I urge everyone to watch Roger Ver’s interview with Tucker Carlson discussing the hijacking of Bitcoin, censorship, and the United States government’s overreach. I also think if you care about Bitcoin or freedom, you should sign his petition at
https://www.freerogernow.org/ as Roger does not deserve life in prison.
Tucker Carlson - HIJACKED:
https://youtu.be/dbLHXOipQN4Fuck Bcash
It really is sad seeing this attitude in the community. I think people who were around in 2011 know that Roger was one of the greatest assets in Bitcoin's history. Without him, I don't think Bitcoin would have seen the success that it did early on. Sure, he made some mistakes. "Bcash" wasn't one of them though. Open source projects can be forked and after developers backstabbed the entire ecosystem by giving everyone the finger after segwit was activated instead of doing what they agreed to do in the New York Agreement, it was not only the right thing to do, it was necessary. We all likely profited from it as well and at worst we were given an additional option. I hope that whatever happens, history remembers Roger and Gavin (Andresen) as the pioneers they are. Without both of them, I may have never even pursued Bitcoin as a serious thing.
I think that you are correct that Roger does not deserve life in prison for the controversies regarding the tax situation, and it does seem like some kind of a selective prosecution, and likely including a lot of injustices even in bringing the charges, including Roger's mentioning of the raiding of his tax attorney's offices seems a bit much..
Roger had a lot of questionable tactics during the blocksize wars, and whether he was involved in bcash or various other projects that were seeming to just bash on bitcoin seemed to be lacking in any ability to appreciating that he is not always right about all things.
You cannot be serious when you proclaim that there was a violation from the bitcoin community in regards to not following through with the New York agreement. It seems to me that the bitcoin community wanted segwit but did not want 2x.. and so your attempt to proclaim that 2x needed to be imposed, included or folded into bitcoin seems out of touch with what consensus wanted and also in regards what it would have meant to have 2x imposed, technically in terms of who could mine bitcoin, and in terms of bitcoin governance in regards to how future changes to bitcoin might have had ended up being implemented.
Roger and Gavin have various shady aspects in their histories (bcash and other things for Roger, and Gavin surely seemed delusional in trying to push craig as Satoshi), and of course, both Roger and Gavin had been making various contributions to aspects of bitcoin (and crypto) too (and even talking points). I am not going to proclaim to be scholars about how they should be remembered, even though they had seem to engage in various under-handed tactics, and of course, Roger had more money to spend on his various attempts at undermining bitcoin.
developers backstabbed the entire ecosystem by giving everyone the finger after segwit was activated instead of doing what they agreed to do in the New York Agreement
segwit2x and that "agreement" would have killed everything
BTC stands for. I can appreciate early RV and what he did but the full on bcash sellout will always trump anything else. Am I making shit up now or didn't he even go as far as saying that he
knew craig was satoshi??
Roger had endorsed Craig as being Satoshi during the first year of bcash, yet you may remember that their falling out was more and more pronounced when Craig et al decided to go through with a hard forkening of bcash into bcash sv.
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Bitcoin was an open source project.
Bitcoin continues to be an open source project. Your use of the past tense creates an impression that you might not know what is bitcoin.
They fork when evil gets control of a project. It's a feature, not a bug.
Forking is a right. You are correct. How did forking work out for the forkers?
It sounds like you've sipped a little too much of the Blockstream kool-aid. The fact Bitcoin in it's current form was built on lies, censorship, and backstabbing should be an embarrassment to us all.
Do you still own Bcash? what about Bcash SV? Sure you have a right to own them, and you have a right to choose sides too.. You also have a right to hedge.
I wish Gavin would have never stepped away.
I think he was kicked out because of his poor judgement in connection with Craig, and Gavin did not pursue his having had been removed from serving as lead Bitcoin Core maintainer, and so in that sense, yes, he seems to have stepped away from development and stepped away from other ways of being involved in bitcoin, or gave up in his attempts to push BIG Blocker nonsense.. Maybe Gavin was compromised by high governmental forces? who knows when such compromising might have had taken place?
Blockstream bought the developers and tried to bully their way into controlling the entire Bitcoin infrastructure. What killed everything Bitcoin stood for is a company artificially limiting blocks to push their own bullshit patented scaling solution by paying off developers or just plain bullying them out of their roles. Only Cobra had the nuts to tell them to go fuck themselves when they came for bitcoin.org.
Blockstream controls bitcoin seems a bit much, but hey whatever you can believe what you like. I wonder how much you are going to want to go back to arguing BIG blocker crying over bygones points in this threads. You are unhappy with bitcoin, but you like it's number go up right now, yet you seem distracted, which might be part of the explanation why you have been in bitcoin since mid-2011 and you still are "accumulating bitcoin." You might not either know what bitcoin is (or have confidence in it) or you might be distracted into shitcoins and trading... which goes back to not knowing what bitcoin is, even though you've been on the forum since mid-2011. Who would-a-thunk?
