VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position - page 29.

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 05:06:29 AM

As I have said you are abusing your trust over here for something that happens over there.

Nope. It happened over here.

You and I made an agreement on this forum that I would remove your legitimate negative trust if you did not ask for another loan on BTCJam before June 15.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 29, 2015, 05:07:28 AM

All these can be faked very easily. Even if it is real, it will be hard to retrieve money especially if both lender and borrower is living far away from each other.

Its easy to fake my Payslips, and my credit rating?
Its easy to fake my face and my drivers licence with me holding my licence?

Really?! Ok go ahead make a totally fake account with an A rating.. Go on then.

REGARDLESS you are both missing the point...
Vod is abusing the trust system for things that happen on foreign sites...

What happens there has nothing to do with what happens here.
Lastly would I be so pissed off if I intended to up sticks and run?
Would I be here fighting because of injustice?

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:59:44 AM

Let me explain something to you about BTCjam and how I got to my A rating.
You have to go through quite a bit of verification...
like:
Identity Verification - Includes my drivers licence and my face holding my licence.
Address Verification - Includes my current address from within the last 3 months.
Phone Verification - Pretty obvious this one
Income Verification - Nice one this, they know my Salary, my last 3 payslips... Also they have my Credit rating score...
I have also linked:
linkedin
facebook
google
twitter
& paypal
Online Wallets - I have linked my Coinbase wallet to BTCjam
Bank Verification - Another interesting one, I have actually linked my credit card to BTCjam...

With all the above verification this is collateral enough for people to make up their own minds.

Can you give me a link to a site or a place where we can sell that collateral legally or to a non-criminal organization?

Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:59:44 AM

If I wanted to drop and run, how would I when they have my ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, BANK DETAILS, MY EMPLOYMENT

Tell me Vod, do you really think I could would want to take 7.5btc (now 2btc) and run? & not think people would know who I was and what my deal was?
If the above isnt collateral enough not much would be for you unfortunately.
And yes I am taking this personally, as what I do on BTCjam has NOTHING to do with you.

All these can be faked very easily. Even if it is real, it will be hard to retrieve money especially if both lender and borrower is living far away from each other.

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LOL

Quote from: Vod on May 29, 2015, 05:04:13 AM

Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:59:44 AM

If I wanted to drop and run, how would I when they have my ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, BANK DETAILS, MY EMPLOYMENT

You would simply drop and run. BTCJam breaks your loan up into many small pieces. No one bothers to sue for their small piece. Your personal information is worthless.

How can you make this assumption for everyone that has invested?
Someone may want to, and its within their rights to do this.

Like I said it does not need you policing it.

As I have said you are abusing your trust over here for something that happens over there.

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:59:44 AM

If I wanted to drop and run, how would I when they have my ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, BANK DETAILS, MY EMPLOYMENT

You would simply drop and run. BTCJam breaks your loan up into many small pieces. No one bothers to sue for their small piece. Your personal information is worthless.

Quote from: SavellM on May 14, 2015, 06:43:50 AM

Ok Vod if you say so.
Almost like you know me so well, and know exactly what I have invested and traded with.

But its ok, lets agree to disagree and end this here.
You have got your wishes, I have removed my listing and I will not post anything until the 15th June.

I left you initial negative trust because you asked for a 7.5 btc loan without collateral - I do that to everyone.

I removed the trust based on a lie you told me. I got scammed. Undecided

SavellM

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Let me explain something to you about BTCjam and how I got to my A rating.
You have to go through quite a bit of verification...
like:
Identity Verification - Includes my drivers licence and my face holding my licence.
Address Verification - Includes my current address from within the last 3 months.
Phone Verification - Pretty obvious this one
Income Verification - Nice one this, they know my Salary, my last 3 payslips... Also they have my Credit rating score...
I have also linked:
linkedin
facebook
google
twitter
& paypal
Online Wallets - I have linked my Coinbase wallet to BTCjam
Bank Verification - Another interesting one, I have actually linked my credit card to BTCjam...

With all the above verification this is collateral enough for people to make up their own minds.
If I wanted to drop and run, how would I when they have my ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, BANK DETAILS, MY EMPLOYMENT

Tell me Vod, do you really think I could would want to take 7.5btc (now 2btc) and run? & not think people would know who I was and what my deal was?
If the above isnt collateral enough not much would be for you unfortunately.
And yes I am taking this personally, as what I do on BTCjam has NOTHING to do with you.

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:44:40 AM

And I tried to help you out, and offered things for you but you did not want to accept.
You are going off subject now too...

And I did not ask for 7.5btc again and I did not ask for a loan here...

Keep trying to run this town, you are doing a bloody fabulous job of it... Making so many people hate you and littering this forum with your own biased view.
Because YOU think people need to EARN something from you. Good job bro, keep it up

You offered things to me that could not be easily resold to cover the value of the loan when you defaulted. Only people that scam need to EARN their trust back.

It was nothing against you personally - I apply the same standards to everyone that asks for a loan without collateral. Please read the link I just posted.

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And I tried to help you out, and offered things for you but you did not want to accept.
You are going off subject now too...

And I did not ask for 7.5btc again and I did not ask for a loan here...

Keep trying to run this town, you are doing a bloody fabulous job of it... Making so many people hate you and littering this forum with your own biased view.
Because YOU think people need to EARN something from you. Good job bro, keep it up

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:38:10 AM

Quote from: Vod on May 29, 2015, 04:32:02 AM

Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:30:43 AM

Yes and I promptly removed that listing because of you and your over righteous nature.
This is not a 7.5btc listing now is it?
BTCjam has their own collateral... But this is about you abusing the trust system which you are, as this has nothing to do with Bitcointalk!

