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Topic: Vertcoin - First Scrypt N | First Stealth Address - Privacy without mixer - page 415. (Read 1232701 times)

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To the devs: Bitcoin is perceived as weak because transaction ID's cannot be used as unique identifiers. If you guys can resolve this issue before the BTC devs roll out their fix (and they MUST fix this), it will distinguish VTC above all others. In fact, such a fix may become the standard for patching other coins. It's better to fork early in the coin's life than later. Thanks for listening.


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Hey Vertcoin Team

do you really think implement zeroCoin/zerocash is a good idea?
i'am not familiar with zc, but i understand this as anonymization service.

is not one of the reason, why btc still has a bad reputation (at least for most ordinary people), because many shady business/transactions were done with the coin?
maybe implement a anonymization service can help to use vtc better for shady business and will harm its reputation?

i talked about vtc with 2 of our customers yesterday and they have mentioned this concern and i can understand this.

What do you think about this?

btw: sorry for my english, but i think you know what i mean



Is raising money for a banned political movement under a dictatorship "shady business"?

Is moving you assets ahead of a regime change that intends to persecute you shady business?

Is respecting constitutional rights to privacy shady business?

Now that I am a vertified expert in cryptocurrency (/sarc) I can say without a doubt that any shady business I get involved in I will use cash, same as ever. I don't know how difficult it is to do things with altcoin and not leave fingerprints and breadcrumbs all over the place, but I know I will probably never know enough that I can be sure of that.

I would like to have as few people as possible know I have online money or where it is though (bang up job I've done with that eh?) and if anonymizing helps all the better. Shady, no, just nobody's damn business.

(edit; Vertified was a typo but I kinda like it.)



I think that's beside the point.. If you listened to the Regulatory hearings in NYC recently and yes I did listen to all 4-5 hours of it, most of it was positive about Cryptocoins.
However, I did also get the impression that almost everyone agreed that Tumblers/Mixing services are the biggest problem (from a legal perspective)..

This means that in all likelihood US regulators (lead by NYC) will probably end up banning Tumblers and Mixing Services, which would effectively ban any coin that had those services embedded.

so on the one hand.. yes mixing is good for subversion of oppressive regimes.. but on the other hand it may be a barrier for broader market acceptance.

In my mind this means that even though none of the decentralized crypto currencies can be stopped outright, the ones with inbuilt mixers may end up being pushed out of the mainstream and so lose market share..


just something to consider. look what Russia and china banning the official use of Bitcoin as currency did to the Price of BTC.
yes BTC can still be traded as a commodity in those markets and yes there are still going to be black markets using them...

but the net result is that the price went DOWN.



Its a tough argument on the benefits vs drawbacks of zerocash. Personally I don't think you can have a widespread common currency that is also completely anonymous, because as much as everyone loves talking about privacy rights, you also have "the right" to pay your taxes which anonymous currency makes difficult for the government to know how much you should be paying and in all likely hood will not be accepted.  I think once vertcoin goes with zerocash there is no way it will be accepted as a legal method of payment but yes as jballs pointed out it will provide a great way to move money around and not be traceable even in the most extreme cases.  It just seems to me cryptocurrency is still getting its leg in the door when it comes to be accepted as an actual form of payment, don't you think we as the cryptocurrency community should be focused on getting our coin used like a currency? Though if the devs have already decided then we will just have to see how it will be like when it is implemented and hope for the best.
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Weird thought maybe, but could the sudden increase in hashrate be the pandacoin crowd testing the settings?

(Everything about that coin feels wrong BTW... Hope for their miners' sake that I'm wrong.)
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What is a Kraken?


giant octopus (hunting and eating the whale, at last i hope so  Undecided)

Maybe we should call japan too, they seems to be pros in whale killing.
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A lost 1.2 BTC vith VTC droping price ... sorry I ending with this coin  Sad

Its ok. You just made someone wealthier very soon from now.

Sorry for your loss.

Maybe ...

I Try make some profit BTC on DOGE rise up trend and then after halving if prise of doge skyrocket convert to VTC again :-)


 VTC should be Best choice for future!
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vert taking a hell of a drop.. along with most other coins. except freakin' DOGE
doge gained another 26 million in marketcap somehow.. amazing.

I'm still hanging onto my vert in the hopes of a comeback though.. mining slowly but surely
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I actually wish I had a few BTC right now to bust through these walls and get the price manipulators out of the game.



Not everyone who is selling large amounts is a 'price manipulator'. I got in early on vertcoin and was able to grab about 3k vert with only 3mhs hash power. I dumped these when vertcoin first started to get popular and the price was high. I definitely wasn't a 'manipulator.' Just trying to minimize my risk and sell the coins while they had worth. THat might be what you are seeing with these walls - just redistribution of the coins, which is good for the coin.


well said.

Taking in profits is reasonable, and advisable depending on individual circumstances. Redistribution of coins is healthy.
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Hello,

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sr. member
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A lost 1.2 BTC vith VTC droping price ... sorry I ending with this coin  Sad

Its ok. You just made someone wealthier very soon from now.

Sorry for your loss.
newbie
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I actually wish I had a few BTC right now to bust through these walls and get the price manipulators out of the game.



