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Topic: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son - page 31. (Read 4111 times)

legendary
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Except Ukraine was not informed of the funding being held when he made the phone call, thus there is no way it could have been interpreted as being used as leverage over them because they were not aware of it. He probably did know the investigation was opening again, and wanted to make it clear to the new president that not only would he not resist the investigation, he wanted it to happen.

Are you saying you think that the investigation had been reopened and ongoing during the phone call, and Trump was fully aware that the investigation was ongoing at the time.

It's not impossible I guess, but it seems very unlikely.



Do we know exactly when/if the investigation was officially reopened?  Was it March?  Or do we just know that they were planning on it in Feb.

What I am saying is it doesn't matter and I don't care. The important part is the dems got baited into exposing their own crimes.
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Except Ukraine was not informed of the funding being held when he made the phone call, thus there is no way it could have been interpreted as being used as leverage over them because they were not aware of it. He probably did know the investigation was opening again, and wanted to make it clear to the new president that not only would he not resist the investigation, he wanted it to happen.

Are you saying you think that the investigation had been reopened and ongoing during the phone call, and Trump was fully aware that the investigation was ongoing at the time.

It's not impossible I guess, but it seems very unlikely.



Do we know exactly when/if the reporter is claiming investigation was officially reopened?  Was it March?  Or do we just know that they were planning on it in Feb.


legendary
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There's obviously something missing here.

Assuming Solomon is right (big if), the new timeline is:

Feb 2019: Ukraine General Prosecutor re-opens Burisma investigation (or plans on re-opening)
April 21 2019: Ukraine Presidential Election
May 20 2019: New President takes office
July 15 2019: Trump stops ~$400m of aid to Ukraine
July 25 2019: Trump/Ukraine phone call
August 29 2019: New General Prosecutor for Ukraine takes office (replacing the guy that re-opened in Feb)

Couple possible explanations:

Trump didn't know that the investigation had already been opened (seems unlikely).

The investigation was closed before July 15, and now that there was a new President (and soon to be new Prosecutor) Trump figured he could get them to open the investigation for the third time.



If this were something that made Trump look good, and Trump knew about it, he'd be screaming it from the hilltops weeks ago.  Now that it's been on fox news though, I bet he starts.

Except Ukraine was not informed of the funding being held when he made the phone call, thus there is no way it could have been interpreted as being used as leverage over them because they were not aware of it. He probably did know the investigation was opening again, and wanted to make it clear to the new president that not only would he not resist the investigation, he wanted it to happen.

The big picture you on the left are missing here is that this phone call was primarily designed as a trap, as made evident by his mentioning of Crowdstrike during the call. He is a brilliant tactician who understands the Democrat dynamic of accusing their opponents of the crimes they themselves are guilty of, and they would not be able to resist trying to cast this as foreign election interference. The Democrat party and the media took the bait hook, line, and sinker, and he used them all to blow the Biden corruption wide open. This is judo 101, using your enemy's momentum and force against them. Your unrelenting blind hysteria is only serving him now.
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Read the whole article. This Biden thing gets crazier by the minute.


Ukrainian government planned in February to RE-open probe into corrupt gas company that paid both Bidens



Long before President Donald Trump spoke to Ukrainian President Zelensky about Obama-era corruption, that government was planning to reopen an investigation into a corrupt gas company that once employed Joe Biden’s son Hunter as an “adviser” and paid the former vice president $900,000 through a straw firm.

“I can confirm to you tonight, the U.S. government had open source intelligence and was aware that as early as February in 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning on reopening the Burisma investigation,” investigative reporter and Fox News contributor John Solomon told Sean Hannity Tuesday night.

“This was long before the president ever imagined to have a call with President Zelensky. In fact it’s before President Zelensky was even elected. This is a significant shift in the factual timeline. This is information that was omitted from the whistleblower’s complaint,” he added, referencing the deep state CIA official who claimed to have second-hand information that President Trump made threats against Ukraine and solicited ‘dirt’ on the Bidens during a call to Zelensky in July.

Neither of those claims is true according to a transcript of that phone call released last month by the White House.

Solomon noted that while the request to reopen the probe was made in February, it wasn’t until late March when the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office agreed to it.


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There's obviously something missing here.

Assuming Solomon is right (big if), the new timeline is:

Feb 2019: Ukraine General Prosecutor re-opens Burisma investigation (or plans on re-opening)
April 21 2019: Ukraine Presidential Election
May 20 2019: New President takes office
July 15 2019: Trump stops ~$400m of aid to Ukraine
July 25 2019: Trump/Ukraine phone call
August 29 2019: New General Prosecutor for Ukraine takes office (replacing the guy that re-opened in Feb)

Couple possible explanations:

Trump didn't know that the investigation had already been opened (seems unlikely).

