Topic: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son - page 9. (Read 4111 times)

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Then what are Pompeo and Giuliani talking about here if the subpoenas don't exist?

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These particular 3rd parties are not "independent of the matter..." -- they are the recipients of the subpoenas you claim don't exist acknowledging receipt of said subpoenas.


I know you're just trying to wear me down here by being stubborn in your ignorance, trying to disguise it as some sort of logically-principled high ground. At the end of the day, which it is well past for you, you're still wrong regardless of your inability to digest evidence that suggests your belief is wrong.

The rest of the world has already moved on from the issue. The subpoenas were served, some complied with them, some did not. Some of the subpoenaed individuals have already given testimony, and copies of their actual subpoena documents have been publicly released. Yet here you are still, white knuckling this one rock of ignorance in a sea of truth, completely encased in the fear of having to admit you were wrong, unable to move on.

Trump has been all but impeached at this point, but because you can't see a copy of two particular subpoena documents, they must not be real, despite the individuals receiving said subpoenas having acknowledged their existence.

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actual picture of TECSHARE claiming yet another victory from his logically-principled high ground

You refuse to budge off this one particular point because you get schooled every time you try to approach the topic from another angle. First you tried to bring up the equivalence of believing in Bigfoot, then you tried to talk about courts of record, then you tried to redefine what a house clerk does. Now you are hanging on to this one stupid rock as a tidal wave of evidence smothers you.

If you had a decent answer to my question, you would give it. But you don't, so you won't. Keep hanging on to that rock if its all you've got.

My recognized inability to produce the subpoenas doesn't prevent you from being able to answer my question. Why would you still believe the subpoenas don't exist when Pompeo and Giuliani, their recipients, acknowledged receiving them?

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Surely if you had a rational reason for not believing Pompeo and Giuliani, you would answer the question.

I provided answers to your question. Now just answer mine: why would you still believe the subpoenas don't exist when Pompeo and Giuliani, their recipients, acknowledged receiving them?

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It's just a question. Surely if you had a reasonable response you could give it here.

I've answered your question about why I can't produce the subpoenas. Why can't you just answer mine?

You don't owe me an explanation but it sure would help you to not look like a dishonest dick if you provided one.

The difference between me and you is I am unable to provide a copy of the subpoena whereas you are unwilling to answer the question of why you still believe subpoenas received by Pompeo and Giuliani don't exist. How could the subpoenas not exist if they acknowledged receiving them?

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Its just a question. I'm not asking you to prove anything. I just want to know what your rationale here is. You insist the subpoenas don't exist. Pompeo and Giuliani - the people who received them - confirm that they do. Why do you still believe they don't exist?


Which was no answer at all, because you're a coward.

What the fuck are you talking about, "in the exact way I demand"? Why can't you just answer the question?

Why do you think Pompeo and Giuliani are lying or mistaken about having received a suboena?

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You can answer it in any way you want to, so long as you provide an answer. Obviously you insist that the subpoenas don't exist, so what exactly are Pompeo and Giuliani referring to when they use the word "subpoena"?

Don't be a coward and worm your way out of this. Just explain your rationale here.

Substantiation of my premise has been presented to you a hundred times. You have ignored all evidence in order to continue sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and shouting "Show me the subpoenas!" like a toddler. This doesn't make you correct. It makes you a fool.

Why do you think Pompeo and Giuliani are lying or mistaken about having received a suboena? If you know better than them, and us, explain the situation to us.

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Or, just dodge the question again if you are a coward.

I mean, I'm just saying other peoples opinions should be respected when discussing politics.  Even if you disagree.

I can provide plenty of facts though, if that's what you're interested in.

For example:

- I didn't say what you just quoted me as saying.

- The House said they sent subpoenas to Rudy and Pompeo before Oct 31st.

- The current month is November.

- Rudy and Pompeo confirmed they received the subpoenas.

- Trump was elected president over 3 years ago.

- The 2020 Summer Olympics will be in Tokyo.

- Roger Stone, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, Papadopolous are all convicted felons.

- Hillary has no criminal record - not even an indictment (!)



^^^Theses are all facts....right?

Since we are speaking for each other now.


I am interested in facts and proof. You can't provide that.

If you aren't interested in other people words, opinions, and assumptions the P&S forum is a waste of your time.

edit: unless you're just here to troll

I am a new breed of crypto-fascist that fronts with a humanist exterior.

Oh no, words, opinions, and assumptions.

Its been presented to you a hundred times. You've ignored it every time. Nobody else believes the subpoenas don't exist except for you. Feel free to repeat you idiotic counterargument yet again if you insist.

"Video of Joe Biden admitting that he bribed the Ukrainian President with $1 billion dollars to fire lead prosecutor investigating his corrupt son"

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/alert-video-of-joe-biden-admitting-that-he-bribed-the-ukrainian-president-with-1-billion-dollars-to-fire-lead-prosecutor-investigating-his-corrupt-son-is-being-scrubbed-from-youtube-and-other-social/

In this case, it certainly is. Your entire charade is based out of your pathological inability to admit that you are wrong.


And with that sentence you reveal that you know nothing.


I don't have a burden of proof. As I knew before we started this whole saga, you will never admit when you are wrong. Its just been fun watching you squirm under the crushing weight of your own ego and ignorance. What you've proven to me here beyond a reasonable doubt is that you're an arrogant hack. Frankly I don't give 2 shits what you believe.

It's not just "a large number of people" who disagree with you, its everyone. You are saying everyone is wrong on the subject except for you, including the people who received the subpoenas and their lawyers.

You know nothing about constitutional law, yet here you are saying you know better than the lawyers practicing it. You are an arrogant fool.

No, that's not reasonable given the fact that the people who received said subpoenas have acknowledged their existence. They aren't Democrats, they aren't liberal media, they aren't me or TwitchySeal. They are extremely loyal employees of the president. And here you are, fighting their words because they aren't in line with your incorrect belief that the subpoenas don't exist.

We already told you 20 times: we can't produce the subpoenas because they are not online.

https://www.justsecurity.org/67076/public-document-clearinghouse-ukraine-impeachment-inquiry/

There is a copy of the subpoena for DoD employee Laura Cooper, probably because she agreed to it and gave testimony already:

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ukraine-clearinghouse-2019.10.23.Cooper-subpoena.pdf

Jon Sale, counsel for Giuliani, knows this subject far better than you or any of us, and in his response to congress he acknowledges Giuliani's receipt of a subpoena:

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He's not making half-assed arguments about "due process" or questioning the fact that the subpoena exists. And his word trumps yours on this issue every day of the week.

Actually the words of others are absolutely a 'standard of evidence'.  In fact, believe it or not, subpoenas are often used to get people to say words that are then used to as evidence.  It's true that people talk about lots of things that don't exist, so you should consider the credibility of the person speaking as well as what they are saying.

If, for example, the Secretary of State says he received a subpoena, and he had no motive to lie about receiving that subpoena, then it should definitely be taken into consideration when considering whether or not the subpoena actually exists. 

Son of House Speaker Pelosi made money in Ukraine as well. Hmmm. The left is scrubbing all videos to hide their tracks right now…