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Oh god a downwards death spiral.

Sell sell sell

Or buy the dip and hodl

Your choice.

 No worries.  I just added the uBlock Origin extension to my browser and reopened the bitcoinwisdom BTC/USD chart.  Expect nothing but up for the rest of today.
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only joking... Actually I know Muslims and Nazis were friends with Muslim SS-divisions.

Btw, staying in your country in the first place could be better for your country and the host country as well...

That's better than the best but people living in underdeveloped countries are moving to more developed regions for better life for there families. No one want to leave his house and family but financial conditions force people to do that.

just look for "gay Christmas card" on google and post one.. it's fun !

Did you want to say that you don't celebrate Christmas or that you don't like gays?

Nothing against Christmas. I have a Christian friend who used to send me cake on Christmas and I am with him on Christmas.
About Gay, yes I don't like them since I am straight.

I got some help from chatgpt about Gay Christmas Card and now I am clear about that:

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Oh god a downwards death spiral.

Sell sell sell

Or buy the dip and hodl

Your choice.
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Meh, bit of downwards pressure at the moment. Seems we still have lots of weak hands willing to dump their bags before we hit $100,000 and surge into the most exciting part of the bull run. I’ll never understand the psychology of some people.

It’s Downcember so far but I still fully expect to see a green monthly candle to confirm Pumpcember 2024 becore moving into a life changing year for many of the WO here.

Strong hands boys.
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While reading the history of Bitcoin, I came across a report that created a chart of crypto currencies, trying to highlight historical events. This chart of crypto currencies only includes Bitcoin and Ethereum. The question arises in my mind, was Ethereum ever in a position similar to Bitcoin or better? I saw some answers to this question in the report, but I am not sure whether the report is accurate or not.

Your providing the dumb chart might not be helpful... and you are saying:  "look at this dumb chart"  what does it mean?

Sure there has been quite a bit of marketing to juxtapose ethereum with bitcoin and to obfuscate the sound money attributions of bitcoin - and when such ongoing juxtapositioning takes place, we have an affinity scam , and surely there have been quite a few folks either buying into such ideas of investing into the top "cryptos".. or invest in the top two.. blah blah blah.

In the last couple of years, the market seems to have been figuring out some aspects of the wast of time of ethereum, yet surely there are a lot of folks still considering ethereum to be a "bargain," so the affinity scam surely can continue, just like in recent times we have other shitcoins (shitcoin of the day) pumping such as doggie coin and XRP in recent times... so rotate through the various shitcoins that seem to create similar talking points that play into fears about how folks are too late to bitcoin, but this shitcoin or that shitcoin is going to be able to pump more in order to make up for the time of supposedly being too late to bitcoin... which likely results in recking of many folks who are not insiders regarding those coins...

and yeah, folks spend a lot of time striving to become an insider to one or another shitcoin so that they can get rich quicker than what it might take to merely invest in bitcoin and to ONLY get a 5x-6x returns over the past 2 years (talking from the November 2022 BTC price bottom) or even if we might say that more than 4x returns would have had been more than achievable for someone DCA investing into bitcoin over the past 5 years...yet for some reason 4x over 5 years is not enough.  Surely the longer our BTC timeline then the more likely that our returns would have had been larger, even with a regular DCA approach to our BTC.

Even over a 9 year investment timeline, the profits would have had been right around 33x, and so that should be enough profits, no?

Saylor strikes again!
There's gonna be no coins left for the rest of us soon


Maybe there are three classes of front runners as compare with those who have not yet started investing into BTC?

1st: Prior to 2021: One of the grateful things for those of us who had done most of our BTC accumulation prior to 2021 is that we largely front-ran both Saylor/MSTR and also the crazy-ass money coming into bitcoin through folks who are getting their BTC through the ETFs.  Many of those ETF folks (or even the ones buying into MSTR) were not even thinking about BTC (or BTC derivatives) as one of their investment holdings. So yeah, there are some of us who front-ran both of those kinds of buyers who are now coming crazily into bitcoin.

