Topic: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son - page 27. (Read 4111 times)

The argument would be a lot more solid if there was no good reason, other than a corrupt one, to make firing Shokin a prerequisite for a $1b+ in loan.

That's just not the case though.

The whole thing is really about the EU/USA vs Russia.

Ukraine was recovering from just ousting an extremely corrupt president who had Putins full support. 

Russia had just been kicked from the G9 (now G8) for invading Ukraine and annexing crimea.

Shokin had a record of being very pro Russia and very corrupt.  He blocked the prosecution of a bunch of guys who open fired on a Ukrainian Independence protest.  He blocked the prosecution of a bunch other prosecutors who were caught taking bribes.  Yet he raided and prosecuted anti Russian groups for anything he could find.

Basically, he was an obstacle in Ukraines fight for independence from Russia.

The US and the EU considered helping Ukraine maintain their independence a matter of international security.  So did the IMF, EBRD and a bunch of other international organizations.

All of these countries and organizations also considered Shokin a serious threat to Ukraines future.

The Obama administration (not Biden) decided that loaning Ukraine the money while Shokin was still in power would make things worse, not better. 

Biden went over and convinced them to fire him.  Then he bragged about it because he accomplished something that most of the world was hoping would happen.

WTF... So you're saying Zlochevsky bribed Biden and hired Bidens son as apart of it? Wow. Ok then. So please do tell/show me where there is anything that shows that's the case here. I'd love to see how all the US policy and everything was just an elaborate smoke screen so Biden could carry out the dirty work from the "bribe". That must have been some massive bribe for everyone to go along with that.

For the briber to hire a family member of the bribed, and pay him huge amounts of money for nothing, is a time honored method of bribing literally going back centuries ... likely millenia.

Rather interesting that you'd evoke the question of "proof."

This is true.  He's not running for president though.

biden son isn't just corrupt he also was found to be a drug addict.

There is no evidence in that post. It's just Biden bragging about threatening to withhold funds as part of the goal to pressure them into doing a better job at dealing with corruption. Where the proof that it was a bribe? Quoting "the hill" where they interview the guy who was fired and will have an axe to grind is your proof? You haven't presented any proof anywhere. I mean seriously. At least I could dig up again a document that outlines a bunch of allegations based on some "interview" or other. Course, it's over the top and smells of being a fake given things like it's in English yet says it was translated from Ukrainian to Russian. But still.

Geez. Now you're making yourself out to be some sort of delusional person that thinks he's the "savior" with your comment about me not being savable.

Why would you be afraid of being criticized if you have facts and proof you can show to backup your claims.

Are you saying you don't think there's any conflict of interest?

The evidence is in the op and more in the following posts. I should make a correction, I don't give a fuck if people like you believe me, because you are a brain dead lemming beyond saving. People who are still capable of exercising free thought will still be willing to review the information presented even if they don't agree. Don't speak for me parrot boy. I didn't say I knew everything. You asked me a general question and you got an equally general reply because we both know you are really only fishing for more things to criticize, not to learn new things.

UK investigating Zlochevsky and gets Ukraine to do so as well.
US gets involved and pressures Ukraine to do more for the UK.
Ukraine does nothing and Zlochevsky gets the money and whisks it away.
Biden goes to Ukraine and tells them to deal with corruption.
US ambassador slams them for not doing enough to deal with corruption and in particular, Shokin.
Embassy suggests to WH that they tie the money to anti-corruption
Biden threatens to withhold funds if Shokin isn't fired.
IMF threatens to withhold funds if Shokin isn't fired.
Shokin is fired and replaced.

So all these groups wanting the guy fired. Where exactly is a "bribe" by Biden. Point me to the proof that it was a blatant bribe so they wouldn't investigate his son.



You wouldn't make these sorts of threads unless you wanted people to believe you. Well. I suppose you would if you were nothing more than a troll.

So you know the truth about everything but won't share with everyone all your sources of this fantastic information. Gotcha.

You aren't actually refuting anything I am saying, you are just telling me I am wrong and I should just accept your beliefs. Just because you imagine it to be "blatantly false" because that makes you feel more comfortable doesn't make it a fact. Frankly I don't give a flying fuck who believes me. This information needs to be discussed and people like you are only interested in serving your own confirmation bias and enabling people incapable of independent thought who think just like you. Unlike you I don't form my opinions and views on the world based on how popular they are.

