Topic: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? - page 6. (Read 10197 times)

Thank you, I hope it is helpful to people.

As for schools of thought, I tend to agree more with libertarians, I ran within the party for congress at one point. But I have evolved from there and understand now that it is mainly about power, no matter the structure. We live in an anarchist, darwinist, survival of the fittest world. It is the governments that have gathered the power to survive and thrive through the gathering of power from the people, using that power to continue to gather more power. Each promises different things or puts on different window dressing, but it is all the same. Even without governments we would have people coming together to combine their power and create structures to get even more power.
Fortunately Bitcoin gives people more control of the financial aspect of their lives. Hopefully that plays a major role in freeing many people from the power structures they are stuck in.

I would like to refer to [1].

Your experience is similar to that of most people who have given these things a bit of thought, and like most people your view of things fit some schools of thought better than others.

BTW: I saw your website and I really like it. It is very well laid out and the concept is awesome. Lets hope for some more bitcoin adoption waves so more people can enjoy it.

By only thinking of people in groups you take the lazy path forward. Which is ok, many people do not want to have to consider that each person might have their own thoughts or ideals. It is much easier to create categories and only think of those categories and work to put people into those categories.

I am an individual with my own thoughts and ideals. I have formed my thoughts not by choosing a collective and then finding out what their beliefs are. I have come to my conclusions on my own. I am myself. Nobody else. No matter how hard you try to make me the same as someone else.

I have tried to be civil (admittedly with mixed success), but if you can´t bear having your opinions shone a light on it is quite strange that you offer them so freely. Well, the best of luck to you.

Welcome to my ignore list Fatman3001. You are the first one to get this privilege. I hope you are proud of yourself...

ie. you don´t know or you don´t want people to know. Fair enough.

Dear Fatman, you are meeting one of my Teacher, could you please understand the chance you have to speak to such a Being. Thank you very much Elwar. I loved to read you here. It's so refreshing, it's so full of Faith in yourself, and as an extension in Mankind. Thank you very much.

Fatman you seems to be wanting to categorize anything in group, ideas, it's a waste of brain time. we are individuals born free by the Will of the Creator of the Universe, each of US unique but so close in shape and form. There isn't 2 human Being equal (or the same), with all our differences we can do great parties, hope to find the perfect imperfection in the other that complementarily will make both together perfect to fulfill our own potential that we all have in us. As soon as you force a Human Being you have to understand that you may be against the Path that God had chosen for this individual. You have to accept that none of my words are rigid or definite, it's just trying to cope with the creation of God, which is beyond the grasp of all of us combined. How many grains of dust in the Universe? How many drops of water in the Universe? Learning to love perfectly the perfect one for you is much more valuable on a finite life span. I did try to help you. Try to learn to breath and then maybe to pray.

Forcing someone to let money out for something which he doesn't want is THEFT. 101.

ex: I force you to buy my shit. so I get your BTC you get my shit. I make it law, it's legal. Do you want to do such things before your exit time? Some do... it's never an excuse. And don't worry making mistakes isn't bad, as long as you want to move toward the most beautiful ending that you could achieve, however and let me warn you, personally I think it's hard, and almost requires full time... And so when I have to waste my limited time on paying for someone else what ever, you understand that I can feel really depressed since it removes me from the time I could have shared in learning to love.

I don't think there is a point in me answering anymore, as you see it's way beyond politic or any physical matters.

Peace (and love, and flowers  )

I am an individual.

Just out of curiosity: Are you a right-wing anarchist or a socialist anarchist?

BTW: I am not from any part of the world where the word socialist is equated with fascism.

I am born free. I do not need a legal and institutional framework to give me that freedom.

When you realize that your rights do not come from the government but in spite of it, then you will have a glimpse into what true freedom is all about.

No, it has nothing to do with darwinism or social darwinism. It has to do with the legal and institutional framework required for your rights to exist in any intelligible way.

in other words, because the state has the power...they can decide if taking by force is theft or not.

This is true, otherwise known as survival of the fittest (darwinism).

Good for you, may the force be with you!

That is just childish. Despite what some of the right-wing anarchists(?!?!) may think, without the state there is no property rights, and without taxation there is no state. Unfortunately for you the state decides what is theft.

Social Darwinist? meaning the survival of the fittest in the realm of economics with a central bank? LoL ROFL... & much more... please... grow up. The problem is that you have to be able to predict all the future to be able to declare what is the fittest. I don't have this ability. Furthermore, you can come from apes, if you like, I don't. Taxes, did I agreed on them? Myself I always have the same message, support the troops, home front and abroad, it's tuff. Then if I have to pay for you, to have something from my pocket, that my children, because of you having it, will not have, I have to disagree. My children benefit from the performances of the Force. Thank you.

jaysabi, I must applaud you. Sublime post. You defeated him brilliantly. I am lovin it.

The difference here is you don't have to have a car. If you have a car, you don't have to drive it. If you have a car, and you drive it, you have to have insurance. That's not the same as health insurance, where you have to have it, period.


No argument here. I agree with you. But that's not the point of my concern. The question is it moral to force someone to buy something they don't want.


If everyone is better off, everyone would already have it. Clearly, the people who don't want to buy it think they're better off without it.


I actually directly disagree with you here. It is tyrannical to force someone to do something they don't want to do. The use of force by the government to enforce its will against the unwilling is tyranny. As for "is everyone morally obliged to get some coverage out of respect for their community," this may a question worth exploring.


Agreed, but then again, that's not very capitalist either. Or perhaps it's "capitalist" but not free-market. Either way, it's corrupted capitalism; crony capitalism.


On the whole, I can see this argument. Individual sacrifice for the common good is classical republicanism, but forced sacrifice isn't noble. Where do you draw the line between letting people decide what is best for the community and forcing the unwilling to comply? Just health care? What about income inequality? Surely it's bad for the society to have so many working poor, so maybe income redistribution is a necessary evil for the greater good. Prohibition is a classic example of a failed "for the common good" initiative. I would say the prohibition on drugs is proving the same.


I agree here. Republican opposition to Obamacare isn't about what's good for the country. It's about what's good for Republicans. And what's good for Republicans is for Democrats to fail, because in the next election, you'll still only have two choices: a Democrat or a Republican. So the majority of American politics is painting the other side as evil or stupid because then you're the only choice left. This is why both fight so hard to keep third parties off the ballot.

Why would you be ashamed of taking other peoples' money for your opinion of the best ways for them to spend it?

Actually, come to think of it.  When those other people can easily refute your arguments such as "this would encourage people to buy cleaner cars" and "it would make the US less vulnerable to changes in the price of oil", then you really should have second thoughts about your personal ability to opine the right to take their money.

Because they do seem better able to do that that you, don't they?

So...you are promoting theft.