2nd: Prior to 2024:  Even folks who have been still accumulating a lot of BTC in recent times, the second class of front runners are those who got in prior to the ETF going active (even though in late 2023, there was already a lot of BTC price pumping in anticipation of the BTC spot ETFs getting approved in the USA.

3rd: Those who have just started within the past several months:  The folks who are already actively investing in BTC and who might realize that they need to be as aggressively as they are able to be.  Sure they might not be able to really consider themselves to have a sizable and significant BTC stash until they have been stacking BTC for at least a whole cycle, yet if they have the vision to stack BTC for at least a whole cycle no matter the BTC price, they are likely ahead

4th: Those who have not started stacking BTC:  There are folks who heard about bitcoin, but they are not doing anything to get started in their stacking. Surely it is going to cost these folks more later, and they are more likely to be the senders of wealth rather than the receivers of wealth in the greatest wealth transfer in history, unless they move to category 3, above.

By the way Heslo, unless you really screwed up, I imagine that you figured out this bitcoin thingie-ma-jiggie prior to 2021, so you did most of your BTC accumulation prior to 2021.. Sure I could be wrong, but still.  Even though there are a lot of entities, institutions, governments and rich individuals now only coming to bitcoin and sucking up the BTC supply aggressively, as long as many of us already HODLers are holding (and making sure that we are safeguarding a majority of our coins), we should be more than fine, and sure there are likely some of us still accumulating BTC, but we can see that the earlier that we got into BTC the better in terms of having advantages to having had accumulated much if not most of our BTC prior to some of the folks, entities and governments who are newer to bitcoin..and some surely just coming to bitcoin in the past year or so (and even Saylor is just ramping up his accumulation strategies in recent times).

Yeah mate, I'm good, but ya know, you always want more
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You're never too old to think young.
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A Bitcoiner chooses. A slave obeys.
The Biden/Kamala administration's revenge? Biden already pardoned his criminal son... now selling bitcoins that the government stole from people... weren't they the bitcoiner-friendly candidate? What a fucking farce.

Probably.

They will probably give Zelensky a couple of nukes next.



Maybe they will just return the ones they gave up after being assured that that Piece of Shit Putin would not invade them?



Ukraine never had an independent nuclear weapons arsenal, or control thereof, but agreed to remove Soviet nukes stationed on its territory. They also did not possess the technical capabilities to maintain them, so it was not really "giving up" the nukes.

Actually the Soviet Union no longer exists ( NO MATTER HOW MUCH PUTIN DICK SUCKERS WISH IT DID) and any properties of that FAILED STATE became the properties of the FREED States that they resided in.

Russia was in full control of the launch sequences and you are ignoring the fact that Ukraine could not use them, even if they kept them. And in the end they would have wasted away and decayed.

Simply trying to maintain them would have driven Ukraine's economy down even further, making them even more reliant on Russia. The most they could have done is to take the plutonium out and make a dirty bomb. But that would have only driven Russia to invade Ukraine in the 90s, with the excuse of securing their arsenal.

So what point exactly are you trying to make?
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Are you looking to follow this pattern 2021?

Do not judge price I mean follow the trend.
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Michael Saylor...lol 44 slides in a 3 min presentation.
My grad school professor always said: 1 slide/1 min...don't use small letters and don't make the slide "busy".
I am sure MS heard the same at MIT...he just forgot, perhaps, or not.

I think that Saylor is playing a different game - which is not to necessarily get them (the share holder proxy voters) to absorb all of the information in 3 minutes, but instead to provide them the relevant information so that they have a sort of duty to actually go back through and look through the slides, and perhaps he is also getting a bit of a dig in, to say ... you fucks forced me to give a one to two hour presentation in 3 minutes, so now it is your problem to figure out the information in these various slides.. that I could have had explained to you or even allowed questions, but you forced me to provide the information in 3 minutes.

If they vote against considering putting bitcoin in their treasuries, they are going to be faced with having had received all of the relevant information, yet to have had chosen to receive it in a fire-hosed manner.  They have responsibilities to their shareholders to not be fiduciarialy irresponsible.

And maybe they could have had chosen to put 1% to 10% bitcoin in their treasury, yet the more likely outcome will be that they ignore it, and find out later that they were dumb and stubborn asses.

