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Topic: [VXC] V.Cash (Was: [VNL] Vanillacoin), a quiet word of warning. - page 2. (Read 14244 times)

hero member
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So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

Still around still being supported by the same people. This thread did not do anything to em.

Don't worry, the truth is out already:

I already explained upthread that ZeroTime (even when it is not Sybil attacked) can't scale and even your own shrill admitted it isn't trustworthy.

And I already explained that ChainBlender is another Dash-like nonsense anonymity design.

The 'John' is not at our level. Period.

Now you know why the community is ignoring you. And I will now ignore you as well. Enjoy your circle-jerk.

Wow, arent you a pathetic troll..

I remember in the summer the community gave you the chance to perform a double spend based on your accusations then that ZT was flawed. There was a bounty. You never accepted the offer, saying you were working on a multi million project (lol) and it wasnt worth your time..

6-7 months later, no one has been able to perform a double spend yet, and you clearly showed with your post history here on bct, that you havent been working on a project (LIAR! lol)..

if you had accepted the offer at the time, perhaps you would have earned something (the bounty was a good amount for someone living in the phillipines) and it would make you more credible..  ( not to speak about the fact that even your gf is forcing you to get in action, because your almost broke Smiley )

entertaining to see how you make a fool of yourself, time after time Smiley and yet dont see it yourself

sr. member
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So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

Still around still being supported by the same people. This thread did not do anything to em.

Don't worry, the truth is out already:

I already explained upthread that ZeroTime (even when it is not Sybil attacked) can't scale and even your own shill admitted it isn't trustworthy.

And I already explained that ChainBlender is another Dash-like nonsense anonymity design.

The 'John' is not at our level. Period.

Now you know why the community is ignoring you. And I will now ignore you as well. Enjoy your circle-jerk.
hero member
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So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

Still around still being supported by the same people. This thread did not do anything to em.
legendary
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So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.
legendary
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FWIW, I politely reported the copyright violation (the code being a copy of Bitcoin Core run through an auto-formatter with all the attribution removed) as an issue on the github for the project and john-connor accused me of stalking him and then hid the issue tracker on that github from public view. :-/

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as it's consistent with the rest of the concerns that resulted in creating this thread-- that there is some ongoing effort to keep that work out of the sunlight.

So someone (you?) copy-righted some code, which was some kind od adjustment of the original bitcoin code?
Sorry for the dumb question but I have never heard about this.
Thanks Smiley
legendary
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So who is going to file the first lawsuit against John Connor, Satoshi? lol.

This is why I think this is all silly BS, it's anon people accusing other anon people of ripping each other off, in the end it all means nothing. All I care about is if the stuff works and serves a useful purpose, as far as I'm concerned anyone who is not willing to put their legal name to something and file the proper paperwork has no legal right over anything.

I pretty much agree with that. And John-Connor did say he would dox himself when the project can stand on its own and he is ready.  I have a feeling he will be someone very interesting and important, and hopefully that will clear all this up.
legendary
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So who is going to file the first lawsuit against John Connor, Satoshi? lol.

This is why I think this is all silly BS, it's anon people accusing other anon people of ripping each other off, in the end it all means nothing. All I care about is if the stuff works and serves a useful purpose, as far as I'm concerned anyone who is not willing to put their legal name to something and file the proper paperwork has no legal right over anything.
legendary
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why does smooth care so much about VNL and John-Conner

I don't for the most part. I was ignoring it for a month or so until someone created a new thread called something like "Smooth vs VNL"

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Smooth actually cares about VNL because he wants its code for himself

As far as I can tell it is open source, so if I wanted the code I could certainly use it? https://github.com/john-connor/vanillacoin/blob/master/LICENSE

Although, anyone responsible and concerned about legal issues would likely stay the hell away given the credible questions raised about its authorship (and not by me, I just reported it--don't blame the messenger).
sr. member
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they "inherited" the codebase as if they are anointed its successor or something.

That is exactly the case in a sense. As with any fork the community has a choice which to support. In doing so the community annoints the successor. Would be the same with Bitcoin/Bitcoin-XT, etc., etc.




ok tin hat time....

why does smooth care so much about VNL and John-Conner

time will tell if this is true or not...
Smooth, or maybe someone who is paying him is looking greedily at the VNL code, and wants to do to VNL what Monero did to Bytecoin.

hey guys "smooth whispers to his army of cronies, lets just keep yelling scam at John-Conner, all the while we can get a our own coin built by copying his code, when we are ready lets tell everyone we did it, we arent scammers, we are honest great devs.

afterwards they will pump up their own coin and rob a bunch of people while moving on to the next project that they can scam...

Smooth actually cares about VNL because he wants its code for himself.

as I said tin hat time,
but I will ROFL if this happens because we all know John-Conner has the right stuff to keep VNL pumping out updates, and outdoing the competition.

legendary
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legendary
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gjhiggins and by extension icebreaker were implying (outright saying) that john stole the code from Bitcoin, which I showed was from 2005 or earlier.

No, what you showed was that a different version of the code, from which Bitcoin was aparently adapted with the required attribution was from 2005 or earlier. The version in Vanillacoin is clearly very structurally similar to the Bitcoin version (as gjhiggins and others have observed) and was copied from it (with variable renames and other obfuscation) without attribution, along with other portions of Bitcoins code which do not appear to come from OpenSSL.

