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Azure Vertcoin Pool - DDOS reisistant P2Pool Node

http://cryptopool.cloudapp.net:9171/

No registration - No minimal payout!
    To connect to this P2Pool node simply point your miner at:

URL: stratum+tcp://cryptopool.cloudapp.net:9171
Username: Your vertcoin address
Password: Anything
    Fast facts about P2Pool

1. P2Pool nodes are all part of one single, big, distributed pool
2. When any p2pool worker on any node finds a block, everyone on all the nodes gets paid their share
3. There is no pool wallet, and hence no payout threshold. Payments go directly to your wallet
4. The distributed nature of p2pool resists DDoS attacks

cgminer.exe --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://cryptopool.cloudapp.net:9171 -u VbNPoxNeiNg6Bj9RwjjS4GazDbKLgUqNDP -p X
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Weird thought maybe, but could the sudden increase in hashrate be the pandacoin crowd testing the settings?

(Everything about that coin feels wrong BTW... Hope for their miners' sake that I'm wrong.)

That sounds about right.

Pandacoin is saying they will use the vertminer so a lot of miners will be setting that up and then switching to Pandacoin pools when they go live.

We will know for sure if the hashrate drops a lot when Pandacoin launches.

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Weird thought maybe, but could the sudden increase in hashrate be the pandacoin crowd testing the settings?

(Everything about that coin feels wrong BTW... Hope for their miners' sake that I'm wrong.)

That sounds about right.

Pandacoin is saying they will use the vertminer so a lot of miners will be setting that up and then switching to Pandacoin pools when they go live.

We will know for sure if the hashrate drops a lot when Pandacoin launches.

panda coin may kill us, who knos =/
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Weird thought maybe, but could the sudden increase in hashrate be the pandacoin crowd testing the settings?

(Everything about that coin feels wrong BTW... Hope for their miners' sake that I'm wrong.)

That sounds about right.

Pandacoin is saying they will use the vertminer so a lot of miners will be setting that up and then switching to Pandacoin pools when they go live.

We will know for sure if the hashrate drops a lot when Pandacoin launches.
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wow.. webwallet, ATM , amazon..

Great news.. this coin is going places.

Yes agree about the anti-asic community ethos. 
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I believe this is not really a concern for us,   Though I do understand where you are coming from.    Here is my opinion,

N-factor was studied and argued for a long time both ways,  N-factor change was largely held-off to keep older 1gb memory GPU's in the game to broaden VTC's mining base and keep those miners in the game.  At current N-factor these miners can still report good hashrates and will likely have upgraded long-before the next Nfactor bump.

Also, understand that what makes VTC hard to mine for GPU's is even more of a problem for ASIC.   Until we get asic numbers in for VTC with the current grid-seed chips (which looks like it maybe nothing more than a FPGA direct-to-asic hardware replica)  Its entirely possible that a ASIC that gets a given hashrate on LTC would get a huge drop on VTC,  Much more a drop than current GPU's even, because GPU's have access to huge amounts of memory (by asic standards).

So its possible that even 2nd gen asics would be taking a backseat to GPU's even before the nfactor switch. 

Even Nvidia cards are in the game with VTC and I'm willing to bet would hash way faster than a LTC-focused asic.
All of this aside, the coin's design, ethos and community is avowedly anti-ASIC. It would be unwise for a potential ASIC manufacturer to risk the expenditure of creating a product whose functionality would likely be broken through a hard fork.
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Cool i was waiting for this.
With a bit of luck, i might be able to set up a p2pnode for myself now  Grin

You can try right now if you want. The new network is actually alive, it's just the bigger pools aren't moving until tomorrow so we can do it mostly at the same time.
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P2Pool Update

We intend to update the network information for p2pool in our official repo. The updated code is available now, but the network wont officially be live until the listed date.This involves a change to how long a share is valid, currently a share is only valid for 3 blocks. This setting was borrowed from Litecoin, and it has proven to be too low for us. With this new update it will be adjusted to 12, that should hopefully improve the p2pool experience for people with low hashrates everyone. As every worker's share will now be valid for a longer period. Another change (thanks to roy7) in this update is that share difficulty is now calculated on a per-worker basis instead of on a per-node basis, so share difficulties should be lower, to make it more like mining on your own node (if you're mining on a public node).

This update requires a hard fork of the network, which means we will have two p2pool networks running in parallell for some time while everyone interested updates to the newer version. Don't panic, it won't be like hardforking a wallet, no paid coins will go invalid. It just means that to benefit from this update you need to upgrade to the new settings. It might also mean that blocks will come a little slower for a while if not everyone comes along with the update (as we will split into two). The point of this pre-announcement is to mitigate that. Also moving to this new network means that the we'll get a new sharechain, a.k.a. any shares from the old network won't transfer over.

