Topic: ... Vitamin-D Rollout following 82% reduction in COVID-19 deaths in Spain - page 4. (Read 808 times)

badecker. your ignorance is clear.

my point if you ever intend to read something. is that your recommendation to overdose on supplements sounds like the PR material of herbalife pyramid scam "just buy more"
just check out your footnote.. your advertising pharma products while pretending people need those products to be anti-pharma. you are a complete contradiction.

if you cared about peoples actual health you would not be sounding like a salesman trying to just sell more supplements/pillmill products. instead you would actually be looking and researching into what people actually need. using fair dosages and suggestions.

you are over selling your supplements and underselling the benefits/risks
you completely lie about stuff just to advertise supplements.

so yea. my point is clear. you dont give a crap about peoples health even though for 10months now you have been trying to pretend your words benefit peoples health

but to emphasis:
400-700ul of vitamin D .. not your recommended 40,000ul-70.000ul
.. well u can take 40,000 but your paying 100x more. and you will love peeing out kidney stones

^^^ For me? Thanks, franky1. One question. Does any of what you said there have any meaning? Please explain?

vitamin overdosing does have negatives. hyper calcemia. kidney damage and much more.
especially in the amounts and frequency badecker pretends he takes.
its like painkillers. small amounts ok. but megadosing on them is literally suicide.

take it IF YOU NEED IT. not because some one says you want lots of it.

as for badecker trying to recommend 40-70k dosage.. im guessing the tablets are saying X but the actually dosage inside the tablet is 100x less (as is with most scammy homeopathy supplements) meaning actually its only 400ul-700ul. and the rest is filler
400ul-700ul sounds like the normal dosage range people should have.. or save the money and just go for a 30minute walk

^^^ Absolutely, vaccines have proven to do some kind of work. But the work is detrimental, and often downright criminal, with the deaths that are happening because of vaccines.

You can do Internets searches, along with reading your standard newspapers, and watching your standard news media television to see this.

If you want to see what many extremely knowledgeable doctors are saying about vaccines, watch and listen to Del Bigtree interviewing them - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/.

Yes, definitely. It makes sense. There is some evidence that vitamin D helps, and there is no danger from taking too much vitamin D, so definitely use it. Ans obviously vaccines have been proven to work, so take that when you get the chance, to protect yourself and others.

Take at least two dose see if you can get more better save than sorry, do some good for mankind.

We need something for Vitamin D and at the same time we should take the vaccine. Covid is terrible, not matter whether the government did overstatement. To protect our lives, take the pills and take vaccine, I think.

All you are suggesting is that the CDC is lying. You seem to forget that there are all kinds of triggers (to use franky1's word) that could have been the straw that broke the comorbidity camel's back... not only Covid. So, you take your pick of charts that make you feel comfortable, somehow, with the CDC lies that you know are lies, even though you might not know in which direction they are lying.

The question is, are you going to keep on with this charade? Or are you going to, at least, admit that the possibility exists that Covid might be close to 100% a lie, and that the pandemic IS possibly a 100% lie, even if you don't believe it is a lie?

Consider, the contradictions that exist are enormous. This suggests either total incompetence regarding the medical leaders, or a big fat conspiracy.

Hmm. When I look, I see something different:



The issue isn't that there was a sudden surge in 'comorbidities' in 2020 that weirdly happened to coincide exactly with the Covid pandemic, even down to the March/April surge.
The issue is that there was a pandemic, and people died from Covid. And as you'd expect, many of those were people who already had underlying health issues.

Why would the CDC suddenly state that 94% of Covid deaths were not Covid deaths, but were something else? They called the something else comorbidities. Do they even know what they are talking about, since they changed their mind on 94% of what formerly were Covid deaths? There were even a few car accidents originally included as Covid deaths, simply because one or more of the people involved in the accident had Covid present inside himself.

You can't seem to get the picture. The word that the CDC uses for the deaths of the 94% is comorbidities, not Covid.


Anybody can draw pretty charts. If you look for it, you can find statistics that say that US total deaths in 2017-2018 might have surpassed 2020 total deaths.



I agree with you in your statement, above. There are all kinds of nutritionals that confer health benefits. Some of them are called food. None of them by themselves have anything to do with "government cover-up/conspiracy."

Here is what has or might have to do with "government cover-up/conspiracy." The CDC and other health departments and agencies contracted with government, are there to provide health for the people. When was the CDC started? They have had decades to find out that simple, little, old vitamin D reduces death by 82%. All they have to do is test a little. Or did they do the tests before they started putting V-D3 into whole milk throughout the USA decades ago?

Either they tested and know it and it's a conspiracy, or ignored testing when it would have been far easier to test than working on making vaccines that barely worked all those years, and mostly cause side effects. If this isn't a "government cover-up/conspiracy," it's a medical or medical leaders cover-up/conspiracy. If it isn't, we have the stupidest people in the world as medical leaders

I mean. If it isn't a government/medical cover-up/conspiracy of some sort, but rather if it is some kind of accidental we-simply-missed-it, what are these nitwits who can't even do a little, simple vitamin D testing even doing in a position where they affect millions of people medically with what they do and say?