I get my information from everywhere, because there is no such thing as bad information, only useless interpretations of it. You invoking Shapiro and Beck show me clearly you think this paradigm only exists on a right vs left spectrum when the important distinction is between independent and establishment. Modern popular news media is about as unreliable as you can get. You know what though, that's not true, they are reliable. Reliably full of shit.

My first message was about how ineffective you are in trying to make people see your point of view when you use blatantly false information and then continue to argue about it even when it's shown how it's false. The fact that you took that as a personal attack says more about you and your state of mind than about anything else.

I didn't say they were valid news sources. But they are a good way for me to come up with alternate avenues of thought and research for information. I would love to know where you get all your "valid" information from. Please do share as I'm always looking for more places for facts.

[makes personal attacks then immediately condemns me for making personal attacks, the proceeds to make more personal attacks]

Well there is your problem! You think Glen Beck and Ben Shapiro are valid news sources. It is not just the leftist media that is the problem, it is the ESTABLISHMENT media. Even good people operating within it are on a very short leash and gagged (this is not to imply Beck and Shapiro are good people, they are not).

I don't watch MSNBC.. Probably count on one hand how many times I've watched anything from them. I get my information all over the place even including things like Glenn Beck sometimes, Ben Shapiro.. You know.. Other then some CNN, I listen to more people bashing the left then actually listening to the left.. And when I want the facts, I go and dig it up from all sorts of sources so I can piece together the truth. Go figure.

You must be really insecure in yourself and your "facts" if you have to immediately turn to attacking someone. I have yet to see you actually prove anything to anyone. Your ranting like an insane person is entertaining though.

Do I have to break out the NO U! meme again? You aren't talking about Trump directly, you are talking about his sons. Any accusations of conflict of interest against Trump have already been gone over 1000 times by now. If there was ANYTHING substantial dems would have been all over it like a 2 bit whore by now. The combination of the pattern of Joe Biden's direct involvement in favorable policy towards foreign entities combined with funneling large amounts of money to his immediate family is clearly illicit. There is no equivalence here no matter how desperate you are to manufacture it with more accusations of NO U!!!1



Unless you are going to contribute something to the conversation other than your confirmation bias and regurgitation of talking points you heard on Rachel Maddow, how about you fuck off you lemming. At least TwitchySeal is capable of having a conversation. You just saw a good opportunity to start a circle jerk. Save it for your hive mind buddies and go stroke each other off because your condemnations are worth less than a steaming pile of dog shit.



 That is a VERY GOOD POINT! How many other people are implicated in these crimes? What OTHER crimes might this whole Biden pay for play scheme expose? Who has interest in making sure that never happens?

Don't forget Biden was not the president.  It was Obamas call.

I don't understand how you think anyone can take anything you have to say about theses sorts of things seriously, when it's crystal clear that Biden was implementing the US policy at the time, not to mention all the other countries/groups that were also calling for the guy to be fired. When you throw out garbage like this, then even if you bring up real points that are worth discussing, you simply get dismissed immediately.

And you're not telling me if you think there's a conflict of interest.

In the end it really doesn't matter.  Trump being "personally paid" by any other country is prohibited by the constitution.

I'm still curious though, do you think Trump has a conflict of interest with Turkey or Saudi Arabia?  Does the fact that the Trump Organization, run by his sons, does business with them make you even raise an eyebrow?

You still aren't telling me what Trump supposedly gave to Saudi Arabia in exchange.

I guess I'm retarded then.  I see plenty of conflict of interest in Trump being paid directly by companies all over the world.

Do you think this qualifies as a conflict of interest?

Trump_Towers_Istanbul
The property developer is Turkish billionaire Aydın Doğan, in a license-partnership with American businessman and current United States President Donald Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/https://en.wikipedia.org

How about the fact that Trump sold the 45th floor of Trump Tower NY to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

The company his sons are running is generating revenue in both examples. Conflict or Na?

Sure, totally the same thing. All you have to do is ignore conflict of interest and blatant on camera quid pro quo to compare the two. You are either retarded or disingenuous.