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legendary
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December 09, 2014, 09:38:31 PM
Im thinking about writing a long and over-developed post about how retarded America and its fcked up politics, de-railed moneysystem, healthcare, medicine, how-to-war... and so on. But I realize I'm at a Bitcoin-Forum and I assume that if you found your way here your mind should be quite enlightened already.....


Let me tell you; If everyone push a % of the salary at the government and the government DONT WASTE IT AT SHIT there wont be a problem to have a working healthcare, education, w/e you want........
And see, that is the proof of why here in the USA, a scheme like Obamacare will never work.

See bolded above.

We know what happens in Washington DC (District of Criminals).



I don't think the part you highlighted is an American problem so much as an everyone problem. Every group, individual, company, or other entity abuses the power they have to benefit one group over another. That, especially, is what governments do, and further, what people demand they do. Tyranny by the majority.
True to a degree.   Many nations in which socialized medicine work are more comparable to one of the States of the US, than the nation.  It's much easier for the people to keep government straight even in a large state like Texas, than to do so in DC.  DC is totally out of control, so whatever your project, even if it be a health care plan, no sane person would give them control of it.
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December 09, 2014, 09:26:12 PM
I do not believe writing 0bama or Obama or obama or OBama makes any kind of difference.

This is clearly not true. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't take the extra effort to intentionally misspell the name every time.

Obviously the thread is about if 0bamacare is better than the invention of slice bread or an abomination. Some people think it is great, others keep looking into the abyss of the number zero and expect an explanation to why Wilikon writes 0bamacare with a zero... No one cares, but everyone, including the ones who hate my posts, gets it... Smiley

I care. I was wondering why you did it, as I've never seen it done before but it was obviously intentional. While I had my theory about it, I didn't necessarily assume to know your motivation for doing it, which is why I asked. In any event, I have my answer now. I wasn't asking to ridicule you or debate the merits of it, just to understand.

Hm. I really did not believe you were trying to ridicule Wilikon as he is but a puppet purely created to have a 'good' time on the bitcointalk forum. My explanation was clear I thought. Yes I am not a fan of obama and to let anyone knows it I write 0bama. There is not much to it really.


As this is not my thread I would hate to be impolite and derail it more with a back and forth here. But you are welcome to move to any of my threads as I am not afraid to derail them myself Smiley No need for private messages as I do not care for them.

Now... Back to that evil 0bamacare shall we  Cool


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December 09, 2014, 09:12:27 PM
I do not believe writing 0bama or Obama or obama or OBama makes any kind of difference.

This is clearly not true. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't take the extra effort to intentionally misspell the name every time.

Obviously the thread is about if 0bamacare is better than the invention of slice bread or an abomination. Some people think it is great, others keep looking into the abyss of the number zero and expect an explanation to why Wilikon writes 0bamacare with a zero... No one cares, but everyone, including the ones who hate my posts, gets it... Smiley

I care. I was wondering why you did it, as I've never seen it done before but it was obviously intentional. While I had my theory about it, I didn't necessarily assume to know your motivation for doing it, which is why I asked. In any event, I have my answer now. I wasn't asking to ridicule you or debate the merits of it, just to understand.
legendary
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December 09, 2014, 09:06:37 PM
Im thinking about writing a long and over-developed post about how retarded America and its fcked up politics, de-railed moneysystem, healthcare, medicine, how-to-war... and so on. But I realize I'm at a Bitcoin-Forum and I assume that if you found your way here your mind should be quite enlightened already.....


Let me tell you; If everyone push a % of the salary at the government and the government DONT WASTE IT AT SHIT there wont be a problem to have a working healthcare, education, w/e you want........
And see, that is the proof of why here in the USA, a scheme like Obamacare will never work.

See bolded above.

We know what happens in Washington DC (District of Criminals).



I don't think the part you highlighted is an American problem so much as an everyone problem. Every group, individual, company, or other entity abuses the power they have to benefit one group over another. That, especially, is what governments do, and further, what people demand they do. Tyranny by the majority.
legendary
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December 09, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.

Yes. 0bama. Not 0Bama.

Only 40 instances? I need to work harder...  Smiley


Ah I see! You got me on a technicality. That is a well-scored point, but my question remains. Is it supposed to be a slight?


I do not believe it was a well-scored point and I do not believe writing 0bama or Obama or obama or OBama makes any kind of difference.

Instead of linking an image like this:


... I just write 0bama. It is not something I invented either. Pretty old. Just as something like this:


Obviously the thread is about if 0bamacare is better than the invention of slice bread or an abomination. Some people think it is great, others keep looking into the abyss of the number zero and expect an explanation to why Wilikon writes 0bamacare with a zero... No one cares, but everyone, including the ones who hate my posts, gets it... Smiley



legendary
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December 09, 2014, 08:46:23 PM
Im thinking about writing a long and over-developed post about how retarded America and its fcked up politics, de-railed moneysystem, healthcare, medicine, how-to-war... and so on. But I realize I'm at a Bitcoin-Forum and I assume that if you found your way here your mind should be quite enlightened already.....