The investigation was closed before July 15, and now that there was a new President (and soon to be new Prosecutor) Trump figured he could get them to open the investigation for the third time.



If this were something that made Trump look good, and Trump knew about it, he'd be screaming it from the hilltops weeks ago.  Now that it's been on fox news though, I bet he starts.








legendary
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Read the whole article. This Biden thing gets crazier by the minute.


Ukrainian government planned in February to RE-open probe into corrupt gas company that paid both Bidens



Long before President Donald Trump spoke to Ukrainian President Zelensky about Obama-era corruption, that government was planning to reopen an investigation into a corrupt gas company that once employed Joe Biden’s son Hunter as an “adviser” and paid the former vice president $900,000 through a straw firm.

“I can confirm to you tonight, the U.S. government had open source intelligence and was aware that as early as February in 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning on reopening the Burisma investigation,” investigative reporter and Fox News contributor John Solomon told Sean Hannity Tuesday night.

“This was long before the president ever imagined to have a call with President Zelensky. In fact it’s before President Zelensky was even elected. This is a significant shift in the factual timeline. This is information that was omitted from the whistleblower’s complaint,” he added, referencing the deep state CIA official who claimed to have second-hand information that President Trump made threats against Ukraine and solicited ‘dirt’ on the Bidens during a call to Zelensky in July.

Neither of those claims is true according to a transcript of that phone call released last month by the White House.

Solomon noted that while the request to reopen the probe was made in February, it wasn’t until late March when the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office agreed to it.


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I wonder why the chalkboard doesnt explain us about the Parnas and Fruman case.
legendary
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legendary
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Good find!

I recall never documented foreign donations to Obama's campaign as being around 92M.
legendary
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legendary
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Just more bullshit to justify holding aid hostage from Ukraine. Of course, this will be an impeachment offense for Trump.

Just more Republican corruption at the highest levels of government.  Roll Eyes

Yep, you'll get that evidence any day now... any day...
says the idiot posting this 9/11 conspiracy theory nonsense  that has all been debunked by credible science years ago.

dude,  I like reading your posts because you do show some sense of intelligence,
regardless of  your "beat my chest, I'm am the greatest, how dare you question my authority" tone, and being total opposites in ideology.
But after  posting  this 9/11 drivel you basically lost what little credibility you had with me.
And yeah, I know you don't give a shit, I'm just saying.

Cue incoming flame in 3..2   (or post deleted like my other ones)

Yeah, your right, the laws of physics have been debunked a long time ago. Nah, I think I will just report your post for being off topic (probably like your other ones). You are right about one thing though, I don't give a fuck about your opinion.
legendary
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Just more bullshit to justify holding aid hostage from Ukraine. Of course, this will be an impeachment offense for Trump.

Just more Republican corruption at the highest levels of government.  Roll Eyes

Yep, you'll get that evidence any day now... any day...
says the idiot posting this 9/11 conspiracy theory nonsense  that has all been debunked by credible science years ago.

dude,  I like reading your posts because you do show some sense of intelligence,
regardless of  your "beat my chest, I'm am the greatest, how dare you question my authority" tone, and being total opposites in ideology.
But after  posting  this 9/11 drivel you basically lost what little credibility you had with me.
And yeah, I know you don't give a shit, I'm just saying.

Cue incoming flame in 3..2   (or post deleted like my other ones)
legendary
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"Reminder: No intelligence agency ever saw the evidence of the alleged russian hacking reported by CrowdStrike."

 https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/reminder-no-intelligence-agency-ever-saw-the-evidence-of-the-alleged-russian-hacking-reported-by-crowdstrike/


"BREAKING: Nancy Pelosi’s Son Was Exec At Gas Company That Did Business In Ukraine"

http://nationalfile.com/breaking-nancy-pelosis-son-was-exec-at-gas-company-that-did-business-in-ukraine/
legendary
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I actually saw this video on Donald Trump's instagram page but I initially doubted it's authenticity because it was mainly posted by Trump himself ....

Might be wise to reverse that logic, and doubt the authenticity of everything presented by the liars and schemers behind the fake news AGAINST TRUMP.

You'd be betting 5 for 5 then.
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Argument by ridicule confronts you now Tecshare, and on multiple fronts.

So you must be on to something.

This is why I stopped giving a fuck what people think a long time ago. Most people are too intellectally lazy to think for themselves and too broke to pay attention. I have spent an exceptional amount of time following and learning about these topics over decades. It doesn't make me smarter than anyone else, but more like an athletes trains their body I train my mind.

