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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
How retarded are you guys..
There is no reason for a btc drop, it doesnt matter if he is revealed. Imo its a good thing, now he can speak his mind over the block discussion.
If btc will nosedive it will rise till new hights very soon. Maybe this is the news that will be manipulated for a dump in to flash spike.


I don't think that various responders here are retarded. 

You know we are also responding to new news, which in part is the market's reaction (and possibly over-reaction to news that seems highly likely to be fraudulent). 

If it does turn out within hours or even days that the news is discovered to be fraudulent, then that could provide a decent springboard for an upward BTC price trajectory, like you suggested; however, sometimes stupid-ass news like this gets way too much attention (and yeah, we are discussing it too), weight and credibility and it takes longer to figure out to have been false in the first place.....  that was true with the mike hernia news, remember how long it took to figure out to be whining... even though it seems ridiculous to even have much credibility.

 And, just like within your comment, you seem to already be given too much potential legitimacy to the claim that Wright could be Satoshi when you say:  "Imo its a good thing, now he can speak his mind over the block discussion." 

In fact, your kind of statement is kind of an internal contradiction (and possibly seeming a bit retarded (i'm not trying to call any names here) ), because you could not really believe that if Wright were in fact Satoshi that his chiming in on the block discussion would be a good thing for bitcoin when it had begun to appear 1) the block size limit debate was coming around to seemingly temporarily resolutions with seg wit etc and 2) those big block claims of Wright of 340 mg blocks were just non-sensical to the real original visions of bitcoin in attempting to keep bitcoin decentralized.  You not going to really achieve decentralization and/or manageability of spam with something like 340 mg blocks.. that's pure ridiculous and distracting to bitcoin's current decentralized and scaling trajectory that seg wit seems to allow in a much more manageable way.  In that regard, Wright would be opening a can of worms that really don't need to be opened... and yeah, this seems to be convenient for Gavin and some of the other big blockers to want to keep this nonsense alive.


legendary
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so after bitcoin creator unmasked, and people trust craig wight is satoshi nakamoto the price will be back to $500 ? Roll Eyes

Market's reaction suggests back to 300$...

Frequently, you can be a reasonable guy, but comments like these are just way too much....

I didn't say "300$ right away", did I? But this dump is damaging the bullish scenario, so the probability of testing 300$ increases.
I wasn't shorting, on the contrary I had a small long, and the dump triggered the stop loss.
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1016
How retarded are you guys..
There is no reason for a btc drop, it doesnt matter if he is revealed. Imo its a good thing, now he can speak his mind over the block discussion.
If btc will nosedive it will rise till new hights very soon. Maybe this is the news that will be manipulated for a dump in to flash spike.

According to the bbc story the reason Craig Wright's house was raided by police was due to money he owes the Australian tax man. I can't remember the details, but if he owes a lot, he could dump a load of Bitcoins to pay the debt off if he really is Satoshi.

Yepp that's the reason for the actual dive.
See it from other side of the medal.
Might be a good opportunity to accumulate more coins when you have some spare fiat left.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
How retarded are you guys..
There is no reason for a btc drop, it doesnt matter if he is revealed. Imo its a good thing, now he can speak his mind over the block discussion.
If btc will nosedive it will rise till new hights very soon. Maybe this is the news that will be manipulated for a dump in to flash spike.

According to the bbc story the reason Craig Wright's house was raided by police was due to money he owes the Australian tax man. I can't remember the details, but if he owes a lot, he could dump a load of Bitcoins to pay the debt off if he really is Satoshi.

fud, if he paid out 2m he gonna pay 300-600k cash, not gonna crash the market.
legendary
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.... and "the Internet" is able to investigate and debunk this fraud in minutes while investigative journalists are fooled once again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hflr3/craig_wrights_signature_is_worthless/

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JoukeH discovered that the signature on Craig Wright's blog post is not a signature of any "Sartre" message, but just the signature inside of Satoshi's 2009 Bitcoin transaction. It absolutely doesn't show that Wright is Satoshi, and it does very strongly imply that the purpose of the blog post was to deceive people.

So Craig Wright is once again shown to be a likely scammer. When will the media learn?"

Take the signature being “verified” as proof in the blog post:
MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=

Convert to hex:
3045022100c12a7d54972f26d14cb311339b5122f8c187417dde1e8efb6841f55c34220ae002206 6632c5cd4161efa3a2837764eee9eb84975dd54c2de2865e9752585c53e7cce

Find it in Satoshi's 2009 transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe?format=hex


Pathetic that Gavin went along with this without being more skeptical.
sr. member
Activity: 295
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How retarded are you guys..
There is no reason for a btc drop, it doesnt matter if he is revealed. Imo its a good thing, now he can speak his mind over the block discussion.
If btc will nosedive it will rise till new hights very soon. Maybe this is the news that will be manipulated for a dump in to flash spike.

