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newbie
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A word from my side about crashing miner and hardware

Since some days i have a VTX3D R9 290 X-Edition card and there were and are issues with miner crashes and driver recoveries at stock clocks.

BUT: i know why this happens!

1) after i got the card and put it into my win 7 PC this thing was very very hot. even at 700 MHz i had 93°C with Intensity 14. Higher intensity: crash
   -> issue fixed: the original applied heat compound was crap. air gaps inside and some of the chip was not covered. Now with new heat compound it is much better than before.

2) after this heat compound thing i tried higher clock rates.
max stock 975 MHz and Intensity 15: crash after a few seconds. With Intensity 14 crash after <1 minute.
With 900 MHz: really hot but working, even with Intensity 20.
Test with furmark: with 975 MHz and max settings: no problems, works fine for > 5 minutes (just a short test performed)

Then i started HWInfo and checked the Voltages: with Furmark, the GPU voltage is at min somewhere at 0.98xV @ 975MHz.
With vertminer voltage is at 0.94xV @ 900MHz. Also the temps are not as high with furmark @ stock than with vertminer and lower clocks.

-> my conclusion:
for GPU testing purposes, furmark is a toy. If you want to perform real testing, use vertminer. The opencl kicks the GPU to the max and so everything else (regulators, memory) is used extensive.
And if the cards stock voltages are good enough to play games, this does not mean you can use the card with the same clocks for mining.

--> final word
If you encounter crashes, lower your clocks or increase the voltages! And a good cooling is a must!
The latest opencl kernel for the vertminer is even more optimized than the existing cgminer scrypt kernel. You can try to use the latest vertminer kernel also with scrypt cgminer (but needs some changes to work).
I am sure you will see also some sudden crashes when your card is at its limit...


Bufius,

Are you sure the card is OK? I've got Sapphire R9 290s (non-X), the standard reference design (with the hairdryer-like noisy fan).
With the engine @ 947 and mem @ 1500 and Intensity 18 my cards get 76C. Fan runs at 75%.

Higher intensities seem to crash the card at some point, as does a higher clock. Just FYI. I find 93C at 700 wit I14 a bit suspicious.
Edit: Ok, temp was before you fixed the paste problem, but still the crashing is odd. I *can* run the cards at 1000 clock, but they crash after hours/days then. At 85C btw.
full member
Activity: 322
Merit: 102
Guys,

Everybody agree on that the most reason of Doge success is their community and people.
So,

Our first step is to gather people around this coin,
What do u suggest?
Any idea to get people involve in vertcoin?

Plans are coming soon mate Smiley
newbie
Activity: 46
Merit: 0
A word from my side about crashing miner and hardware

Since some days i have a VTX3D R9 290 X-Edition card and there were and are issues with miner crashes and driver recoveries at stock clocks.

BUT: i know why this happens!

1) after i got the card and put it into my win 7 PC this thing was very very hot. even at 700 MHz i had 93°C with Intensity 14. Higher intensity: crash
   -> issue fixed: the original applied heat compound was crap. air gaps inside and some of the chip was not covered. Now with new heat compound it is much better than before.

2) after this heat compound thing i tried higher clock rates.
max stock 975 MHz and Intensity 15: crash after a few seconds. With Intensity 14 crash after <1 minute.
With 900 MHz: really hot but working, even with Intensity 20.
Test with furmark: with 975 MHz and max settings: no problems, works fine for > 5 minutes (just a short test performed)

Then i started HWInfo and checked the Voltages: with Furmark, the GPU voltage is at min somewhere at 0.98xV @ 975MHz.
With vertminer voltage is at 0.94xV @ 900MHz. Also the temps are not as high with furmark @ stock than with vertminer and lower clocks.

-> my conclusion:
for GPU testing purposes, furmark is a toy. If you want to perform real testing, use vertminer. The opencl kicks the GPU to the max and so everything else (regulators, memory) is used extensive.
And if the cards stock voltages are good enough to play games, this does not mean you can use the card with the same clocks for mining.

--> final word
If you encounter crashes, lower your clocks or increase the voltages! And a good cooling is a must!
The latest opencl kernel for the vertminer is even more optimized than the existing cgminer scrypt kernel. You can try to use the latest vertminer kernel also with scrypt cgminer (but needs some changes to work).
I am sure you will see also some sudden crashes when your card is at its limit...
sr. member
Activity: 490
Merit: 250
Guys,

Everybody agree on that the most reason of Doge success is their community and people.
So,

Our first step is to gather people around this coin,
What do u suggest?
Any idea to get people involve in vertcoin?
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
what is market explanation for pirce drop Huh  ...  is the diff for this vert got lowered ? .. or what it is
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
i am having a weird issue, my cgminer works fine for a while and randomly completely freezes my pc.  it doesnt happen right away.  i could be mining for hours, and then it just stops.  i have 8gb of ram.  do i need more?  or is this some other problem?

Did you overclock it? And are the temps keeping average?

i am overclocking.  my 6870 is at around 82, and 290x is at 89.  both cards should be able to handle these temps. 

