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legendary
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Worst Olympic Games opening ever.

Bunch of stupid boats on the Seine.

Team 2: The Refugee Team.

 Roll Eyes

*OFF*

Nothing will beat London 2012.

 What??  That was supposed to happen at 7:30 ET.  I've been duped again.  Were the boats real or CGI like the fireworks?
 
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You are exactly right about 5 years before citizenship (plus a language test).
That said, the site says that you need to be in Portugal only 14 days every 2 years.
Basically, a one week vacation per year.



It's two different things.
I never heard anyone spending only 2 weeks every 2 years in Portugal and got the PT passeport. This is the minimum requirement for obtain/maintain the golden visa. It's not related to CITIZENSHIP.

To apply for citizenship, you have to be at least 5 years tax resident in Portugal and as a main residency. And OFC, you cannot qualify as tax resident there if you spend 1 week or even 2 months per year there.

If you buy a property, rent it out you get the tax history.

edit:you can also use the Portugal’s Non-Habitual Residence (NHR) Program

NOT  correct.
You mix different things.

If you buy a property by the golden visa or without, even if you rent it, It doesn't make up tax resident of PT. You have to pay tax on the rental investment you have yes (like in most countries, tax for real estate are based where the flat/house is located, not depending where you are tax resident). Also you can get many TIN numbers in many different countries, it DOESNT make you automatically tax resident there. You have to respect other criteria for that.

AND if you buy your house there (by investment) and just rent it, it's mean you just 'loose' the proof you have a permanent house in PT as i wouldn'be available for you at anytime (if rented). So your home country (or another ones if you have some/too many ties) can challenge you, and above the time spent there per year, according most of the DTTs, they look if you have permanent home available.

GOLDEN VISA / Tax residency and citizenship are 3 different things.

Moreover NHR statut is finished now. You cannot arrive now there and apply for it. People who has already the NHR are still granted for 10 years.

BUT you dont need NHR to get tax incentive of crypto capital gains. This is apply for ANY normal tax resident in Portugal, same way.

(PS : i am under NHR actually).



legendary
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O/T

Worst Olympic Games opening ever.

Bunch of stupid boats on the Seine.

Team 2: The Refugee Team.

 Roll Eyes

*OFF*

Nothing will beat London 2012.
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Here's another dose of hopium by none other than Michael Saylor.

This time it's $10M/coin!

Michael Saylor: "Bitcoin is economic immortality"

I haven't watched it yet, but I'm posting it nonetheless—should be good entertainment.

Apologies if it has already been posted. Too busy IRL to read every post in these here parts.

FTFY.....$100M/coin!!
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You are exactly right about 5 years before citizenship (plus a language test).
That said, the site says that you need to be in Portugal only 14 days every 2 years.
Basically, a one week vacation per year.



It's two different things.
I never heard anyone spending only 2 weeks every 2 years in Portugal and got the PT passeport. This is the minimum requirement for obtain/maintain the golden visa. It's not related to CITIZENSHIP.

To apply for citizenship, you have to be at least 5 years tax resident in Portugal and as a main residency. And OFC, you cannot qualify as tax resident there if you spend 1 week or even 2 months per year there.

If you buy a property, rent it out you get the tax history.

edit:you can also use the Portugal’s Non-Habitual Residence (NHR) Program
legendary
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Here's another dose of hopium by none other than Michael Saylor.

This time it's $10M/coin!

Michael Saylor: "Bitcoin is economic immortality"

I haven't watched it yet, but I'm posting it nonetheless—should be good entertainment.

Apologies if it has already been posted. Too busy IRL to read every post in these here parts.
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fly or die
No cap gains after 1 year is interesting though, I guess I can put Portugal on my list.
legendary
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You are exactly right about 5 years before citizenship (plus a language test).
That said, the site says that you need to be in Portugal only 14 days every 2 years.
Basically, a one week vacation per year.



It's two different things.
I never heard anyone spending only 2 weeks every 2 years in Portugal and got the PT passeport. This is the minimum requirement for obtain/maintain the golden visa. It's not related to CITIZENSHIP.

To apply for citizenship, you have to be at least 5 years tax resident in Portugal and as a main residency. And OFC, you cannot qualify as tax resident there if you spend 1 week or even 2 months per year there.
legendary
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Like this involvement is something
Everybody Now supporting Bitcoin.
Portugal granting opportunity for  citizenship to individuals investing €500K in Bitcoin.  

https://schengen.news/portugal-may-become-first-european-country-to-offer-residency-in-exchange-of-bitcoin-investments/#:~:text=Portugal%20may%20offer%20residency%20through,of%20investments%20made%20through%20Bitcoin.

This seems like an optimistic interpretation of things.

Portugal's golden visa can be gotten with a 500K€ investment in the country. That's true and the amount is an EU rule somewhere, as some countries were selling their passport for cheaper and pressure has been applied on them to increase the price.

As the article says real estate investments were allowed, and this coupled with tax free residency for 10 years for retirees has meant thousands of people going to Portugal and buying flats and houses for 10 times their previous prices, screwing local people royally, so now that's no longer an option.

Apparently some financial investments could be eligible and from there the boss of a Bitcoin fund claims you can invest into his fund and get residency but that's a big stretch.

