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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 17502. (Read 26714742 times)

legendary
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Bearstamp's finally pumped up to $1010. If bearstamp's over $1000 then all the important exchanges should also be above it. The confidence is returning to the market now pools like f2pool are stating they will prevent any attempts at a fork.

You have to ask... What took them so long?
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 2846
Bearstamp's finally pumped up to $1010. If bearstamp's over $1000 then all the important exchanges should also be above it. The confidence is returning to the market now pools like f2pool are stating they will prevent any attempts at a fork.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
BU hashrate 47,2% the last 24 hours.
SELL, PANIC,
Bitcoin is DEAD Shocked

No, seriously, I am a bit worried. My life saving is all in, it's quite stressing.
Stop panicking and using 24 hour based numbers as stats. This is called Variance. Just a little over a day ago, BU was sub 30% and Segwit was leading. Calm down and ignore the fork, which apparently nobody wants (see at the price on Bitfinex e.g.).

I want the fork! It is free money after all. I'll sell BUcoin and buy more Bitcon.
Yes it would be great if both coins arent even worth the same value as the current price.
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
BU hashrate 47,2% the last 24 hours.
SELL, PANIC,
Bitcoin is DEAD Shocked

No, seriously, I am a bit worried. My life saving is all in, it's quite stressing.
Stop panicking and using 24 hour based numbers as stats. This is called Variance. Just a little over a day ago, BU was sub 30% and Segwit was leading. Calm down and ignore the fork, which apparently nobody wants (see at the price on Bitfinex e.g.).

I want the fork! It is free money after all. I'll sell BUcoin and buy more Bitcon.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
Last chance to buy bitcoin uder $1,000 ? :-)
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 3000
Terminated.
BU hashrate 47,2% the last 24 hours.
SELL, PANIC,
Bitcoin is DEAD Shocked

No, seriously, I am a bit worried. My life saving is all in, it's quite stressing.
Stop panicking and using 24 hour based numbers as stats. This is called Variance. Just a little over a day ago, BU was sub 30% and Segwit was leading. Calm down and ignore the fork, which apparently nobody wants (see at the price on Bitfinex e.g.).

Well this is certainly getting Interesting.
The market doesn't massively seem to care yet though. Still pushing $1k.
The market is currently starting to regain trust that a fork will not happen. There have been several statements that companies don't want Bitcoin to fork in two. For example:


https://twitter.com/f2pool_wangchun/status/846266755391512577

They can't reach 75% without F2Pool and the others supporting Segwit anyways.

Current trend: Minor bullish.
After BTU is completely dead: Massive bull-train.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
BU hashrate 47,2% the last 24 hours.
SELL, PANIC,
Bitcoin is DEAD Shocked

No, seriously, I am a bit worried. My life saving is all in, it's quite stressing.

Well this is certainly getting Interesting.
The market doesn't massively seem to care yet though. Still pushing $1k.

Fork is getting closer and closer. Only 47.2% to go.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1031
BU hashrate 47,2% the last 24 hours.
SELL, PANIC,
Bitcoin is DEAD Shocked

No, seriously, I am a bit worried. My life saving is all in, it's quite stressing.

Well this is certainly getting Interesting.
The market doesn't massively seem to care yet though. Still pushing $1k.
sr. member
Activity: 366
Merit: 261
BU hashrate 47,2% the last 24 hours.
SELL, PANIC,
Bitcoin is DEAD Shocked

No, seriously, I am a bit worried. My life saving is all in, it's quite stressing.
sr. member
Activity: 373
Merit: 250
Hey, look Mods! People talking about altcoins here in this thread for pages and pages!

But of course if *I* have something mentioned about an altcoin in one of my posts, it gets deletely instantly!

Selective much?

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

It's because racism.

I'm as white as the driven snow, and the same shit happens to me.

legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
Do you think that the recent political manifestations and repressions in russia are having an impact on the price?