Let me tell you; If everyone push a % of the salary at the government and the government DONT WASTE IT AT SHIT there wont be a problem to have a working healthcare, education, w/e you want........
And see, that is the proof of why here in the USA, a scheme like Obamacare will never work.

See bolded above.

We know what happens in Washington DC (District of Criminals).

legendary
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December 09, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.

Yes. 0bama. Not 0Bama.

Only 40 instances? I need to work harder...  Smiley


Ah I see! You got me on a technicality. That is a well-scored point, but my question remains. Is it supposed to be a slight?
legendary
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December 08, 2014, 08:22:57 AM
Hey I just signed up again for the year. I switched to another plan this year and found better coverage for about $15 more than what I had last year. The website still has some issues. A few links I clicked on were dead or linked back to the same page. But it basically worked.
I believe you, but anecdotal evidence is not statistics.

By contrast with your experience, my insurance rates have doubled, to over $22,000 per year for the family.  Never a signficant health issue, by the way.


I would say that your experience is more the norm then the exception. How the ACA aka obama care is structured will force insurers to raise insurance premiums for people who have a low amount of risk in order to subsidize others who have much higher amounts of risk
Yes, I believe you are correct.   That is why (financially) Obamacare will fail.  It may be supportable through simply printing dollars and paying medical care with those. However, it would definitely be a third rate health system.
hero member
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December 07, 2014, 11:40:42 PM
Hey I just signed up again for the year. I switched to another plan this year and found better coverage for about $15 more than what I had last year. The website still has some issues. A few links I clicked on were dead or linked back to the same page. But it basically worked.
I believe you, but anecdotal evidence is not statistics.

By contrast with your experience, my insurance rates have doubled, to over $22,000 per year for the family.  Never a signficant health issue, by the way.


I would say that your experience is more the norm then the exception. How the ACA aka obama care is structured will force insurers to raise insurance premiums for people who have a low amount of risk in order to subsidize others who have much higher amounts of risk
legendary
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December 05, 2014, 10:21:39 PM
Hey I just signed up again for the year. I switched to another plan this year and found better coverage for about $15 more than what I had last year. The website still has some issues. A few links I clicked on were dead or linked back to the same page. But it basically worked.
I believe you, but anecdotal evidence is not statistics.

By contrast with your experience, my insurance rates have doubled, to over $22,000 per year for the family.  Never a signficant health issue, by the way.

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December 05, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.

0bamacare is a disease for the majority of Americans. That is not nonsense. Even democrats agree with that statement. Obviously if are watching from abroad then 0bamacare will never have any impact on your life or loved ones.








Health costs are already too much in the USA, more administration costs and more tax payer money poured into health care will push costs even higher.
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December 05, 2014, 07:17:41 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.

0bamacare is a disease for the majority of Americans. That is not nonsense. Even democrats agree with that statement. Obviously if are watching from abroad then 0bamacare will never have any impact on your life or loved ones.






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December 05, 2014, 05:02:11 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.

If you read his posts with a Daffy Duck/Nerd lisp, it all makes sense. Sort of...
legendary
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December 05, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.

Yes. 0bama. Not 0Bama.

Only 40 instances? I need to work harder...  Smiley



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December 05, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
Hey I just signed up again for the year. I switched to another plan this year and found better coverage for about $15 more than what I had last year. The website still has some issues. A few links I clicked on were dead or linked back to the same page. But it basically worked.
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December 05, 2014, 01:56:06 PM
I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.

Now I'm thoroughly lost as to what you're talking about. There are roughly 40 instances of "0bama" appearing in this thread. All of them were written by you, or appear when people quote you, up until the point I asked you why you spell his name with a 0. Then you got crazy with nonsense.
legendary
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December 05, 2014, 01:02:20 PM
Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.

The loophole was confirmed by congressional aides and drew condemnation from those who said it put illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job market.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” said Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

A Department of Homeland Security official confirmed that the newly legalized immigrants won’t have access to Obamacare, which opens up the loophole for employers looking to avoid the penalty.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/


So when Republicans finally take control over both the House and Senate in January, we can expect a prompt repeal of Obamacare, right? Because they've spent so much time and energy talking about how terrible it is for America, citizens, the free-market, IRS power, etc., and have already voted so many times to repeal, that it should be a given that this is one of the first things they do, no?