See https://coinmarketcap.com/community/articles/66a11dd5e4405e7236f83e0f/
On Twitter he says that "You are 'indirectly holding' bitcoin"
...At first, I assumed that you cannot put bitcoin directly into this fund. Basically, you just give them 500K in cash and they invest in in bitcoin ETFs.

However, on the fund page they say:
"Turning your digital assets to a key for mobility", so it sounds like the opposite

So, it is less clear and more info is needed.
I found that they have 10% performance fee and 2% management fee (this probably means 10% off of appreciation and 2% "management', similar to what GBTC has [1.5%]).


Seem like a bit bullshit...

1) There is no way they can promise the return they are saying
2) They will MOST probably convert your BTC somehow
3) Golden visa or not (for not EU citizen), you have to live minimum 5 years in Portugal as main residency (and more than 183days a year) AND you have to pass official portuguese language test to qualify too.

You are exactly right about 5 years before citizenship (plus a language test).
That said, the site says that you need to be in Portugal only 14 days every 2 years.
Basically, a one week vacation per year.

legendary
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Bitcoin price edging...
What debauchery awaits,
Those with enough corn!

#quickndirtyhaiku
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Like this involvement is something
Everybody Now supporting Bitcoin.
Portugal granting opportunity for  citizenship to individuals investing €500K in Bitcoin. 

https://schengen.news/portugal-may-become-first-european-country-to-offer-residency-in-exchange-of-bitcoin-investments/#:~:text=Portugal%20may%20offer%20residency%20through,of%20investments%20made%20through%20Bitcoin.

This seems like an optimistic interpretation of things.

Portugal's golden visa can be gotten with a 500K€ investment in the country. That's true and the amount is an EU rule somewhere, as some countries were selling their passport for cheaper and pressure has been applied on them to increase the price.

As the article says real estate investments were allowed, and this coupled with tax free residency for 10 years for retirees has meant thousands of people going to Portugal and buying flats and houses for 10 times their previous prices, screwing local people royally, so now that's no longer an option.

Apparently some financial investments could be eligible and from there the boss of a Bitcoin fund claims you can invest into his fund and get residency but that's a big stretch.
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Portugal granting opportunity for  citizenship to individuals investing €500K in Bitcoin.

If this means Portugal will include Bitcoin as an asset in its foreign exchange reserves, it would mean more than just the ability to apply for a passport with Bitcoin investment. Most countries have been too cautious so far, and such a move from a European country would be confirmation that Bitcoin is already being treated as a significant international asset.

Seem like a bit bullshit...

1) There is no way they can promise the return they are saying
2) They will MOST probably convert your BTC somehow
3) Golden visa or not (for not EU citizen), you have to live minimum 5 years in Portugal as main residency (and more than 183days a year) AND you have to pass official portuguese language test to qualify too.

I wouldn't mind more realistic returns. But I'm seriously considering such a move after this bull is over. it must be a country where they do not treat bitcoin holders as criminals, and the tax treatment is fair. Any ideas, gents?

I am currently (since few years) resident in Portugal under NHR tax scheme (tax free on all foreign income like dividends/interests/royalties) granted for 10 years. Now you cannot apply anymore for that, they stopped it for new applicants.

I didnt need Golden visa as i am EU citizen, so it's more easy. But you dont need golden visa / NHR tax scheme to get tax incentive in crypto capital gain. It wasn't any tax on capital gain till 2022. From 01/01/2023, any tax resident in PT (specific tax scheme, or normal one = the same) you have to declare your capital again every year in your tax return (converted in fiat). If you hold it for 365days+ = tax free. If less = 28% tax.
legendary
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Portugal granting opportunity for  citizenship to individuals investing €500K in Bitcoin.

If this means Portugal will include Bitcoin as an asset in its foreign exchange reserves, it would mean more than just the ability to apply for a passport with Bitcoin investment. Most countries have been too cautious so far, and such a move from a European country would be confirmation that Bitcoin is already being treated as a significant international asset.

Seem like a bit bullshit...

1) There is no way they can promise the return they are saying
2) They will MOST probably convert your BTC somehow
3) Golden visa or not (for not EU citizen), you have to live minimum 5 years in Portugal as main residency (and more than 183days a year) AND you have to pass official portuguese language test to qualify too.

I wouldn't mind more realistic returns. But I'm seriously considering such a move after this bull is over. it must be a country where they do not treat bitcoin holders as criminals, and the tax treatment is fair. Any ideas, gents?
legendary
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Portugal granting opportunity for  citizenship to individuals investing €500K in Bitcoin.

If this means Portugal will include Bitcoin as an asset in its foreign exchange reserves, it would mean more than just the ability to apply for a passport with Bitcoin investment. Most countries have been too cautious so far, and such a move from a European country would be confirmation that Bitcoin is already being treated as a significant international asset.

Seem like a bit bullshit...

1) There is no way they can promise the return they are saying
2) They will MOST probably convert your BTC somehow
3) Golden visa or not (for not EU citizen), you have to live minimum 5 years in Portugal as main residency (and more than 183days a year) AND you have to pass official portuguese language test to qualify too.
legendary
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legendary
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