the Trump administration to examine vaccine safety and efficacy. The AAP argues that since we already know that vaccines are safe and effective, therefore there is no need for further examination into their safety and efficacy.

This argument, however, begs the question — it presumes in the premise the proposition to be proven (the petitio principii fallacy). And the press release itself illustrates why, apart from the question of whether there should be a federal commission, critical examination of public vaccine policy is very much warranted.

In its press release, among other things, the AAP stated that:

Vaccines prevent cancer.

Claims that vaccines are linked to autism "have been disproven by a robust body of medical literature".

Claims that vaccines "are unsafe when administered according to the [CDC's] recommended schedule" have likewise "been disproven by a robust body of medical literature".

According to the AAP, its own claims are backed by solid science. Yet when asked whether it could provide citations from the medical literature to support its claims, the AAP first failed to do so, then essentially offered a "No comment" when pressed for a comment about its failure to do so.

Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-07-american-academy-of-pediatrics-declares-no-science-needed-to-prove-vaccines-are-safe-because-they-believe.html.

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Quote from: DeanShow on May 08, 2017, 02:26:45 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 12:24:06 PM

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Vaccination doesn't just happen in nature, even in poor countries. Along with vaccination comes a whole lot of information from the "vaccinizers" to the poor people about how to change their hygiene. There is no "exact" study to show how much hygiene alone might affect a poor population. There is no study to show how much harm is done in other areas than the specific areas being vaccinated for... in poor countries. Because these studies don't exist, there is no way to state your statements factually.

In other words, we don't know how much the vaccines bring health, and how much other "incidentals" bring health, and how much vaccines do damage in other ways.

The medical is supposed to do studies along these lines, but studies that make sense just haven't been done, or aren't being revealed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 12:24:06 PM

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

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Quote from: GreenBits on May 08, 2017, 12:45:15 PM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 12:24:06 PM

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years.

I think world history would look a little different if it had been entirely forged by hormonal brats on the verge of carking it. Your figures might be a little off.

I LOLed my ass off Wink

Just read this article today, this is a perfect example of why getting vaccinated is kind of a 'duh' thing at this day and age.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/measles-sweeps-an-immigrant-community-targeted-by-anti-vaccine-activists/

Raises an interesting point. Does autism go down in communities where vaccination isn't as prevalent/is purposefully avoided? I suspect no, but this metric would go a long way in proving/disproving the link between autism and vaccinations.

The risk truly isn't worth it, people. It's a reason why these particular diseases were singled out, they cause great harm to the populace and are subject to rampant spread. I think the majority of us would chose autism over possible death, ESP when that risk of autism is so miniscule.

I really just don't understand anti-vaxxers, how they go to that conclusion. Even as a kid I understood it's just like having chickenpox, except that you don't have to go through the process of getting sick. Some diseases are also dangerous since you don't know whether you have them and during all that time you can actually spread them. HPV causes several types of cancer. People in my country usually find they have hepatitis when they finally get liver cancer. My mom got malaria as a kid and so can't donate blood, apparently she's still a carrier. I know malaria can't be vaccinated against but I believe you understand where I'm getting at.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 08, 2017, 12:32:49 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 12:24:06 PM

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years.

I think world history would look a little different if it had been entirely forged by hormonal brats on the verge of carking it. Your figures might be a little off.

I LOLed my ass off Wink

Just read this article today, this is a perfect example of why getting vaccinated is kind of a 'duh' thing at this day and age.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/measles-sweeps-an-immigrant-community-targeted-by-anti-vaccine-activists/

Raises an interesting point. Does autism go down in communities where vaccination isn't as prevalent/is purposefully avoided? I suspect no, but this metric would go a long way in proving/disproving the link between autism and vaccinations.

The risk truly isn't worth it, people. It's a reason why these particular diseases were singled out, they cause great harm to the populace and are subject to rampant spread. I think the majority of us would chose autism over possible death, ESP when that risk of autism is so miniscule.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 12:24:06 PM

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years.

I think world history would look a little different if it had been entirely forged by hormonal brats on the verge of carking it. Your figures might be a little off.

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Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

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Quote from: Maximilian_333 on May 08, 2017, 11:28:51 AM

Quote from: Elwar on May 08, 2017, 11:21:45 AM

I was not vaccinated and I am grateful for being given the opportunity to have a healthy life.

If I have children I will selfishly not vaccinate them so that they have a superior immune system compared to the other children.

Vaccine is the only effective method of combating infectious diseases. There are no rules without exceptions. Side effects when vaccination there but they are very rare. Think about what to vaccinate your children you take responsibility for a potential epidemic. Are you ready for this?

Best way to fight disease is smoking cigarettes.

Oh wait...we're onto another industry selling their miracle cures.

But this time we have a whole booming industry that is protected from lawsuits.

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Quote from: Elwar on May 08, 2017, 11:21:45 AM

I was not vaccinated and I am grateful for being given the opportunity to have a healthy life.