The p2pool scanner and all the seed nodes will be upgraded to this version on 13th february at 22.00 GMT. Any node left on the old network will continue operating as normal, but will not show up in the scanner until upgraded.

Hopefully people will catch on fast and update.

Cool i was waiting for this.
With a bit of luck, i might be able to set up a p2pnode for myself now  Grin
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P2Pool Update

We intend to update the network information for p2pool in our official repo. The updated code is available now, but the network wont officially be live until the listed date.This involves a change to how long a share is valid, currently a share is only valid for 3 blocks. This setting was borrowed from Litecoin, and it has proven to be too low for us. With this new update it will be adjusted to 12, that should hopefully improve the p2pool experience for people with low hashrates everyone. As every worker's share will now be valid for a longer period. Another change (thanks to roy7) in this update is that share difficulty is now calculated on a per-worker basis instead of on a per-node basis, so share difficulties should be lower, to make it more like mining on your own node (if you're mining on a public node).

This update requires a hard fork of the network, which means we will have two p2pool networks running in parallell for some time while everyone interested updates to the newer version. Don't panic, it won't be like hardforking a wallet, no paid coins will go invalid. It just means that to benefit from this update you need to upgrade to the new settings. It might also mean that blocks will come a little slower for a while if not everyone comes along with the update (as we will split into two). The point of this pre-announcement is to mitigate that. Also moving to this new network means that the we'll get a new sharechain, a.k.a. any shares from the old network won't transfer over.

The p2pool scanner and all the seed nodes will be upgraded to this version on 13th february at 22.00 GMT. Any node left on the old network will continue operating as normal, but will not show up in the scanner until upgraded.

Hopefully people will catch on fast and update.
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Ain't no party like a Counterparty!
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I have a few questions about mining. So i've been mining off and on for a few days now on Boristhespider's pool. Prior to this week I've never mined before. I just have a few things i'd like to know.

1. Does it pay to stay at the same pool for a long time or do people ever switch to different pools and is it beneficial or harmful to for example be at one pool one day and another another day?

2. For a person like me with a mid range video card 7850 2gig, I get 153 kh/s (154 WU) mining is there a specific type of pool that i should be at? I see people talking about different types of pools like p2p etc..

3. Is it to my disadvantage to be in a pool with people who get 100,000 kh/s ? I look at rankings and see top contenders getting epic levels of hashrate and can only imagine they are using clusters or something for their workers, does this limit my shares or coins at the end of the day or does this actually have no bearing on someone like me at all?

I'm not an expert but i'l try to reply to your questions.

1. You should always mine from small pools. This will make the decentralization of mining and at the end of the day, you'll get about the same coins.

2. I recommend p2pool's. Usually they're not "pretty" as the other pools, but you dont get scammed for sure, as they work in p2p. At the end, its a matter of choice.

3. You always get a share of your work. Far as I know, there isn't any disadvantage mining with people with higher hasrates.

I guess this summarize it, it could be better explained but my english is a bit limited Tongue

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Correct me if I am wrong. Each time the N-factor adaption kicks in, the current ASIC becomes useless, correct?

If that is the case, I suggest Dev should shorten the N-factor schedule.
The next adaption is 2 years later, and the 1st gen scrypt ASIS here already, although it does not bring much advantages over GPU other than power consumption.
I guess this gen is 65nm-ish chips but we all know how fast the BTC ASIC evolved from 65nm to 28nm, which is matter of months and the hash improvement is just enormous.

I say Dev change the 1st adaption to somewhere around July-Sep 2014 to fight the 2nd gen Scrypt ASIC assuming the 65nm-to-28nm evolution follows the approximately the same schedule as BTC ASIC did.
And 2nd adaption to Feb-April 2015 just in case it did not evolve that fast.

Remember once the ASIC reaches 28nm, it is very very hard for those guys to improve it within at least a couple years.

Reason:
1. There is nothing they can do about the architecture to improve it because it is pre-determined by Scrypt.
2. There is nearly equal trade-off when they just add more chips/cores to improve the hash. More costs more.
3. Now shrink the die. Once they reach 28nm, and certainly they wants to go to 22nm or 20nm, but, 20nm-ish is really already near the cutting edge of current die size and therefore a bottleneck. I think nowadays, only very handful of companies, like Intel, can produce quality consumer level 20nm-ish chips, and I doubt they are gonna share that tech with ASIC developers. And it most likely take more than 2-3 years before 20nm becomes the standard for an company like that.


I believe this is not really a concern for us,   Though I do understand where you are coming from.    Here is my opinion,

N-factor was studied and argued for a long time both ways,  N-factor change was largely held-off to keep older 1gb memory GPU's in the game to broaden VTC's mining base and keep those miners in the game.  At current N-factor these miners can still report good hashrates and will likely have upgraded long-before the next Nfactor bump.