Not everyone who is selling large amounts is a 'price manipulator'. I got in early on vertcoin and was able to grab about 3k vert with only 3mhs hash power. I dumped these when vertcoin first started to get popular and the price was high. I definitely wasn't a 'manipulator.' Just trying to minimize my risk and sell the coins while they had worth. THat might be what you are seeing with these walls - just redistribution of the coins, which is good for the coin.
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A lost 1.2 BTC vith VTC droping price ... sorry I ending with this coin  Sad

I can't stand weak hands like you, sorry
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A lost 1.2 BTC vith VTC droping price ... sorry I ending with this coin  Sad
What are you going it sell it for? BTC? The whole crypto market has a systemic weakness with transaction malleability. You really should not be playing around today on the markets since the BTC exchanges are being spammed. Pay attention to what the major exchanges are doing and know that it's not safe to be moving money around right now.
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Today is not a good day to be in the crypto markets, full stop.
Volume is anemic, and prices everywhere are sliding. Just get prepared mentally/emotionally for VTC to slide some more, mainly because Father Bitcoin is sick.
Remember, this coin was just born, and many many people (even miners) that have no idea what Vertcoin is yet. Don't focus on the price. Focus on building a good coin, responsive community, and good interfaces that Mom can use. Example: WE NEED AN SMS TIPBOT and should put up a bounty on vertcoinmarket.
Personally, I'm still mining VTC (have been off and on for weeks) and I'm getting ready to buy more VTC because this coin is a dark horse.  

To the devs: Bitcoin is perceived as weak because transaction ID's cannot be used as unique identifiers. If you guys can resolve this issue before the BTC devs roll out their fix (and they MUST fix this), it will distinguish VTC above all others. In fact, such a fix may become the standard for patching other coins. It's better to fork early in the coin's life than later. Thanks for listening.


Completely agree. And about the second part... the devs are aware of this.
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If you want this coin to succeed, there is a simple solution:

Provide a fork of cgminer, which can mine scrypt (--scrypt) and adaptive n-factor scrypt (--nscrypt). And provide binaries.

This coin needs more hashing power, but it is still very complicated to compile the vertminer for linux. Although I would call myself an advanced user, it still took me hours. No increasing hashing power = no rise in price.


which can mine scrypt (--scrypt) and adaptive n-factor scrypt (--nscrypt)

This what i prepare now...
And i really know this will lead to a lot of issues with users just copying their cgminer config and crying why this does not work with --nscrypt

Binaries will come afterwards. But a compilation should really not take hours (ok, if everything is prepared)
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A lost 1.2 BTC vith VTC droping price ... sorry I ending with this coin  Sad
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CoinMetro
To the devs: Bitcoin is perceived as weak because transaction ID's cannot be used as unique identifiers. If you guys can resolve this issue before the BTC devs roll out their fix (and they MUST fix this), it will distinguish VTC above all others. In fact, such a fix may become the standard for patching other coins. It's better to fork early in the coin's life than later. Thanks for listening.
+1 that would be awesome news
hero member
Activity: 525
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Today is not a good day to be in the crypto markets, full stop.
Volume is anemic, and prices everywhere are sliding. Just get prepared mentally/emotionally for VTC to slide some more, mainly because Father Bitcoin is sick.
Remember, this coin was just born, and many many people (even miners) still have no idea what Vertcoin is yet. Don't focus on the price. Focus on building a good coin, responsive community, and good interfaces that Mom can use. Example: WE NEED AN SMS TIPBOT and should put up a bounty on vertcoinmarket.
Personally, I'm still mining VTC (have been off and on for weeks) and I'm getting ready to buy more VTC because this coin is a dark horse.  

To the devs: Bitcoin is perceived as weak because transaction ID's cannot be used as unique identifiers. If you guys can resolve this issue before the BTC devs roll out their fix (and they MUST fix this), it will distinguish VTC above all others. In fact, such a fix may become the standard for patching other coins. It's better to fork early in the coin's life than later. Thanks for listening.
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Wow someone is really trying to kill the price of VTC. Every time it starts gaining a wall appears on the sell side... Sad

Instead of speculating about the potential motives of people selling, I'd suggest just treating this as an opportunity to buy with a capped price - I wish someone would put a big sell wall up every time I wanted to buy!

This. I doubled my holdings in the last 24 hours

Wish I could... My BTC are held just like gonzzo's, although at bitcoin.de...

4 buy orders less then 0.004 open for vtc  Grin
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Wow someone is really trying to kill the price of VTC. Every time it starts gaining a wall appears on the sell side... Sad

Instead of speculating about the potential motives of people selling, I'd suggest just treating this as an opportunity to buy with a capped price - I wish someone would put a big sell wall up every time I wanted to buy!

This. I doubled my holdings in the last 24 hours

Wish I could... My BTC are held just like gonzzo's, although at bitcoin.de...
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Wow someone is really trying to kill the price of VTC. Every time it starts gaining a wall appears on the sell side... Sad

Instead of speculating about the potential motives of people selling, I'd suggest just treating this as an opportunity to buy with a capped price - I wish someone would put a big sell wall up every time I wanted to buy!

This. I doubled my holdings in the last 24 hours
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