Topic: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? - page 8. (Read 10197 times)

Who will be providing this free health care?

I'm kind of confused on all the fuss over Obamacare. It doesn't appear to affect me or most other people living in the US except the government now endorses a wide range of private firms and advertises them on it's healthcare.gov site.

Before, I had a wide range of insurance options, but health insurance for my family would cost >20% of my monthly income, so fuck it.

Today, I have a wide range of insurance options, but health insurance for my family would cost >20% of my monthly income, so fuck it. (I'm not subject to the individual mandate fees because insurance would cost far more than "allowed" in applying the fee)


The only difference now is that people with high incomes and/or no children are now subject to an annual fee (the IRS claims they'll enforce this by withholding income tax redunds, but most people subject to the mandate fees aren't going to be getting a refund, so...) if they don't buy a particular financial service the government mandates. I don't understand the fuss over this... is there some beloved insurance company not being included on the government's health insurance Craigslist, or....?

I mean, yeah, I guess I can understand being offended that the government claims it has a right to do "this," but "this" doesn't appear to be anything significant. I'm working 40h/wk @ ~40% over minimum wage per hour, and shitty health insurance is still completely out of reach because.... well, I don't even know... because it's worth preserving the life of one person with a terminal illness for two years vs. extending the life of 1,000 people by two years each?

Am I the only one who thinks the problem is that the US doesn´t have free health care?

Am I the only one who thinks the problem is that the US doesn´t have free health care? You work 40h+ a week, at least 5 more than any frenchman, and if you get sick you´re on your own. That is completely mental. What kind of people would allow this? What democracy would allow this?

I guess I shouldn´t complain, drug companies cover all of their R&D with sales to american customers because the rest of the world have the good sense to utilize collective bargaining to lower the cost of drugs (thats why drugs from Canada [or any other country] costs a fraction of the american stuff). So I´m good, but I still don´t understand how americans are OK with this.

Regardless of all the FUD about Obamacare, it is definitely a big step in the right direction. It is kind of weird for foreigners to watch the american debate, It seems like ordinary americans just likes being ****** up the ***, which ironically I thought was a french thing.

As you can see, Obamacare gives people incentives not to work (or in your case work less) and although it may seem like you are getting "free money" your standard of living is going to be lower over the long term and will likely miss out on opportunities that would significantly increase your income. 

*shrug* I'm excepted from withholding as well as the individual mandate and I definitely don't have the $200k+/yr Obamacare surtax. I have the joyous experience of filing as head of household with a dependent, refusing overtime because "fuck you, EITC pays me to sit on my ass." I get a 10% bonus to my "refund" by taking it as an Amazon GC and Michigan even refunds my property taxes.

*shrug* I'm excepted from withholding as well as the individual mandate and I definitely don't have the $200k+/yr Obamacare surtax. I have the joyous experience of filing as head of household with a dependent, refusing overtime because "fuck you, EITC pays me to sit on my ass." I get a 10% bonus to my "refund" by taking it as an Amazon GC and Michigan even refunds my property taxes.

You are being taxed just for being alive.

With the income tax you at least have a choice of not working. This is a tax on breathing.

Politician: "Something is bad"
Voter: "I don't like that!"
Politician: "I will fix it by taking money from you and spending it on whatever I want"
Voter: "Yay! I feel better now!"

I'm more offended by the tax than how they got it passed. You can't blame ignorance and lies when a tax is being passed and people support it.

I'm kind of confused on all the fuss over Obamacare.....

Obamacare has a fatal flaw.  It requires the group that needs the least amount of health insurance on average to pay the most money compared to any other group for it.  That group is young men, particularly young single men, and young men have no reason to purchase health insurance under the Obamacare system.  For most young (single) men, the only health insurance they need is catastrophic insurance, but such a health insurance plan is considered “substandard” under Obamacare.  Health insurance plans under Obamacare have to include things that young (single) men will never use like maternity coverage.  Even though there are fines for not buying health insurance under Obamacare, young (single) men have less reason to purchase health insurance under Obamacare than they did before Obamacare.

I'm more offended by the tax than how they got it passed. You can't blame ignorance and lies when a tax is being passed and people support it.

Correction:  This is a tax on breathing brought you by liars who believe you are too stupid to understand it is for your own good...

You are being taxed just for being alive.

With the income tax you at least have a choice of not working. This is a tax on breathing.