Furthermore this all shows that Vanillacoin was not entirely written from scratch (unless you claim that Vanillacoin was written before 2005 -- good luck with that) and john fraudulently misrepresented it when he solicited investors on that basis (and continues to do so now).

You don't know when and what code John contributed to various projects.


You're seriously claiming gjhiggins knew that int EC_KEY_generate_key was part of openssl?

Here, let me take you line by line with the Bitcoin code and openssl from 2005:

int EC_KEY_regenerate_key(EC_KEY * eckey, BIGNUM * priv_key)
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L233
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L237

    int ok = 0;
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L235

    BN_CTX * ctx = 0;
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L236

    EC_POINT * pub_key = 0;
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L238

    const EC_GROUP * group = EC_KEY_get0_group(eckey);
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L376

    if ((ctx = BN_CTX_new()) == 0)
    {
        goto err;
    }
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L247

    pub_key = EC_POINT_new(group);

    if (pub_key == 0)
    {
        goto err;
    }
https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L268


You can admit gjhiggins did not know where that code came from and that icebreaker doesn't know what he's talking about now.  Thank you and good night.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Your scam = busted.   Cheesy

It's not "my scam", hell I sold off my meagerly 10k VNL holdings the other day because it wasn't going anywhere, but that is a pretty ballsy thing to say that they "inherited" the codebase as if they are anointed its successor or something.

This is all business, not a holy war.

You've never heard the common phrase "inherit a codebase" before?  You must be new here.   Tongue

Try googling the phrase, and you will quickly learn there is zero implied anointment.

Code is inherited in the sense that little brother gets older brother's ratty old coat, not like when The Prince is given the keys to The King's prosperous Kingdom.

You probably already knew that, but couldn't resist making an ass of yourself just to get in a tiny little cheap shot at Monero.  I wonder why you would strain so hard, for so little result?

In any case, good job dumping those VNL scam coins on a greater fool.   Grin
legendary
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gjhiggins and by extension icebreaker were implying (outright saying) that john stole the code from Bitcoin, which I showed was from 2005 or earlier.

No, what you showed was that a different version of the code, from which Bitcoin was aparently adapted with the required attribution was from 2005 or earlier. The version in Vanillacoin is clearly very structurally similar to the Bitcoin version (as gjhiggins and others have observed) and was copied from it (with variable renames and other obfuscation) without attribution, along with other portions of Bitcoins code which do not appear to come from OpenSSL.

Furthermore this all shows that Vanillacoin was not entirely written from scratch (unless you claim that Vanillacoin was written before 2005 -- good luck with that) and john fraudulently misrepresented it when he solicited investors on that basis (and continues to do so now).
legendary
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You're completely ignoring John's post...

All that post says is that it's okay to steal the code because bitcoin stole the code.  Undecided

John didn't steal the code.  You don't know what projects he was a part of.

gjhiggins and by extension icebreaker were implying (outright saying) that john stole the code from Bitcoin, which I showed was from 2005 or earlier.
sr. member
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Smooth, I agree.  I was just saying that the argument that they are using doesn't make sense.
legendary
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You're completely ignoring John's post...

All that post says is that it's okay to steal the code because bitcoin stole the code.  Undecided

Which it didn't. See 2 posts back.
sr. member
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You're completely ignoring John's post...

All that post says is that it's okay to steal the code because bitcoin stole the code.  Undecided
legendary
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@iCEBREAKER

That "code thief" single handedly coded more and with a higher quality than your beloved XMR developers, who couldn't put down anything on the table since the moment they forked bytecoin.

Must hurt to baghold something that will never get real world use or adoption with those "developers".

gjhiggins proves 'VNL stole code?'  Quick, attack C-CEX like anyone knows or cares WTF a C-CEX is/was!


You're completely ignoring John's post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12509082

Here is the openssl code in 2005 that gjhiggins claim was stolen from Bitcoin:

https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L233

His post did not address the issue and furthermore, while irrelevant, was incorrect about Bitcoin, as I explained here (emphasis added since it seems to have been missed by the reading-challenged VNL shills):

False. The OpenSSL attribution is retained in the Bitcoin distribution.

This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit.

Where is the attribution in vanilla coin along with your retraction of the false claim that vanillacoin was written entirely from scratch?

Whether the code was originally from Bitcoin or OpenSSL, you have now admitted that your marketing claim about vanillacoin was false.

In any case the code in VNL is structurally much more similar to the version in Bitcoin and was obviously copied from that one, not the OpenSSL variant (which is also a reasonable inference since there are other sections of Bitcoin code which are obviously copied/renamed and don't come from OpenSSL)


legendary
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@iCEBREAKER

That "code thief" single handedly coded more and with a higher quality than your beloved XMR developers, who couldn't put down anything on the table since the moment they forked bytecoin.

Must hurt to baghold something that will never get real world use or adoption with those "developers".

gjhiggins proves 'VNL stole code?'  Quick, attack C-CEX like anyone knows or cares WTF a C-CEX is/was!


You're completely ignoring John's post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12509082

Here is the openssl code in 2005 that gjhiggins claim was stolen from Bitcoin:

https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/8712009778af8430150401d5bee4e94d547f1f2d/crypto/ec/ec_key.c#L233
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