When these shit heels try this cheap lazy shit it feels like some stick boy challenging a professional power lifter to a fight. People don't have to be stick boys, but they are too lazy to put in the effort to change that then call me arrogant for pointing out they are stick boys. Consciousness is a burden after all, and being brain dead is a lot simpler. Also if people learned something that challenged their belief system, they might be forced to change the way they live and view the world, and who wants that?
I actually saw this video on Donald Trump's instagram page but I initially doubted it's authenticity because it was mainly posted by Trump himself but on further evaluation,  it seems to be very legit and I know why the biased US and even Global media as a whole are not talking about it which further shows that they all have an angle in the very news that they report to the masses.
legendary
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Argument by ridicule confronts you now Tecshare, and on multiple fronts.

So you must be on to something.

This is why I stopped giving a fuck what people think a long time ago. Most people are too intellectally lazy to think for themselves and too broke to pay attention. I have spent an exceptional amount of time following and learning about these topics over decades. It doesn't make me smarter than anyone else, but more like an athletes trains their body I train my mind.

When these shit heels try this cheap lazy shit it feels like some stick boy challenging a professional power lifter to a fight. People don't have to be stick boys, but they are too lazy to put in the effort to change that then call me arrogant for pointing out they are stick boys. Consciousness is a burden after all, and being brain dead is a lot simpler. Also if people learned something that challenged their belief system, they might be forced to change the way they live and view the world, and who wants that?
legendary
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"The Truth About Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Ukraine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hxywnF3Mw

Yo kids, never watch anything started with "The truth about..."

A quick search help us to find out a bit more the author
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Stefan Basil Molyneux (/stəˈfæn ˈmɒlɪnjuː/; born September 24, 1966) is a far-right, white nationalist Canadian podcaster and YouTuber who is known for his promotion of scientific racism and white supremacist views.
Molyneux is known for his promotion of white supremacist views and for his promotion of related conspiracy theories

Man, I swear I barely shit my pants here
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Russia has already developed an alternate payment system that is more popular than SWIFT within the country.

Whoa TECSHARE keep spreading some weird shit on the forum?! Who wouldve known

When you can't argue any of the facts presented, attack the character of the one presenting it. Anyone actually familiar with his work knows that is horse shit. You might as well have just called him a Nazi bigot homophobe and ran away screeching REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

He is neither far right, nor "white nationalist", racist or supremacist. Just because far left Canadian loons are populating his wikipedia page with lies because he doesn't bow to their Marxist collectivist insanity from where you copied that from doesn't make any of those accusations true. You have no argument of your own, so in your usual pathetic form you are forced to smear the character of the person presenting the information that is completely verifiable by the litany of 3rd party sources he has provided in the video description.

EDIT: "Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge"
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/



Argument by ridicule confronts you now Tecshare, and on multiple fronts.

So you must be on to something.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
"The Truth About Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Ukraine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hxywnF3Mw

Yo kids, never watch anything started with "The truth about..."

A quick search help us to find out a bit more the author
Quote
Stefan Basil Molyneux (/stəˈfæn ˈmɒlɪnjuː/; born September 24, 1966) is a far-right, white nationalist Canadian podcaster and YouTuber who is known for his promotion of scientific racism and white supremacist views.
Molyneux is known for his promotion of white supremacist views and for his promotion of related conspiracy theories

Man, I swear I barely shit my pants here
Quote
Russia has already developed an alternate payment system that is more popular than SWIFT within the country.

Whoa TECSHARE keep spreading some weird shit on the forum?! Who wouldve known

When you can't argue any of the facts presented, attack the character of the one presenting it. Anyone actually familiar with his work knows that is horse shit. You might as well have just called him a Nazi bigot homophobe and ran away screeching REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

He is neither far right, nor "white nationalist", racist or supremacist. Just because far left Canadian loons are populating his wikipedia page with lies because he doesn't bow to their Marxist collectivist insanity from where you copied that from doesn't make any of those accusations true. You have no argument of your own, so in your usual pathetic form you are forced to smear the character of the person presenting the information that is completely verifiable by the litany of 3rd party sources he has provided in the video description.

EDIT: "Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge"
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/

copper member
Activity: 150
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"The Truth About Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Ukraine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hxywnF3Mw

Yo kids, never watch anything started with "The truth about..."

A quick search help us to find out a bit more the author
Quote
Stefan Basil Molyneux (/stəˈfæn ˈmɒlɪnjuː/; born September 24, 1966) is a far-right, white nationalist Canadian podcaster and YouTuber who is known for his promotion of scientific racism and white supremacist views.
Molyneux is known for his promotion of white supremacist views and for his promotion of related conspiracy theories

Man, I swear I barely shit my pants here
Quote
Russia has already developed an alternate payment system that is more popular than SWIFT within the country.

Whoa TECSHARE keep spreading some weird shit on the forum?! Who wouldve known

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