Also, understand that what makes VTC hard to mine for GPU's is even more of a problem for ASIC.   Until we get asic numbers in for VTC with the current grid-seed chips (which looks like it maybe nothing more than a FPGA direct-to-asic hardware replica)  Its entirely possible that a ASIC that gets a given hashrate on LTC would get a huge drop on VTC,  Much more a drop than current GPU's even, because GPU's have access to huge amounts of memory (by asic standards).

So its possible that even 2nd gen asics would be taking a backseat to GPU's even before the nfactor switch. 

Even Nvidia cards are in the game with VTC and I'm willing to bet would hash way faster than a LTC-focused asic.
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Correct me if I am wrong. Each time the N-factor adaption kicks in, the current ASIC becomes useless, correct?

If that is the case, I suggest Dev should shorten the N-factor schedule.
The next adaption is 2 years later, and the 1st gen scrypt ASIS here already, although it does not bring much advantages over GPU other than power consumption.
I guess this gen is 65nm-ish chips but we all know how fast the BTC ASIC evolved from 65nm to 28nm, which is matter of months and the hash improvement is just enormous.

I say Dev change the 1st adaption to somewhere around July-Sep 2014 to fight the 2nd gen Scrypt ASIC assuming the 65nm-to-28nm evolution follows the approximately the same schedule as BTC ASIC did.
And 2nd adaption to Feb-April 2015 just in case it did not evolve that fast.

Remember once the ASIC reaches 28nm, it is very very hard for those guys to improve it within at least a couple years.

Reason:
1. There is nothing they can do about the architecture to improve it because it is pre-determined by Scrypt.
2. There is nearly equal trade-off when they just add more chips/cores to improve the hash. More costs more.
3. Now shrink the die. Once they reach 28nm, and certainly they wants to go to 22nm or 20nm, but, 20nm-ish is really already near the cutting edge of current die size and therefore a bottleneck. I think nowadays, only very handful of companies, like Intel, can produce quality consumer level 20nm-ish chips, and I doubt they are gonna share that tech with ASIC developers. And it most likely take more than 2-3 years before 20nm becomes the standard for an company like that.
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Ok screw it.... I finally joined you guys.


I have around 50 VTCs... not much but after all the losses I incurred with alts i'm trying to take it easy.

I bought most of them around 0.00438.... will i make it guys? Sad

Welcome. Youll be fine! Cool

Edit: that was probably the best price that people will see for a while (if the industry holds steady as a whole), so it was a good move for the longterm
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Ok screw it.... I finally joined you guys.


I have around 50 VTCs... not much but after all the losses I incurred with alts i'm trying to take it easy.

I bought most of them around 0.00438.... will i make it guys? Sad
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Update News

Thanks to moolah.ch you can do a lot of things now and in the future with Vertcoins.

1) moolah.ch has a webwallet for VTC and a Merchant API, you can except alot of shops using Vertcoin soon.
2) ATMs are coming out and they will also support Vertcoin.
3) With digipay.io you can directly spend your Vertcoins at AMAZON - yes, the Beta phase will start soon.


Say thanks to Moolah guys! We are happy they are supporting us.


Also there is alot of Marketing coming soon:

1) We are working on a Vertcoin Movie, its pretty far already and we will post a preview in the next days.
2) We are reworking vertcoin.org to serve everything you need, we are also working on vertcoin.info a place where all
   info about Vertcoins will be posted, Tutorials, Videos, Wikis etc.
3) Pressreleases and Marketing Graphics etc. are all in the works while we speak.


Feel free to spread the word via Twitter and co!



Thanks I went ahead and made a moolah.ch account and sent some vertcoin to the address, I'm happy it also supports 2 factor authentication Smiley
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I forked off the dogecoin tri-fold wallet to make a vertcoin tri-fold wallet.  Source/download available here.

Live preview available here. Traffic from this site is not encrypted, and wallets generated on this live preview site should not be considered to be secure! This is for previewing purposes only!

Very nice.... props
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I forked off the dogecoin tri-fold wallet to make a vertcoin tri-fold wallet.  Source/download available here.

Live preview available here. Traffic from this site is not encrypted, and wallets generated on this live preview site should not be considered to be secure! This is for previewing purposes only!
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vert taking a hell of a drop.. along with most other coins. except freakin' DOGE
doge gained another 26 million in marketcap somehow.. amazing.

I'm still hanging onto my vert in the hopes of a comeback though.. mining slowly but surely
DOGE should not be ignored. However, the coin is playing a mean trick. They are mining coins much faster than other alt-coins. If the price of DOGE were fixed, the calculated market cap would increase by $1.2M every day due to the creation of new coins (although this rate will halve soon). The goodwill behind this coin combines with the inflation effect to setup a positive feedback loop. "The price is rising because people are buying, and people are buying because the price is rising." I advise that you hold some DOGE because this could go on for a while.  

BTW, there is plenty of room in the markets for DOGE and VTC.
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