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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/consumer-news/363911/car-hacking-software-use-uk-police-shrouded-unacceptable-secrecy


A privacy campaign group has accused the police of “unacceptable secrecy” after almost two-thirds of the UK’s police forces have refused to confirm whether they utilise specialised car-hacking software, which can download data ranging from sat-nav destination history to text messages and even bank details from cars’ on-board computer systems.

One of the few forces willing to be transparent about their use of such software is Derbyshire Constabulary; the police here admit to utilising a vehicle forensics system known as iVe which can be plugged into a car’s computer in order to extract what has been described as a “vast treasure trove” of data, including where the car has been.




Can't catch me in this

Probably will still work when all the cyber trucks are rusting away in a landfill.
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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/consumer-news/363911/car-hacking-software-use-uk-police-shrouded-unacceptable-secrecy


A privacy campaign group has accused the police of “unacceptable secrecy” after almost two-thirds of the UK’s police forces have refused to confirm whether they utilise specialised car-hacking software, which can download data ranging from sat-nav destination history to text messages and even bank details from cars’ on-board computer systems.

One of the few forces willing to be transparent about their use of such software is Derbyshire Constabulary; the police here admit to utilising a vehicle forensics system known as iVe which can be plugged into a car’s computer in order to extract what has been described as a “vast treasure trove” of data, including where the car has been.




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Please go up Bitcoin.

Some of us have hopes and dreams of extreme opulence.

I’m going to need you to start providing me with plentiful green candles. 
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Just roll the scroll-wheel.
yeah.. about that..

A clear case of JJG right there.
Protip: Some of you guys just need to up your mousie game (also known as baby ratt).  
Protip for the ones scrolling a lot: Trackballs.

EDIT: And if you're also pointing and klicking tons of times, use them left handed for scrolling . or right handed if you're a left-hander.
You can also map your mouse scrollwheel to something else than scrolling windows.

hahahahaha

I find it a wee bit funny that you are quoting the "protip" portion of my post, especially for the last couple of years, I have never meant to use the term "protip" in a completely literal way.. ..

I consider the use of "protip" to be a bit of a purposeful exaggeration..

I think that I heard "Joe Rogan," say something like that in one of his podcasts, and thereafter, I had continued to consider the use of "protip" as a kind of fun comment, rather a serious or a literal one.

Yeah, my "Protip" itself was meant as fun, directed at your use of the "Protip" word, while the content following was serious.
Nowadays, it seems to me that "Protip: ..." became some sort of a memetic introduction tagline (or something like that, which i don't know a better term for), or as you described it: a purposeful exaggeration.

Sometimes i got to use these keyboards integrated into video cutting workstations when i was working in the broadcasting area (decades ago), which had built-in trackballs for quickly navigating through content. And man, these were quick as hell. The best thing about them is that they are weighted (and heavy) so they spin on their own for a while after accelerating them.

Starting to believe that this is not the place for me anymore.

Even off-topics are not fun anymore.

WO turned into a cult with people what they want to hear.

Initial years where great thought.



Things are always gonna change.

Protip: Adapt.

For example, Bob used to post a lot of funny (and also sometimes garbage) stuff, besides serious posts, until he went through a personal change, which is just what happens in life, too. He adapted well, by still reading the WO, but shifting importance of WO community life to other topics. It's just about balancing priorities.
I'd recommend to just take it back a little, reading along, trying to (re-)discover the fun in these here parts again. And historically, at least as long as i am a member of this board, the WO was never a place of much fun when times were bearish or sideways. Somehow you have to live through that, ignore the trollz and beggars, just be yourself, engange only in conversations you'd see a benefit for you or the other participants and take things more lightly.
Your mind will likely try to draw your attention to your Ego's "this place doesn't fit me anymore" drama, but you gotta ignore this and remind yourself why you are actually here.
(For example: my occasional Astrophotography stuff  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)
Seriously, it's like every other personal relationship, after intense times together, it needs time for ones self. But not so much in a switch-on/switch-off manner, but better trying to balance it.
Don't cut off your roots, baby Wink

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In the case of the USA, I don't really understand it.
It’s the same as Germany. They have rules and processes setup to deal with confiscated assets. They can’t just decide to keep something if it may go up in value. I imagine it would easier to auction the BTC no matter what and try to pass a bill to begin buying BTC then it would be to just move the confiscated BTC into a reserve fund. Especially when you consider that a lot of that BTC was stolen from actual victims who probably want to fight to get it back (see: Razzlekhan).
Ok didn't know that. And after all we wouldn't know if they have accumulating BTC for a long time. If the US government knows that countries like Russia and Iran and North Korea get into BTC big time, it is hard to imagine that they would not acquire a decent amount of coins over time for themselves without letting the public know. Would they have to let the public know in theory?