I think you don't have idea what're you talking about.
hero member
Activity: 1876
Merit: 612
Plant 1xTree for each Satoshi earned!
No worries, they want you to sell cheap. It is coming back up already.


https://www.facebook.com/Wititudes/videos/1527953093904576/

We really need gifs with sound... asap... Sad   (someone invent the next level of forum technology faster!)  Cheesy  Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 854
Merit: 277
liife threw a tempest at you? be a coconut !
In the meantime it's clear that btc is a total success. First there is no central authority. Second The blocks are full. It means more txs and more people using it Cool.

right now rather than fight to gain adoption, there are too many txs Cheesy.

this is cool, and it's not like if there wasn't ez solutions.

furthermore it's cool to see that the idea to increase txs/s is gaining traction, one way or another there will be more txs made with btc.

Do you think that the recent political manifestations and repressions in russia are having an impact on the price? Moreover none speaks about the juggernaut in the room, Ms. Yellen and here rate increase. She is still the queen of the hill, uncontested.

legendary
Activity: 3962
Merit: 11519
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I agree with you, but the BU fanatics wont. They are stubborn and they think BU or a fork is the best for bitcoin.

Well of course we do. Though, if this new Classic thing picks up steam, it'll be just as good. This is assuming Classic endeavors to operate upon the actual Bitcoin chain, with no new PoW or somesuch.

For in a world with core, Classic, XT (still some support there), BU and BitcoinEC, only core is the one that will crumble when larger blocks get built. I would assume that in the case of such, core would likely change to accept larger blocks as well.

We'd all be one happy family again, working on a chain with larger blocks. No need to fight this huge dispiriting battle until the 8MB limit is nearing. At which point, we will have proved that larger blocks work, and BU's emergent consensus was indeed The Right Idea. Better yet, with the broader community's eyes on the code. Win/win/win.


I don't know if it is a win/win/win

Yet, there could be some advantages in having hardforks that would then allow for ideological implementations to be carried out and then for miners, developers, consumers to follow whichever fork they believe to best suit their preference(s).   

On the other hand, I doubt that the original intent was to make forks easy to accomplish - and also there was some kinds of assumptions that competing currencies were not necessarily going to be as much of a phenomenon as one currency that kinds of becomes the one and all go to currency... yet maybe this concept of a one and all go to currency was sounding good in theory but does not play out as well in practice?

I still have a tendency to believe that in the longer term, the best of the currencies is going to win out, even though in the shorter term there may be a plethora of competing possibilities.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1688
lose: unfind ... loose: untight
I agree with you, but the BU fanatics wont. They are stubborn and they think BU or a fork is the best for bitcoin.

Well of course we do. Though, if this new Classic thing picks up steam, it'll be just as good. This is assuming Classic endeavors to operate upon the actual Bitcoin chain, with no new PoW or somesuch.

For in a world with core, Classic, XT (still some support there), BU and BitcoinEC, only core is the one that will crumble when larger blocks get built. I would assume that in the case of such, core would likely change to accept larger blocks as well.

We'd all be one happy family again, working on a chain with larger blocks. No need to fight this huge dispiriting battle until the 8MB limit is nearing. At which point, we will have proved that larger blocks work, and BU's emergent consensus was indeed The Right Idea. Better yet, with the broader community's eyes on the code. Win/win/win.
sr. member
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A Blockchain Mobile Operator With Token Rewards
and the debate is truly silly when you realize 1MB is NOT AN OPTION, even with LN we'll NEED bigger blocks
Lol yes - Feels a bit like everybody knows, but nobody cares enough or all are just to afraid.
One obvious solution is to not have the debate, but to solve the problem it in a way which does not need permission from everybody, preferably not altcoins  Grin

Edit:
As a normal user your wallet could do that for you automatically.
The complexity could be wrapped through different adresses for example.

thats my main problem with LN or this extension block thing.
i feel you haven't covered all the bases and the user experience will be severely affected.
oh its simple, you just timelock your BTC into the Xblock and then you sign a raw TX, make sure you flip the bits because of big-endian bit ordering of course, and then you can withdraw from mtgox!
SOONTM this will be all automatic.

Please compare this to a split chain scenario. Essentially your bitcoins are then locked forever in the other chain ;o)
Of course you can sell them, but with extension blocks you could do this too.