Either there is a medical/government conspiracy, or the whole medical thing is full of idiot leaders. In general, medical people in standard medical practice, barely have one, simple, little course on nutrition in all their medical training. Yet nutrition is what we are made of physically. Are you part of the conspiracy? Or are you simply blind in the head.

what badecker keeps trying to insinuate is that the 90%+ people died of the final symptom of...
. he is ignoring what the trigger of the initial requirement of hospitalisation was.. the true cause

you will not find car accidents or domestic injury in those stats.
those stats are the stats related to different symptoms within the categories of known covid symptoms that are fatal.
where by the initial trigger of the cause of those fatal symptoms are covid related

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as for viatmin D
badecker and tash are acting like full on pillmill profiteers.
its like everyone knows if you have a toothache and you just want to use painkillers. the normal recommendation is 2 tablets every 4 hours IF you have pain. yet badecker and tash are saying yea 32 tablets might be fatal but lets take 6 tablets every 4 hours for multiple weeks even before pain starts just to avoid pain.
this is not good health advice. nor is it good advice of treatment. its simply trying to get other idiots to buy things they dont need and use them up quickly to buy more.
heck they are not even giving any good advice about when people should take them. again they just want to promote people should just buy buy buy for the sake of it

they sound more like the pill mill pharma profiteers than the actual pillmill pharma profiteers they pretend to hate. they really have no clue.

vitamins are good. IF YOU NEED THEM. but not good if you dont. not only is it a waste of money but also can cause toxicity issues if you megadose on them. and i can guarantee you even with badeckers basement lifestyle he doesnt need and isnt taking 40k-50 dose of vit-D daily.
because that number is too ludicrous and an obvious random number he picked or found on some dodgy cultish herbal pillmill sales conspiracy site

You're welcome.

Then what were they? You can dispute the reason, but something has been causing the death rate to surge well above usual levels. There's not been a cold/pneumonia/traffic pandemic...


https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Once again, I'm not disputing that vit D confers health benefits and can help against Covid. But this doesn't mean government cover-up/conspiracy.

First, I want to thank you, because it was 94%, not 96%. My mistake on that number.

Second, when reports come in that the CDC said that 94% of Covid deaths were really not Covid deaths, what the reports mean is that 94% of the so-called or reported Covid deaths were not really Covid deaths. Obviously when Covid kills someone, it's a Covid death. But, when something else kills someone, it isn't Covid that kills him. If it was, the CDC wouldn't have said what they said.

But you are wrong according to the CDC and others regarding underlying causes. The Covid straw that broke the camel's back wasn't the cause of death. It might even have been a cold straw, the flu straw, pneumonia straw, or any number of other straws - including hospital personnel mistakes - that were the straws that allowed the comorbidity to do its final work.


I'll redo the numbers more clearly at the bottom.



Here are the numbers that will make you rethink what you said. I will base these numbers on 400,000 deaths - US approx. - and on 94% false Covid deaths, which means 6% Covid deaths, and on the 82% Spanish stats that say this was how much of a reduction in Covid there was in that area of Spain. Note that USA people are a little different than Spain Spaniards, so the results are only hypothetical even if they are close.


400,000 reported Covid deaths
94% of them reported incorrectly
6% reported correctly

... therefore ...

376,000 deaths from causes other than Covid (even though they were reported as Covid)
only 24,000 from covid

... however, if you included the 82% fewer deaths with vitamin D, our original number of 400,000 deaths would have dropped to 72,000

... this means that with the use of vitamin D, only ...

67,680 deaths from causes other than Covid (even though they were reported as Covid)
and 4,320 from covid


Okay. Looks like we got 4,320 Covid deaths. But we didn't. Why not? Because the CDC combined Covid, flu and pneumonia back around July. This means that we need to go to other years to find out how many flu and pneumonia deaths there were, and sort-of average them, apply the 82% to the average, and knock that many deaths off the 4,320 Covid deaths to find out how many Covid deaths there really would have been with vitamin D.