Of course if the victims are known or could be identified at some point in the future, then you are perfectly right that they can't just keep those coins for themselves. But my guess would be that that a good amount of those confiscated BTC come from drug dealers. What would the correct legal way then be when someone sold drugs for $10,000 in BTC, gets caught, and in the meantime those BTC increase in total to $100,000 until the case has been settled? Put aside the fact that someone might have to go to jail, but would the drug seller have the right to at least get back some of the value (after paying a penalty)?
For sure, I am also concerned about due process and the obligations of any governments that seize bitcoin, and for sure property and due process rights and even criminal laws are going to vary from country to country.. whether we are referring to a national government that might engage in such prosecution or sometimes it may well be a local government that had engaged in the seizure.. including in the USA property rights tend to be defined by state law.. even though the categories of what laws apply to whom and who's property we are determining (including governmental overreach) can also sometimes become factors.
The right way is definitely to auction it as they would any other seized property or return it to victims. The government should start their stack fresh with no potential claims against it. I saw a bill was just introduced to buy 1,000,000 BTC for the government. Let’s pretend for a second that the government could buy that much BTC and the market could absorb it like a traditional stock market. Using current pricing and expected investment to market cap multiples (x40), that alone would push the price of BTC to $190K. More realistically though, it would moon the price due to lack of supply and additional demand. I don’t think $300K+ is out of the question for next year and this could be the way.

First of all, you are not going to get a change in USA law to cause the bitcoin that it already holds to either become unencumbered or any claims against them to be resolved right away (by executive order or even by congress) since there are due process and property rights clauses in the constitution.

Second, that proposed legislation is not even close to being passed, so you seem to be living in a fantasy if you believe that the US government is going to start buying BTC in order to reach some kind of a "strategic reserve target."  Let the proposed legislation pass and the president sign it first, before you start getting all excited about something that merely has been proposed and it has to get through the senate, house and then past the president's desk.. and then what kinds of dates does it have to become effective (does supposed fantasy law describe if the coin acquisition would be overt or covert or both?).

Don't get me wrong, I am finding it quite interesting and perhaps also bullish that several of the talking points about bitcoin  (and crypto) has changed in the past several months.. yet it still could take a bit of time before actual friendly legislation goes through, even assuming either legislation or executive actions might end up continuing to progress.


You are absolutely correct @JJG, I mean this is politics and everything is/can be possible and we shouldn't be so carried away by what the US said concerning Bitcoin perhaps we should be careful and mindful of what we want to believe because I see this... As a strategy for him to get into power, years back same person was kind of criticizing Bitcoin but whatever it is, I hope it doesn't turn to affect us negatively.
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Let’s pretend…

you seem to be living in a fantasy

I’m glad you’re sticking with me…
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i have a RAT 5 mouse from like a decade ago thats still going. close enough?
That's sick.  Want it.
 

Who can beat a mouse/ratt that lasts for a decade?

I still have two first generation standalone bluetooth Apple trackpads which work fine with their latest Macs, bought in 2013.
One is used for my dayjob.

Much prefer the trackpad over a mouse. I use the pinch and zoom a lot as my eyesight is terrible.
It also just focuses my attention better on whatever I zoom into probably.
I've noticed that web browsers have become more reliable with zoom actually.
If you had a lot of zoomed in tabs, things used to go a bit crazy (no longer able to zoom at all until you restart the browser etc).
Not so much nowadays.
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Starting to believe that this is not the place for me anymore.

Even off-topics are not fun anymore.

WO turned into a cult with people what they want to hear.

Initial years where great thought.

Kind of agree with that as well, you would be missed, here's hoping you will reconsider.

Say what you like.  Who cares?

It does not matter if the rest of us agree with your perspective or not.. ..

Of course, if you are just trolling, then that's another story, you are likely to get backlash, but even if you were a troll, the trolls usually also get away with a certain amount of posting non-substantive and meaningless nonsense.  That does not seem like your historical posts.

