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I'm seeing where the confusion is here. Not everybody knows what Zerocoin is. So could you please talk a little about this development would do for Vertcoin, without mentioning Zerocoin in the description?

OK, thanks for the pointer - I guess it was a little unclear. Here's what zerocoin does:

At the moment, every transaction you make on a blockchain is public. People may not know that ViPBVm4sbXT38h9J23GkAWfNKiuPwVUYQX == BorisTheSpider, but they know that at some point ViPBVm4sbXT38h9J23GkAWfNKiuPwVUYQX sent money to VpFumv3VWir4bczH1CVgatrZ7wJLLXauMR who then sent it to a shady organisation, or used it to buy rotten vegetables to pelt Ben Bernanke with.

This exploitation of connectedness to build a picture of what a network of individuals/addresses are doing is exactly what we have seen with the NSA doing traffic analysis and looking for patterns in who is linked to who, extending that to multiple levels, so not only do you now lose all privacy, but you also can get connected with stuff that you know absolutely nothing about and are not involved with. For example, when you send your VTC to an address that later funds a crime, you come under scrutiny even if you are entirely innocent.

Mixing services let you get rid of the linkage between particular pairs of addresses. For example, if we say that Alice wants to send some VTC to Bob, in a way that doesn't let people know anything about that transaction, then Trent can offer to act as a middle-man. Alice sends VTC to Trent, who then sends it on to Bob. To increase the degree to which this process unlink Alice and Bob, Trent can offer this service to lots of people, then he can wait a while after getting Alices VTC, and send it out to Bob in several transactions of different sizes which add up to the correct amount, so now it's even tougher to know whether the VTC that Trent sent to Bob came from Trent himself, from Carol (another user of Trents services), or from Alice.

BUT

How do we know Trent is on the level? Trent could run off with Alices VTC and never send anything to Bob. Trent could be an NSA shill. Trent could be keeping a log of who sent who what, so he can later use this log to extort the participants in the scheme. Trent could be on the level but still have someone come round his house one day and put a gun to his head demanding to know what he knows, and even if he doesn't keep logs, at least his current transactions in-transit would be compromised since he can't discard the information about who needs to receive what immediately - they have to be sent it first.

The existing mixing services are very trustful - they require a third party to act in a trustworthy way, and expose that third party to being threatened, bribed or otherwise manipulated into giving up information.

What if, instead, there was a way, right on the VTC blockchain, to mix coins, so that Alice could make a transaction (or set of transactions) that sent coins to Bob, without any third party being involved, and in a way that makes it impractical to trace that transaction. That's Zerocoin.



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At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet

This is what I found about Zerocoin & Zerocash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXU65XsLiFk
As far as I have read on reddit, Zerocash is a more viable option for VTC.

Thank you
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Activity: 168
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At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet

This is what I found about Zerocoin & Zerocash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXU65XsLiFk
As far as I have read on reddit, Zerocash is a more viable option for VTC.
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I'm not selling because if I dump, price will go a lot lower...  What will happen in a week? The devs are silent, no communication, no plans, nothing. I think that is the reason why people are loosing faith.

Sigh. The dev group in this coin are probably the most active anywhere. Even I need to sleep occasionally. Sorry if the communication hasn't been quite as good as before, I'll try to post a few more updates.

At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet



Being focused on diferent project then VTC I guess it's a bad thing, isn't it?




Maybe you misunderstood - these priorities are to get these things developed in Vertcoin, not as separate projects!!!

I'm seeing where the confusion is here. Not everybody knows what Zerocoin is. So could you please talk a little about this development would do for Vertcoin, without mentioning Zerocoin in the description?
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Activity: 210
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I'm not selling because if I dump, price will go a lot lower...  What will happen in a week? The devs are silent, no communication, no plans, nothing. I think that is the reason why people are loosing faith.

Sigh. The dev group in this coin are probably the most active anywhere. Even I need to sleep occasionally. Sorry if the communication hasn't been quite as good as before, I'll try to post a few more updates.

At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet



Being focused on diferent project then VTC I guess it's a bad thing, isn't it?