I'd be surprised if there would have been much over a thousand Covid deaths. However, there are several other important factors in our hypothetical thinking here:
1. Even without the 82% saved by vitamin D, there would still be only 72,000 deaths from Covid... way fewer than pandemic proportions. The CDC said so with their 94% attributed to comorbidities. Note that, simply because there was Covid/flu/pneumonia/all-kinds-of-other-stuff around in small amounts, NOBODY KNOWS IF COVID WAS THE STRAW THAT PUSHED THE COMORBIDITY OVER THE CLIFF. But it was definitely the comorbidities that caused the deaths.
2. The 72,000 Covid deaths can't be known for sure, because the CDC combined flu and pneumonia under the same reporting guidelines. If we simply split the 3 of them evenly, then there were only 24,000 Covid deaths out of that original 400,000 report. Or, average the last few years for flu ad pneumonia, and subtract that number from the 72,000 to get closer.
3. The CDC still wants people to wear masks, when the Covid threat is way smaller that all kinds of other thing. Sounds like there is something else in the works that Covid.
4. A very important point is that all kinds of comorbidities could be cleared up with the use of vitamin D. You do the math.
5. Did anybody say that the CDC recommended vitamin D? People are scared that 10,000 units of D might harm them. I take 40,000 to 50,000 units a day. So, there is definitely a conspiracy going on. Those jokers in the CDC aren't ignorant enough to have missed all this.

Eh. think it'll be okay with just the 1 dose, but will stay inside quite cold this time of the year, and once again your comments/opinions are greatly appreciated and taken under heavy advisement tash 

The only donations he makes is to his foundation to avoid tax or bribes.
Someone who publicly stated several times there is to many people and something needs to be done is certainly not humans best friend.
You are more than welcome to line up and get his vaccine, take double dose to be on save side.
Stay indoor also to help him you would't want to have the correct Vitamin D level.

Hey that's Mr. kill gates to you, and I'm pretty sure owning 20k acres of land technically makes you also a tree investor ?  Alright maybe not, but still he's very well known for his philanthropic efforts, a tree donation is in there somewhere among the billions he's donated, less known for any wrong doing, and please don't dig for dirt on bill. There has to be some good people on this earth and lets pray he's one of them. good day.

https://omaha.com/news/state-and-regional/bill-gates-20-000-acres-in-nebraska-help-make-him-the-top-farmland-owner-in/article_dbf7def8-5b6b-11eb-82c3-d7d1f09cf1f8.html#:~:text=alert%20top%20story-,Bill%20Gates'%2020%2C000%20acres%20in%20Nebraska%20help%20make%20him%20the,farmland%20owner%20in%20the%20U.S.&text=This%20cropland%20west%20of%20Malmo,farmland%20owned%20by%20Bill%20Gates.&text=Bill%20Gates%20owns%20this%20land,Nebraska%20is%20in%20Holt%20County.

And Kill Gates the College dropout, Not Engineer, Not Doctor, Not an Epidemiologist, Not a Virologist, Not Elected, Owner of Virus Patents those selling vaccines for high profit and frequent visitor to Epstein Island wants to block-out the sun.
Already hard to get enough sun in winter time one of the factors to get sick in late winter time.
Plant a tree or whole forest to do a lot of good but that is not a twenty times profit in his lifetime..

I'm not disputing that consumption of vitamin D in sufficient quantities confers health benefits.
The part I take issue with is: vitamin D has health benefits, therefore Covid is a scam/conspiracy/government cover-up. This is a non sequitur.

Covid deaths are caused by Covid but many deaths are labelled as Covid even though they weren't the main cause. So, Covid figures are being at least inflated. This is without taking into account the fact that the flu has disappeared this year. And we have to swallow the story that the flu has disappeared because people wash their hands and use masks but Covid keeps spreading because people are irresponsible and do not wash their hands and use masks sufficiently.

Besides, when you die from a heart attack, the main cause is the heart attack, but the fact that you smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day and weighed 170 kilos would also have something to do with it, wouldn't it? If you had quit smoking and lost 100 kilos, you would not have died of a heart attack, even if the cause of your death is a heart attack.


I won't go as far as to say that 75% of those cancer deaths could be avoided but here are some scientiphic links:

Vitamin D as a promising anticancer agent
Circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D and lung cancer risk and survival
Circulating vitamin D level and mortality in prostate cancer patients: a dose-response meta-analysis
Vitamin D and Clinical Cancer Outcomes: A Review of Meta‐Analyses
Blood levels of vitamin D and early stage breast cancer prognosis: a systematic review and meta-analysis

I could put links to hundres of such studies but you can find a comprehensive list here:

https://vitamindwiki.com/Cancer


I didn't know about the NHS recommending vitamin D but I've been on the website and it goes along the general international lines: it recommends doses of 400 IU, which is pretty much useless. So they recommend a dose that does nothing and then they say it doesn't work. Give people 50 times the daily dose and come back and tell me if they get colds, flu or Covid.

No, Covid deaths are caused by Covid. Underlying health conditions make you weaker and more likely to die of Covid should you contract it, but comorbidities are comorbidities, not the cause. Low vitamin D levels can make you more susceptible, but doesn't change the cause.


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But you go on to quote a British MP recommending vitamin D supplements, and backing up his advice with data. Hardly a government conspiracy/cover-up.
The UK health service actively recommends vit D supplements, and indeed runs a service to offer it free to Covid-vulnerable groups: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/get-vitamin-d-supplements/