Well, it's either they repeal it now that they have the ability or they are finally exposed as frauds and liars, as a party that's only voted for repeal so many times because they knew they had no chance of actually repealing it; that this has all just been a charade and political posturing to whip their supporters into a furor so they donate all that  money and go on internet forums and post stuff like this:


When Republicans fail to repeal Obamacare, will you become a partisan apologist, or will you hold them accountable for failing to act? Will you be as critical of them as you are of Obama, or are you just posting pictures like this because you hate Obama, not because of Obamacare?

I'm asking earnestly because if you're not going to hold Republicans accountable for not repealing what you consider to be a terrible law when they finally have the power to, then what is the utility of constantly railing against Obama because of Obamacare?



Let me ask you this then: Why democrats HATE 0bama personally? It must be the case. Why would anyone be against 0bamacare if not for a deep rooted personal hate against our first black president? Are you saying I am as bad as chuck schumer? Is chuck shumer a Tea Partier who's afraid of... 0bama?  Grin

Tensions flare between Senate Democrats, White House

Do democrats hate 0bama?
What does chuck schumer, third in power in the senate after harry reid say about 0bamacare?


Schadenfreude overload: Senate Democrats and Obama staffers at war over Obamacare


[picture redacted]


Have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy Grin




Hey, you didn't answer my question.   Cry



Hey, you didn't wish me a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy

If the republicans can't shake the 0bama illegal shakedown on the US citizen I'll make sure to talk about that too... Just as much as liberals were up in arms when their president went to war in Libya WITHOUT approval from Congress, or let a US ambassador die, or when 0bama did not close gitmo for the past 6 years, or when he targeted the US free press with his shadowy foot soldiers, or when he used (still does) the IRS as a weapon against the US citizen...

I am sure you remember all those historical moments, and each time you where sadden by those events...

I don't know if you're accusing me of being an Obama supporter. I'm very critical of Obama and his policies. He's as terrible a president to me as GW was (picking a "winner" is just too close to call). But I do believe in representing information more fairly than either republicans or democrats do, who only act to serve their own political power interests, which is why I call you out on certain representations you make. It's not in defense of Obama, but in an attempt to dispel republican talking points which aren't reflective of reality, but the fictions they peddle to empower themselves at the expense of the democrats.

Unrelated, why do you spell Obama as "0Bama"?

I never spelled Obama 0Bama... You did.

99.9% of people never see a zero, but a O. The same .1% who can see the zero are the same people who have a problem with the image of 0bama, a half black man, as a rodeo clown or a clown.

You are free to call me out all you want but my answer to you was very clear. I have never been to a US public school so maybe I would need to readjust the way I write for some people here.



[un-redacted image]




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December 05, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.

The loophole was confirmed by congressional aides and drew condemnation from those who said it put illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job market.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” said Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

A Department of Homeland Security official confirmed that the newly legalized immigrants won’t have access to Obamacare, which opens up the loophole for employers looking to avoid the penalty.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/


So when Republicans finally take control over both the House and Senate in January, we can expect a prompt repeal of Obamacare, right? Because they've spent so much time and energy talking about how terrible it is for America, citizens, the free-market, IRS power, etc., and have already voted so many times to repeal, that it should be a given that this is one of the first things they do, no?

Well, it's either they repeal it now that they have the ability or they are finally exposed as frauds and liars, as a party that's only voted for repeal so many times because they knew they had no chance of actually repealing it; that this has all just been a charade and political posturing to whip their supporters into a furor so they donate all that  money and go on internet forums and post stuff like this:


When Republicans fail to repeal Obamacare, will you become a partisan apologist, or will you hold them accountable for failing to act? Will you be as critical of them as you are of Obama, or are you just posting pictures like this because you hate Obama, not because of Obamacare?

I'm asking earnestly because if you're not going to hold Republicans accountable for not repealing what you consider to be a terrible law when they finally have the power to, then what is the utility of constantly railing against Obama because of Obamacare?



Let me ask you this then: Why democrats HATE 0bama personally? It must be the case. Why would anyone be against 0bamacare if not for a deep rooted personal hate against our first black president? Are you saying I am as bad as chuck schumer? Is chuck shumer a Tea Partier who's afraid of... 0bama?  Grin

Tensions flare between Senate Democrats, White House

Do democrats hate 0bama?
What does chuck schumer, third in power in the senate after harry reid say about 0bamacare?


Schadenfreude overload: Senate Democrats and Obama staffers at war over Obamacare


[picture redacted]


Have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy Grin




Hey, you didn't answer my question.   Cry



Hey, you didn't wish me a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy

If the republicans can't shake the 0bama illegal shakedown on the US citizen I'll make sure to talk about that too... Just as much as liberals were up in arms when their president went to war in Libya WITHOUT approval from Congress, or let a US ambassador die, or when 0bama did not close gitmo for the past 6 years, or when he targeted the US free press with his shadowy foot soldiers, or when he used (still does) the IRS as a weapon against the US citizen...

I am sure you remember all those historical moments, and each time you where sadden by those events...