Yes, I understand the loophole you think you found. The fact is, you didn't stick to your word, and I shouldn't have given you a second chance until you earned it, like everyone else.

I dont need to earn anything from you!
Why are you a God that everyone needs to come for approval?

This is your problem, you have been given an ounce of responsibility and now you think you run the place and can control the whole world.

Then don't ask for a 7.5 btc (~$1500) loan without collateral. Undecided

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/edu-the-rule-of-no-collateral-no-loan-ignore-at-your-own-risk-577765

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Quote from: Vod on May 29, 2015, 04:32:02 AM

Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:30:43 AM

Yes and I promptly removed that listing because of you and your over righteous nature.
This is not a 7.5btc listing now is it?
BTCjam has their own collateral... But this is about you abusing the trust system which you are, as this has nothing to do with Bitcointalk!

Yes, I understand the loophole you think you found. The fact is, you didn't stick to your word, and I shouldn't have given you a second chance until you earned it, like everyone else.

I dont need to earn anything from you!
Why are you a God that everyone needs to come for approval?

This is your problem, you have been given an ounce of responsibility and now you think you run the place and can control the whole world.

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VOD is a dickhead!

oh no now he will give me -rep Grin

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:30:43 AM

Yes and I promptly removed that listing because of you and your over righteous nature.
This is not a 7.5btc listing now is it?
BTCjam has their own collateral... But this is about you abusing the trust system which you are, as this has nothing to do with Bitcointalk!

Yes, I understand the loophole you think you found. The fact is, you didn't stick to your word, and I shouldn't have given you a second chance until you earned it, like everyone else.

SavellM

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Yes and I promptly removed that listing because of you and your over righteous nature.
This is not a 7.5btc listing now is it?
BTCjam has their own collateral... But this is about you abusing the trust system which you are, as this has nothing to do with Bitcointalk!

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 04:23:48 AM

YOUR policies do not include managing other sites?!
Lastly... I did not ask here for a loan of 2btc at all, but this is what you are penalizing me on!

If you want to be a police man go join the police, but do not monitors and abuse the trust system here for things that happen on other sites!

You asked for a 7.5btc loan without collateral on this forum and I left you negative trust as a result. That trust would still be in effect had I not foolishly removed it prematurely.

SavellM

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YOUR policies do not include managing other sites?!
Lastly... I did not ask here for a loan of 2btc at all, but this is what you are penalizing me on!

If you want to be a police man go join the police, but do not monitors and abuse the trust system here for things that happen on other sites!

BTCjam take their own precautions without your help...

Vod

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Quote from: SavellM on May 29, 2015, 03:11:51 AM

I 100% agree Vod should be removed.
Look at his reign of terror over me.
I will also post some of his PM's in a bit too.

He should be removed!

For the record...

You asked for a loan of 7.5btc without collateral, and I left you appropriate negative trust.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/delete-this-post-is-useless-now-if-you-want-enjoy-a-good-read-1060385

My policy is to remove the negative trust after 30 days if you do not ask for additional loans and contribute to the community. You begged me to give you another chance, to remove the trust immediately, and I gave you a chance.

Here you are, less than 2 weeks later, pulling the scam again.

I should have stuck with my policies and waited the 30 days before I removed your trust. I got scammed by giving you a second chance. Undecided

SavellM

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I 100% agree Vod should be removed.
Look at his reign of terror over me.
I will also post some of his PM's in a bit too.

He should be removed!

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Quote from: Vod on May 26, 2015, 10:40:20 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on May 26, 2015, 10:12:44 PM

that is pretty weird. you have many positive trust and only one neg from Vod...why is your overall trust turned to crap?

That is weird. One negative trust alone shouldn't turn a person's trust like that - esp when he has so many positives.

Since this thread is in Meta, maybe Theymos will see this and address it.

If the most recent rating is a negative (I think while ignoring neutrals), then that person's trust rating will either be negative or will be a triple question mark. theymos already has addressed this situation specifically

Quote from: theymos on May 20, 2015, 02:21:38 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 02:08:44 PM

It looks like no matter what if the last feedback you receive is negative then you will either have a ?? ? Trust score or a negative score.

Correct. Your trust network is assumed to consist of people who are basically reasonable. So if any trusted ratings are negative (which means "this person is probably a scammer, watch out!"), then this should be taken very seriously. That's why a single negative rating can easily cause a loss of 100+ trust points in this new algorithm. And if the most recent rating is negative, then this is a strong indicator that the person may have been running a long con which has turned into a full-blown scam.

If anyone is abusing this by reposting negative trust unnecessarily or giving out negative trust too easily, then you should remove them from your trust network.

Vod

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on May 26, 2015, 10:12:44 PM

that is pretty weird. you have many positive trust and only one neg from Vod...why is your overall trust turned to crap?

That is weird. One negative trust alone shouldn't turn a person's trust like that - esp when he has so many positives.

~~Since this thread is in Meta, maybe Theymos will see this and address it.~~ Thx to QS for the explanation below.

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 21, 2015, 02:48:56 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 20, 2015, 11:07:24 AM

The more you two attack one another the more time you waste which would be better spent on fixing real problems.

He offered and you offered to resolve it. Why do both of you persist in keeping it going?

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 19, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

If we could do away with the brinkmanship and name calling I am sure you two have an agreement already.

He stops pestering you. You remove the feedback and all is good.

Outstretched hands, shake and move on.

He hasn't offered anything but words. Now thanks to Theymo's new trust modifications, my trust of over 3 years is effectively null because of Vod's negative rating. He has the ability to remedy this situation, but refuses. His words are meaningless when he takes no action.

that is pretty weird. you have many positive trust and only one neg from Vod...why is your overall trust turned to crap?

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