Maybe you misunderstood - these priorities are to get these things developed in Vertcoin, not as separate projects!!!
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I'm not selling because if I dump, price will go a lot lower...  What will happen in a week? The devs are silent, no communication, no plans, nothing. I think that is the reason why people are loosing faith.

Sigh. The dev group in this coin are probably the most active anywhere. Even I need to sleep occasionally. Sorry if the communication hasn't been quite as good as before, I'll try to post a few more updates.

At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet



Personal view aside, which is that you guys have done positively awesome in efery aspect, I have read many a launch thread. Latest being the last couple pages of the max debacle. By any comparison you have managed this impeccably and head and shoulders above the rest. A thing i learned once upon a time as a broker is some people love you when they are making money and hate you when they are losing money. Either way its got nothing to do with you its about then abd their money issues.

Vtc needed a cool down, would have preferred if btc had behaved but such is life. People think there is anything that never goes down have apparently never seen a market ever.

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To anyone who wants to quickly hack BAMT to use vertminer do this as root:

Code:
git clone https://github.com/Bufius/vertminer-gpu.git /tmp/vertminer
cd /tmp/vertminer
./buildit.sh
cp -R /tmp/vertminer /opt/miners/vertminer
cp /opt/miners/cgminer/ADL_SDK/* /opt/miners/vertminer/ADL_SDK/

Then create your vertminer.conf file in /etc/bamt/

Now edit /opt/bamt/gpumon...

Modify the IF loop around line 374-ish like so:

Code:
if (${$conf}{'gpu'.$key}{'cgminer'})
{
        ## MODIFIED FOR VERTMINER!
        # system("screen -r cgminer");
         system("screen -r vertminer");
}

Then edit /opt/bamt/common.pl...

Modify the ELSIF loop around line 960 like so:

Code:
elsif ($pid == 0)
{
        $ENV{DISPLAY} = ":0";
        $ENV{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} = "/opt/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/:";
        $ENV{GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS} = "1";

        ## MODIFIED FOR VERTMINER!
        # my $cmd = "cd /opt/miners/cgminer;/usr/bin/screen -d -m -S cgminer /opt/miners/cgminer/cgminer $args";
        my $cmd = "cd /opt/miners/vertminer;/usr/bin/screen -d -m -S vertminer /opt/miners/vertminer/vertminer $args";

Restart your miners and you should be using vertminer.

I'm now in the middle of creating my own ubuntu 13.10 live distro which includes BAMT and is dedicated for vertcoin - will start a thread when I get a chance.

If this was helpful to anyone hit me up with some LTC or VTC - I'm poor  Smiley
V: Vo49uyrJdQaYzpygauqw5WBgPTMyfN6sGP
L: Lewz5683RUKfSidU7rofN6bheiqYafNU7S

xx

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when working with vertcoin and replacement cgminer on vertminer not value changes "gpu-engine" and "gpu-memclock"
for any values ​​are 1000 and 1400 respectively!
how to change these values​​? through file cgminer.conf or vertminer.conf does not work!
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In the AMA the term Zerocash is mentioned a few times.

A quick google search returned mostly usernames, does anyone have a link to read up on that?

Ah, should that have been Zerocoin? That does yield interesting results...
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I'm not selling because if I dump, price will go a lot lower...  What will happen in a week? The devs are silent, no communication, no plans, nothing. I think that is the reason why people are loosing faith.

Sigh. The dev group in this coin are probably the most active anywhere. Even I need to sleep occasionally. Sorry if the communication hasn't been quite as good as before, I'll try to post a few more updates.

At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet



Being focused on diferent project then VTC I guess it's a bad thing, isn't it?
newbie
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In the AMA the term Zerocash is mentioned a few times.

A quick google search returned mostly usernames, does anyone have a link to read up on that?
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Guys, only to throw in something.

Daily supply of the coin is the same, even if there is a Nethashrate of 1GH or 10GH. KWG tries to regulate and hold blocktargettime on the same level (+- 10-20%)
The more miners are into the coin the higher diff goes and the lower is the share you are able to mine of the dayly supply.
So you get lower share.

My experiance is, if nethash is very high on a coin,  the more big whales are mining only to exchange their share to BTC or LTC -> more dumping
( like multipools do ) The lower diff is, the more loyal miners are into who mine to hold it or only sell to cover powercost.