I don't know if you're accusing me of being an Obama supporter. I'm very critical of Obama and his policies. He's as terrible a president to me as GW was (picking a "winner" is just too close to call). But I do believe in representing information more fairly than either republicans or democrats do, who only act to serve their own political power interests, which is why I call you out on certain representations you make. It's not in defense of Obama, but in an attempt to dispel republican talking points which aren't reflective of reality, but the fictions they peddle to empower themselves at the expense of the democrats.

Unrelated, why do you spell Obama as "0Bama"?
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December 03, 2014, 08:42:32 PM
Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.

The loophole was confirmed by congressional aides and drew condemnation from those who said it put illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job market.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” said Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

A Department of Homeland Security official confirmed that the newly legalized immigrants won’t have access to Obamacare, which opens up the loophole for employers looking to avoid the penalty.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/


So when Republicans finally take control over both the House and Senate in January, we can expect a prompt repeal of Obamacare, right? Because they've spent so much time and energy talking about how terrible it is for America, citizens, the free-market, IRS power, etc., and have already voted so many times to repeal, that it should be a given that this is one of the first things they do, no?

Well, it's either they repeal it now that they have the ability or they are finally exposed as frauds and liars, as a party that's only voted for repeal so many times because they knew they had no chance of actually repealing it; that this has all just been a charade and political posturing to whip their supporters into a furor so they donate all that  money and go on internet forums and post stuff like this:


When Republicans fail to repeal Obamacare, will you become a partisan apologist, or will you hold them accountable for failing to act? Will you be as critical of them as you are of Obama, or are you just posting pictures like this because you hate Obama, not because of Obamacare?

I'm asking earnestly because if you're not going to hold Republicans accountable for not repealing what you consider to be a terrible law when they finally have the power to, then what is the utility of constantly railing against Obama because of Obamacare?



Let me ask you this then: Why democrats HATE 0bama personally? It must be the case. Why would anyone be against 0bamacare if not for a deep rooted personal hate against our first black president? Are you saying I am as bad as chuck schumer? Is chuck shumer a Tea Partier who's afraid of... 0bama?  Grin

Tensions flare between Senate Democrats, White House

Do democrats hate 0bama?
What does chuck schumer, third in power in the senate after harry reid say about 0bamacare?


Schadenfreude overload: Senate Democrats and Obama staffers at war over Obamacare


[picture redacted]


Have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy Grin




Hey, you didn't answer my question.   Cry



Hey, you didn't wish me a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy

If the republicans can't shake the 0bama illegal shakedown on the US citizen I'll make sure to talk about that too... Just as much as liberals were up in arms when their president went to war in Libya WITHOUT approval from Congress, or let a US ambassador die, or when 0bama did not close gitmo for the past 6 years, or when he targeted the US free press with his shadowy foot soldiers, or when he used (still does) the IRS as a weapon against the US citizen...

I am sure you remember all those historical moments, and each time you where sadden by those events...





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December 03, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.

The loophole was confirmed by congressional aides and drew condemnation from those who said it put illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job market.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” said Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

A Department of Homeland Security official confirmed that the newly legalized immigrants won’t have access to Obamacare, which opens up the loophole for employers looking to avoid the penalty.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/


So when Republicans finally take control over both the House and Senate in January, we can expect a prompt repeal of Obamacare, right? Because they've spent so much time and energy talking about how terrible it is for America, citizens, the free-market, IRS power, etc., and have already voted so many times to repeal, that it should be a given that this is one of the first things they do, no?

Well, it's either they repeal it now that they have the ability or they are finally exposed as frauds and liars, as a party that's only voted for repeal so many times because they knew they had no chance of actually repealing it; that this has all just been a charade and political posturing to whip their supporters into a furor so they donate all that  money and go on internet forums and post stuff like this:


When Republicans fail to repeal Obamacare, will you become a partisan apologist, or will you hold them accountable for failing to act? Will you be as critical of them as you are of Obama, or are you just posting pictures like this because you hate Obama, not because of Obamacare?

I'm asking earnestly because if you're not going to hold Republicans accountable for not repealing what you consider to be a terrible law when they finally have the power to, then what is the utility of constantly railing against Obama because of Obamacare?



Let me ask you this then: Why democrats HATE 0bama personally? It must be the case. Why would anyone be against 0bamacare if not for a deep rooted personal hate against our first black president? Are you saying I am as bad as chuck schumer? Is chuck shumer a Tea Partier who's afraid of... 0bama?  Grin

Tensions flare between Senate Democrats, White House

Do democrats hate 0bama?
What does chuck schumer, third in power in the senate after harry reid say about 0bamacare?


Schadenfreude overload: Senate Democrats and Obama staffers at war over Obamacare


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Have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!  Cheesy Grin




Hey, you didn't answer my question.   Cry
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