I see a need for a Neuralink (or Johnny Mnemonic) to 'get' that presentation into the board member heads...I am sure that they asked each other afterwards: what was that?
A mighty data lava 'dump' into subconscious, if you ask me.
I am sure that he did it on purpose...the guy is as edgy as he is brilliant..basically a walking breathing meme/idea/concept.

Yep.  He surely did it on purpose, and creating an obligation for them to do their due diligence beyond 3 minutes of going through the motions.

"We" had our chance for lower and stacking, especially longer term bitcoiners should have had already stacked enough by now.  Funny a newbie like me is having to remind you older farts of such a dynamic in dee cornz.

Now if either of you were in your first cycle, then sure, I would just suggest stack no matter what.

And, sure I shouldn't be any kind elitist, since I also buy on the dip, even though I don't root for it.
Yeah, sure.

Personally, I don't care about any dips...up and to the right at a 45 degree angle would be just peachy...
...but, we all realize by now that this never happened before and it is unlikely to happen in the future.
The historical projections point to a 70% dip in the next bear...the question is: from where?
I would prefer from no less than 300K. From 150K it would be brutal.
From $1 mil (a crazy number for this cycle) it could be even 80% and still be "fine"...although I could only imagine the angst that this low probability trajectory would ensue.

Well some folks get tricked out of their coins during these pauses in up, and sure it could be possible that we might reverse a bit here, yet I think that too many weak-hands and undeserved folks have sold because they believe that they have it all figured out to buy back somewhere in the $70ks, and perhaps some even more delusional ones are expecting even sub $70k, and surely I would not even be willing to take a 50/50 bet that sub $70k would never happen again, even though I would be willing to take a 50/50 bet that sub $55k will never happen again... at least in the next couple of years.

So yeah, we might be premature if we are thinking about BIG downs from here or even BIG downs from anywhere below $120k, yet at the same time, we realize that one of the things about bitcoin is that BIG downs can end up happening at various times that had not been expected, including that some curve ball pieces of news could be thrown in the mix to exacerbate further down, whether it is sustainable in terms of a long term down or if the down is just a 2-4 week correction.

I think that a lot of the same games are going to continue to be played, yet with BIGGER money, yet it becomes way too difficult to get into specifics, even though many of us likely realize when the UP momentum gets too BiG to handle, then sometimes it just has to run for a bit in order for the price to get away from buying support and also to incentivize some of the currently existing HODLers to part with more of their cornz.

"We" had our chance for lower and stacking, especially longer term bitcoiners should have had already stacked enough by now.  Funny a newbie like me is having to remind you older farts of such a dynamic in dee cornz.

Now if either of you were in your first cycle, then sure, I would just suggest stack no matter what.

And, sure I shouldn't be any kind elitist, since I also buy on the dip, even though I don't root for it.
I obviously can’t make a big difference in my “stack” with my regular accumulation. That isn’t a reason not to regularly accumulate though. Part of the reason I am not 100% invested in Bitcoin is because I like having cash flow from investments to regularly be able to accumulate more BTC, even if it is a small amount.

For sure I do not encourage anyone is 100% invested into bitcoin, yet one of the dilemmas that many long term bitcoiners will tend to have revolve around questions of whether to reallocate as their winner (in this case bitcoin) is outperforming all other assets in their investment portfolio or to just let their bitcoin allocation ride, even though it might well become a very high percentage of their overall holdings, and such a problem (or dilemma) becomes more apparent after going through more cycles and erroring on the side of mostly holding their BTC.

In my case, I am just one year short of having had gone through 3 full cycles, and in your case (going by your forum registration date) you have more than 2 years longer than me.

And sure, any of us might say that we fucked up at various points, and maybe we could move somewhat away from any exact personal example, yet I would still suggest that any strategies that were mostly erroring on the side of accumulating bitcoin would have had decently good potentials to lessen needs to continue to be accumulating now.