Not a troll, and it matters to me what you think because learned a lot from your posts, even if disagreeing at times.

On the subject, I do miss proudhon, he used to balance this thread nicely.
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First of all, you are not going to get a change in USA law to cause the bitcoin that it already holds to either become unencumbered or any claims against them to be resolved right away (by executive order or even by congress) since there are due process and property rights clauses in the constitution.

Second, that proposed legislation is not even close to being passed, so you seem to be living in a fantasy if you believe that the US government is going to start buying BTC in order to reach some kind of a "strategic reserve target."  Let the proposed legislation pass and the president sign it first, before you start getting all excited about something that merely has been proposed and it has to get through the senate, house and then past the president's desk.. and then what kinds of dates does it have to become effective (does supposed fantasy law describe if the coin acquisition would be overt or covert or both?).

Don't get me wrong, I am finding it quite interesting and perhaps also bullish that several of the talking points about bitcoin  (and crypto) has changed in the past several months.. yet it still could take a bit of time before actual friendly legislation goes through, even assuming either legislation or executive actions might end up continuing to progress.

Ok so if I understand you correctly here, the government could not secretly amass a high amount of BTC without letting the public know or without going through congress? I mean there have been countless of things and measures that have been executed and when the public only found out decades later. I am not so much convinced that the government or an agency close to the government would push the price by passing a bill that 1,000,000 BTC should be bought. That would be stupid. I'd rather assume they have already done it for years and years while sticking to the law that confiscated BTC have to be treated differently. Again my question: is it possible that the US government (or an agency close to it) is already sitting on a million BTC? Or whatever amount, but a significant one?

In my opinion BTC is of such a high geostrategic relevance that I would not find it reasonable to inform the whole world about it when purchases are being made.
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I don't make stock calls often, actually only about 4 that I can remember but I'm batting 1000%.

Buy Tesla on IPO
Buy Ford when it dropped below 1 dollar and they refused the Gov bailout
Buy Amd when it went below 1 dollar
Short Intel July 15th.

It takes a man to admit when they were wrong, have a merit. Wink
Wow, that's better than 99% of investors, for sure.
Compare it with my stats:

Bought TSLA after it declined after the IPO, sold few mo later...decided that the story would take too long to fruition...duh!
Bought AAPL in 1997, sold it in 2000 after making 10X
Never bought NVDA
Biggest wins apart from bitcoin were in small biotechs (3x, 5X, even 10X)

Bought bitcoin, though, and still holding...
Perhaps, you don't need many mega-wins and just ONE could be sufficient..at least this is my hope.

But what is your bitcoin buying story.

One version I heard is bought 20 bitcoins in 2015 and then now sitting on them ever since waiting for them to go up to $10 million each.  there were a few variations of it.

I told my story close to a zillion times, so I doubt anyone wants to hear my reiteration of it again... even though some variation of my story is in my bitcoin investment ideas thread.


Ah, I did buy some in 2014, 2015 and later...sold some in 2017..not buying now, apart from small sums...the numbers are not really important because I would not disclose despite your teasing and assumptions, but it is true that I am waiting until the sum reaches a certain high number, possibly, after which I would transition to phase 2. It's not going to be the distribution, but, rather, an organization of matters related to bitcoin and my extended family.

That said, it is possible that I wouldn't live to see phase 2 because bitcoin's price needs to be quite high for me to follow through.
Otherwise, I would just make a will or do a trust. Honestly, currently there is no good method of even giving bitcoin to someone because rules and laws regarding this are at a rudimentary level. You are not going to do it by writing a private code on a piece of paper and putting it in a safe at the bank or at the lawyer's office (lol!) and/or giving someone a trezor/ledger. They wouldn't know what to do with it...it takes quite intense learning to get it properly, as we all know.

I think that some people are paradoxically converting btc into btc etfs now because those units are VERY easy to inherit from you or for you to gift.
I wouldn't do it in principle because to me etfs are inferior to bitcoin itself, but I can see others going this route, especially when brokerages would be allowed to take your btc and give you etfs.

EDIT: I am convinced that this conversion would become a reality later. Why? For a simple reason that brokerages would have more opportunities to earn "yield" on your actual bitcoins vs almost lifeless etfs (which are good only for inheritance or limited borrowing against).
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