If I have children I will selfishly not vaccinate them so that they have a superior immune system compared to the other children.

Vaccine is the only effective method of combating infectious diseases. There are no rules without exceptions. Side effects when vaccination there but they are very rare. Think about what to vaccinate your children you take responsibility for a potential epidemic. Are you ready for this?

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I was not vaccinated and I am grateful for being given the opportunity to have a healthy life.

If I have children I will selfishly not vaccinate them so that they have a superior immune system compared to the other children.

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I fully support unvaccinated kiddies. I also fully support imprisoning them in internment camps for the rest of their lives to protect the rest of us.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 07, 2017, 03:04:39 PM

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Quote from: Iranus on May 07, 2017, 10:02:13 AM

The arguments among anti-vaxxers and curious parents are along the lines of: "My doctor and every other doctor and a million different real cases and all legitimate medical researchers except those who profit from saying otherwise say that vaccines are good for preventing illnesses, but someone much louder than them said that they're not so I think that every knowledgeable person is wrong".

Well let them. Good riddance. I'd rather have my kids be autistic, have learning disability or have allergies than have them horribly die from a disease that could have been prevented by a quick shot.

You bet these people also believe about chemtrails, mutated lizards living under the sewers or having sex with virgins will cure AIDS.

The benefits of vaccines far outweigh the supposed risks. We already saw what happen when they deny kids vaccination.

Except that vitamin D3 plus vitamin C in larger amounts that are normally suggested, cure multitudes of diseases without vaccination. If research had gone into nutrition in the past, like it is starting to do today, vaccination would have never been needed, and the dangers of it would never have been introduced to society.

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In another post further down, you yourself said that the vitamin K was for HDN. Vaccines are usually made for diseases that have bacterial or viral causes. Good nutrition can help you fight off an infection but that would not always be the case, as we've seen people die from SARS before.

It's also possible to become well but still be a carrier so might be better to not get infected in the first place. Some diseases also show little symptoms until it has already progressed into a later stage, like hepatitis. By that time you could have already spread it to your family and friends.

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Quote from: killgald on May 07, 2017, 03:37:56 PM

Vaccination is obligatory in almost all the countrys, in facts new borns recived a dosis of k vitamin to prevent new born hemorragies.

Quote from: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/27/high-risks-to-your-baby-from-vitamin-k-shot-they-dont-warn-you-about.aspx

Administering vitamin K shots to newborns has been a standard medical procedure in most western countries since 1944. However, according to Vitamin K expert Dr. Cees Vermeer PhD, vitamin K offered orally is a better option for your infant than injection.

Vitamin K shots are given to infants to prevent Hemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn (HDN).

Giving newborns a syringe full of vitamin K may cause psychological trauma, give infants 20,000 times more vitamin K dose than what is needed, and create an environment for infections to occur.

There are safer ways to raise vitamin K levels in newborns; giving vitamin K orally is one way. While breastfeeding enables mothers to transfer low doses of vitamin K to their child, this will depend on the mother’s vitamin K levels.

Whether you choose to give your baby the shot or give vitamin K orally, gather all the information needed to make informed decisions.

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Vaccination is obligatory in almost all the countrys, in facts new borns recived a dosis of k vitamin to prevent new born hemorragies.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on May 07, 2017, 10:40:28 AM

Quote from: Iranus on May 07, 2017, 10:02:13 AM

The arguments among anti-vaxxers and curious parents are along the lines of: "My doctor and every other doctor and a million different real cases and all legitimate medical researchers except those who profit from saying otherwise say that vaccines are good for preventing illnesses, but someone much louder than them said that they're not so I think that every knowledgeable person is wrong".

Well let them. Good riddance. I'd rather have my kids be autistic, have learning disability or have allergies than have them horribly die from a disease that could have been prevented by a quick shot.

You bet these people also believe about chemtrails, mutated lizards living under the sewers or having sex with virgins will cure AIDS.

The benefits of vaccines far outweigh the supposed risks. We already saw what happen when they deny kids vaccination.

Except that vitamin D3 plus vitamin C in larger amounts that are normally suggested, cure multitudes of diseases without vaccination. If research had gone into nutrition in the past, like it is starting to do today, vaccination would have never been needed, and the dangers of it would never have been introduced to society.

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Quote from: Iranus on May 07, 2017, 10:02:13 AM

The arguments among anti-vaxxers and curious parents are along the lines of: "My doctor and every other doctor and a million different real cases and all legitimate medical researchers except those who profit from saying otherwise say that vaccines are good for preventing illnesses, but someone much louder than them said that they're not so I think that every knowledgeable person is wrong".

Well let them. Good riddance. I'd rather have my kids be autistic, have learning disability or have allergies than have them horribly die from a disease that could have been prevented by a quick shot.

You bet these people also believe about chemtrails, mutated lizards living under the sewers or having sex with virgins will cure AIDS.

The benefits of vaccines far outweigh the supposed risks. We already saw what happen when they deny kids vaccination.

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