Locking would only be needed, when there are not enough miners mining the specific extension blocks, to be safer against reorgs / double spends / replay attacks on the main chain -> See my post above. This is where the simple idea ends and the engineering starts

talk is cheap.
you simply cannot prove this would work without doing it.

all i know is we have no choice but to bump the limit eventually.
this is the ONLY risk i am willing to take.
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 251
Extension Blocks <3 Rootstock <3
and the debate is truly silly when you realize 1MB is NOT AN OPTION, even with LN we'll NEED bigger blocks
Lol yes - Feels a bit like everybody knows, but nobody cares enough or all are just to afraid.
One obvious solution is to not have the debate, but to solve the problem it in a way which does not need permission from everybody, preferably not altcoins  Grin

Edit:
As a normal user your wallet could do that for you automatically.
The complexity could be wrapped through different adresses for example.

thats my main problem with LN or this extension block thing.
i feel you haven't covered all the bases and the user experience will be severely affected.
oh its simple, you just timelock your BTC into the Xblock and then you sign a raw TX, make sure you flip the bits because of big-endian bit ordering of course, and then you can withdraw from mtgox!
SOONTM this will be all automatic.

Please compare this to a split chain scenario. Essentially your bitcoins are then locked forever in the other chain ;o)
Of course you can sell them, but with extension blocks you could do this too.

Locking would only be needed, when there are not enough miners mining the specific extension blocks, to be safer against reorgs / double spends / replay attacks on the main chain -> See my post above. This is where the simple idea ends and the engineering starts
sr. member
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Merit: 250
A Blockchain Mobile Operator With Token Rewards
Finally a Green weekly candle.

If the FUD is getting to you, step away from the computer and come back when satoshi has issued the alert to upgrade

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.

 Wink
sr. member
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Extension Blocks <3 Rootstock <3
As a normal user your wallet could do that for you automatically.
The complexity could be wrapped through different adresses for example.

thats my main problem with LN or this extension block thing.
i feel you haven't covered all the bases and the user experience will be severely affected.
oh its simple, you just timelock your BTC into the Xblock and then you sign a raw TX, make sure you flip the bits because of big-endian bit ordering of course, and then you can withdraw from mtgox!
SOONTM this will be all automatic.

good way to have everyone DASH the F out of here.

and the debate is truly silly when you realize 1MB is NOT AN OPTION, even with LN we'll NEED bigger blocks
just do it already.
Nah you are jumping one step ahead. This is only a raw idea.
If you'd have support from miners and would SF the logic into main blocks, you don't have to lock the bitcoins.

So how would this work without locking bitcoins:
One simple solution would be to hold them in a special address on the main utxo and the user adresses on the extension utxo.

All miners still mine the main blocks.
EC miners additionally mine ec blocks. Segwit miners also mine segwit blocks.
A lot of miners will mine both, because they want to have the fees.

This would require 51% of the miners of an extension block have to be  honest, because only they know the rules.
So having 51% of all miners would be advisable.

When we compare this to a chain split scenario this is not worse, because there we also need 51% of the complete hashing power, to be safe against reorgs.

Sidenote:
I think a reorg on the main chain would only induce the same reorg to the extended blocks, because they are completely synchronized, if the logic of utxo selection for the downgrades is deterministic (think replay attacks) - this is where extension blocks differ from sidechains, where reorgs on the main chain are a huge problem.
sr. member
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As a normal user your wallet could do that for you automatically.
The complexity could be wrapped through different adresses for example.

thats my main problem with LN or this extension block thing.
i feel you haven't covered all the bases and the user experience will be severely affected.
oh its simple, you just timelock your BTC into the Xblock and then you sign a raw TX, make sure you flip the bits because of big-endian bit ordering of course, and then you can withdraw from mtgox!
SOONTM this will be all automatic.

good way to have everyone DASH the F out of here.

and the debate is truly silly when you realize 1MB is NOT AN OPTION, even with LN we'll NEED bigger blocks
just do it already.
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