If for the moment hash slowers down, no problem in my brain.

I am not able to mine VTC, so i do not know if at the momentary price and diff VTC is profitable to mine ?

Is there a profitability calculator already for VTC ?

VTC is not listed on coinwarz, maybe it won´t because it can not be calculatet as other scrypt coins.
Would be the best if they not list it. Grin

Sorry for my english i hope you can follow and comment this
  

Vertcoin Mining Calculator
http://www.verters.com/vertcoin-mining-calculator
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Guys, only to throw in something.

Daily supply of the coin is the same, even if there is a Nethashrate of 1GH or 10GH. KWG tries to regulate and hold blocktargettime on the same level (+- 10-20%)
The more miners are into the coin the higher diff goes and the lower is the share you are able to mine of the dayly supply.
So you get lower share.

My experiance is, if nethash is very high on a coin,  the more big whales are mining only to exchange their share to BTC or LTC -> more dumping
( like multipools do ) The lower diff is, the more loyal miners are into who mine to hold it or only sell to cover powercost.

If for the moment hash slowers down, no problem in my brain.

I am not able to mine VTC, so i do not know if at the momentary price and diff VTC is profitable to mine ?

Is there a profitability calculator already for VTC ?

VTC is not listed on coinwarz, maybe it won´t because it can not be calculatet as other scrypt coins.
Would be the best if they not list it. Grin

Sorry for my english i hope you can follow and comment this
  
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I'm not selling because if I dump, price will go a lot lower...  What will happen in a week? The devs are silent, no communication, no plans, nothing. I think that is the reason why people are loosing faith.

Sigh. The dev group in this coin are probably the most active anywhere. Even I need to sleep occasionally. Sorry if the communication hasn't been quite as good as before, I'll try to post a few more updates.

At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet

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http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/1xcnne/i_am_the_developer_of_vertcoin_here_to_explain_to/
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I'm not selling because if I dump, price will go a lot lower...  What will happen in a week? The devs are silent, no communication, no plans, nothing. I think that is the reason why people are loosing faith.

Sigh. The dev group in this coin are probably the most active anywhere. Even I need to sleep occasionally. Sorry if the communication hasn't been quite as good as before, I'll try to post a few more updates.

At the moment, the top dev priorities are:

1. Zerocoin

2. Android wallet

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Activity: 182
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OKay, BTC putting in a solid floor at 700 and nice reversal pattern with a strong buywall on crypled. VTC is diverging now from the ltc price action... I think maybe people ARE selling litecoin and moving to vert. Starting to anyway. Best setup for a rally thus far on the technicals in VTC, long as btc holds this floor I think the lows are in.



Shelter from the storm...?
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Is there a way to mine via Nvidia GPU without cuda?  I'm operating from a few installations of Porteus 2.1 Linux, and for whatever multitude of reasons, the cuda-toolkit just will not install correctly, thus cudaminer will not build (either normal or vertcoin variants).

I'd love to see VTC's algo added to the standard bfgminer (unlikely, due to dev's lack of scrypt interest), cgminer, etc, but until then, is there a way to mine with OpenCL?
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Also, can someone recommend a good pool? I will be using cudaminer.

Glad to be here, not sure how I neglected Vert earlier.

Try vtcpool.co.uk. So far a great experience. Boris keeps things running smooth.

Thanks for mentioning me! I haven't been advertising the pool recently, because things haven't been as smooth as I'd like - we got DDoS attacked very badly a few days ago, and we're not finished yet making the upgrades we need to make to let the pool scale next time VTC goes vertical, so I've been keeping a low profile, but that should change as soon as the pool is moved over to the new dedicated servers.
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After a long hack session, I finally cranked out Vertdice! It has the same principle as Satoshidice - you send VTC to an address, and within a few seconds it will either send you a trivial amount of VTC (loss) or a payout (win). The website doesn't look very good ATM, and the amount of VTC you can wager is currently small to avoid going over bankroll, but please check it out and let me know if you have any questions/suggestions/concerns!

http://54.200.179.21

or

http://vertdice [dot] tk

VERTDICE - VERTCOIN's FIRST BLOCKCHAIN DICE GAME
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