Surely my own system is selling on the way up and buying on the way down, so I am not really focused on accumulating BTC, but instead attempting to use the volatility to my advantage in terms of attempting to manage my BTC holdings and to manage some of the downside risks with using money that was sold on the way up in order to buy back, yet surely I would prefer that the BTC price does not fall since my BTC holdings and my whole investment portfolio is doing way better when the BTC price goes up rather than when it goes down..

In other words, I am completely prepared to sell whatever little chunks of BTC on the way up and to never ever have any opportunity to buy back, yet one of the most inevitable things in bitcoin seems to be its volatility, and even though bitcoin's volatility is not inevitably up, we have decently strong pieces of information to suggest that overall bitcoin is going to continue to go up in similar ways as it has in the past, including with a lot of volatility along the way of its going up in the longer trajectory (even though such UPpity is not guaranteed).

I should not want to be too judgmental, yet is seems that at some point many of us longer into bitcoin should be able to arrive at a point in which we have enough BTC or more than enough BTC, so one of my own suspicions regarding why some longer-term bitcoiner guys are not reaching a status of overaccumulation or getting enough BTC is because they had ended up selling way too many BTC too soon, which likely causes them to NOT be focusing on BTC accumulation but instead fucking around with trying to sell and buy back cheaper.. so in that sense many guys are selling bitcoin before they have even reached a status of overaccumulation... so they are always in a state of not having enough BTC.

Sure there could be other explanations and even errors along the way, and perhaps part of the reason that I tend to be such a stickler for accumulation buy focusing on buying and making sure you reach a status of overaccumulation before selling any BTC.

I think we all should stack a little on a regular basis to support the cause.

If you reached a status of having enough or more than enough, then there likely is not much need to stack to support the cause, and surely you could transition from a guy who is stacking all of the time and into a guy who mostly just stacks on the dip, so I could see how that might end up playing out, and surely if you have a lot of cashflow from other areas and you cannot spend it all, then that would also justify stacking more sats, even if you might already have enough or more than enough BTC.  I know that in recent times, I don't usually bring more capital into bitcoin except maybe once in a while I might feel like just throwing some more in for fun.. or during our mid-to-late 2022 drop below $20k, I ended up bringing more capital into bitcoin during that time frame, since I had largely run out of the money that I already had in my bitcoin system that was for buying, and I had gotten pretty close to exhausting any extra money that I had in bitcoin, so at that point, I ended up bringing some more money into bitcoin during a few months around those lows.. perhaps it was between August and December  2022 and we started to have a recovery at the end of 2022 and into early 2023 so I did not feel a need to continue to bring more capital after the BTC price resumed going back up, yet we were not sure if we were going  to have a retest of the $15,479 low of that timeframe.

It’s that steady demand that provides stable market liquidity and strengthens confidence in Bitcoin as a store of value. I may not have $78,000,000,000 in the bank like Microsoft, but my and all of our collective contributions should be valued and encouraged.

In the end, people can do what they want in terms of when and how they buy or if they are fucking around with trying to trade bitcoin.  My main point had to do with being in bitcoin for a decently long period of time should have brought greater chances of getting to a status of overaccumulation, so there is likely no real need to continue to bring new capital into bitcoin.  

Surely those of us earlier into bitcoin would have had gotten lucky if we were able to stack coins early on, even getting through most if not all of our stacking before 2021 would have likely resulted in some good feelings about being able to front-run MSTR and the various people who came to bitcoin through ETFs and now some of the governments getting into bitcoin stacking.. so yeah, part of the problem could be not stacking enough in earlier days, and surely there are plenty of folks who are still in their first full bitcoin cycle, so I hardly would expect many of them to have had reached a status of sufficient or overaccumulation of BTC, so they have to keep stacking until they get to such a status.  

Even a guy who came to bitcoin 5 years ago and begun stacking $250 every week for 5 years still might not be close to enough to having enough BTC since he would have had invested $65,250 yet he would still have less than 3 BTC (not bad, but not as good as someone who had largely finished his stacking prior to 2021).

So for example guys who had been stacking BTC at $250 per week for 5 years prior to 2021 would have invested the same $65,250 amount, yet would have had been able to stack around 36.5 BTC, which surely is in a much better position to have a likelihood of having enough or more than enough BTC...depending on various things going on in his life.
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