I had the same problem with my Sapphire 7950's. They can handle above 80 too but it wasnt very stable anymore and randomly freezed the rig. After installing an additional fan over the cards the temp dropped to under 75 and the thing became stable.

alright, thanks for the tip.  i will look into cooling these puppies a bit better

Another thing to consider . . I was having random freeze issues too. After I ruled out a problem with cards, ram, or settings, and isolated the problem to one computer, I replaced the hard drive. No problems since.

Never re-use hard drives that start magically working again after not using them for 2 years post-crashing is what I learned here.
member
Activity: 94
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i am having a weird issue, my cgminer works fine for a while and randomly completely freezes my pc.  it doesnt happen right away.  i could be mining for hours, and then it just stops.  i have 8gb of ram.  do i need more?  or is this some other problem?

Did you overclock it? And are the temps keeping average?

i am overclocking.  my 6870 is at around 82, and 290x is at 89.  both cards should be able to handle these temps. 

I had the same problem with my Sapphire 7950's. They can handle above 80 too but it wasnt very stable anymore and randomly freezed the rig. After installing an additional fan over the cards the temp dropped to under 75 and the thing became stable.

alright, thanks for the tip.  i will look into cooling these puppies a bit better
member
Activity: 83
Merit: 10
i am having a weird issue, my cgminer works fine for a while and randomly completely freezes my pc.  it doesnt happen right away.  i could be mining for hours, and then it just stops.  i have 8gb of ram.  do i need more?  or is this some other problem?

Did you overclock it? And are the temps keeping average?

i am overclocking.  my 6870 is at around 82, and 290x is at 89.  both cards should be able to handle these temps. 

I had the same problem with my Sapphire 7950's. They can handle above 80 too but it wasnt very stable anymore and randomly freezed the rig. After installing an additional fan over the cards the temp dropped to under 75 and the thing became stable.
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Activity: 94
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i am having a weird issue, my cgminer works fine for a while and randomly completely freezes my pc.  it doesnt happen right away.  i could be mining for hours, and then it just stops.  i have 8gb of ram.  do i need more?  or is this some other problem?

Did you overclock it? And are the temps keeping average?

i am overclocking.  my 6870 is at around 82, and 290x is at 89.  both cards should be able to handle these temps. 
member
Activity: 83
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i am having a weird issue, my cgminer works fine for a while and randomly completely freezes my pc.  it doesnt happen right away.  i could be mining for hours, and then it just stops.  i have 8gb of ram.  do i need more?  or is this some other problem?

Did you overclock it? And are the temps keeping average?
member
Activity: 94
Merit: 10
Hey,

Just wondering if anyone else has had problems with p2pool?  I just started using it yesterday and was getting payed fine every time a block was found.  Then out of no where no payout for hours and hours even though shares were being accepted and blocks were found.  I only have about 350 kh/s, I don't know if that is the issue or not.

Thanks for any info.

start your own node, fixed all my problems
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Activity: 94
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i am having a weird issue, my cgminer works fine for a while and randomly completely freezes my pc.  it doesnt happen right away.  i could be mining for hours, and then it just stops.  i have 8gb of ram.  do i need more?  or is this some other problem?
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Activity: 168
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Actually, 5.5 hours. We're just unlucky today - I'm sure we'll hit some "easy" blocks soon to make up for it.

Right. I forgot to add the time zone change. Thanks for the reply.
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Boris: What is up with the pool. We didn't find a block in 7 hours?

Actually, 5.5 hours. We're just unlucky today - I'm sure we'll hit some "easy" blocks soon to make up for it.

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Boris: What is up with the pool. We didn't find a block in 7 hours?
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I don't understand the madness of some people. The price is 10x since last week, so the difficulty. This is really a reasonable growth and mining is still very profitable. The 0,0014 tag was crazy and caused a lot of trouble. Organic increase is always better than milking the coine to dead.
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All you'll end up with is a blockchain that's progressively harder to validate as time goes on, which is actually a bad thing.

Anyone care to comment on this?

This was one of the reasons the N-factor was rescheduled when the hardfork to KGW was released. We wanted to not only keep older GPUs in the game for longer, whilst still maintaining ASIC resistance, but we also wanted to leave open the option of running a full node (ie. a thick client, like the current Vertcoin-Qt) in the mid->far future on "modest" hardware.

As Vertcoin develops, one thing we are sure to see is an Electrum type SPV (simplified payment verification) wallet, in which there is no need for the client to validate the blockchain anyway, because it's done on the server, however philosophically I'm not overly keen on the idea of making this kind of thing something that most people feel the need to use because a full client is memory hungry, I'd rather it was an option but that people could still easily run a full node (to maximise decentralisation).

Yes, on a full node, the blockchain gets harder to validate as N increases, but Moores law and some awareness of history should suggest it is unlikely to be a big deal - it's like we were sat here 20 years ago talking about how by 2000 it will require a whopping 256MB of RAM to run X program, and how could anyone ever imagine having such an amount.

Thank you
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