According to the bbc story the reason Craig Wright's house was raided by police was due to money he owes the Australian tax man. I can't remember the details, but if he owes a lot, he could dump a load of Bitcoins to pay the debt off if he really is Satoshi.
legendary
Activity: 3934
Merit: 11405
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
so after bitcoin creator unmasked, and people trust craig wight is satoshi nakamoto the price will be back to $500 ? Roll Eyes

Market's reaction suggests back to 300$...

Frequently, you can be a reasonable guy, but comments like these are just way too much....
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
How retarded are you guys..
There is no reason for a btc drop, it doesnt matter if he is revealed. Imo its a good thing, now he can speak his mind over the block discussion.
If btc will nosedive it will rise till new hights very soon. Maybe this is the news that will be manipulated for a dump in to flash spike.
legendary
Activity: 3934
Merit: 11405
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Just wow!
Wright again comes up again with another story that he is Satoshi, Gavin is supporting that and the price takes a dive.
Let's see how low we will go.
If it's sub 400 this could become ugly.


Gavin Andresen says he's seen proof from signed keys only Satoshi could have controlled. I'm sure we all want to check for ourselves rather than take his word for it. Can anyone post a link to some cryptographic proof that we  can check for ourselves?

http://gavinandresen.ninja/satoshi

Yeah, convenient if Gavin is the corroborator of evidence.  That guy comes off as credible to mainstream, but he certainly has lost a lot of credibility with the bitcoin community with his recent big blocks and attempts at changing bitcoin governance shenanigans.
legendary
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Just wow!
Wright again comes up again with another story that he is Satoshi, Gavin is supporting that and the price takes a dive.
Let's see how low we will go.
If it's sub 400 this could become ugly.


Seems like every time Gavin opens his mouth the price takes a dive ...



legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
This could be like the Silk Road drop.
sr. member
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Just wow!
Wright again comes up again with another story that he is Satoshi, Gavin is supporting that and the price takes a dive.
Let's see how low we will go.
If it's sub 400 this could become ugly.


Gavin Andresen says he's seen proof from signed keys only Satoshi could have controlled. I'm sure we all want to check for ourselves rather than take his word for it. Can anyone post a link to some cryptographic proof that we  can check for ourselves?

http://gavinandresen.ninja/satoshi
hero member
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Bear with me
Bottom is at around 440.
legendary
Activity: 2170
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so after bitcoin creator unmasked, and people trust craig wight is satoshi nakamoto the price will be back to $500 ? Roll Eyes

Market's reaction suggests back to 300$...
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1016
Just wow!
Wright again comes up again with another story that he is Satoshi, Gavin is supporting that and the price takes a dive.
Let's see how low we will go.
If it's sub 400 this could become ugly.
hero member
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Merit: 500
Yeah.  All of the original bitcoin's happening to be in a trust, seems to be a very big convenience, and quite implausible that he would not have access to at least a small amount of those original coins.

The big blocker siding makes the whole claim of Wright being Satoshi seem even more suspicious.



But he claims to still have access to the coins but doesn't want to move them out of a trust. Wright appears to trying to pull a con where he makes the world believe he is in possession of 1 million btc locked in a "trust" so he can get respect and investments from people who assume he is insanely wealthy.

The ridiculous thing is that exchanges move their reserves all the time without any problems for auditing and security purposes , because there are practically an infinite amount of public addresses to use, this can be done securely without risk, and doesn't effect the legal ownership he claims to be so concerned about.
Maybe he does not know how Bitcoin works at all Huh Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 3934
Merit: 11405
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Yeah.  All of the original bitcoin's happening to be in a trust, seems to be a very big convenience, and quite implausible that he would not have access to at least a small amount of those original coins.

The big blocker siding makes the whole claim of Wright being Satoshi seem even more suspicious.



But he claims to still have access to the coins but doesn't want to move them out of a trust. Wright appears to trying to pull a con where he makes the world believe he is in possession of 1 million btc locked in a "trust" so he can get respect and investments from people who assume he is insanely wealthy.

The ridiculous thing is that exchanges move their reserves all the time without any problems for auditing and security purposes , because there are practically an infinite amount of public addresses to use, this can be done securely without risk, and doesn't effect the legal ownership he claims to be so concerned about.


Someone who built a currency out of a mistrust of the government puts all of his bitcoins (which are not secure unless you own the keys) in the hands of a trust which is enforceable by government.

Worse than this ... how Satoshi must have loved large companies and banks controlling all the nodes with 340GB megablocks....

Simulations on his supercomputer show, he says, that blocks could theoretically be as large as 340 gigabytes in a specialised bitcoin network shared by banks and large companies." http://www.economist.com/news/briefings/21698061-craig-steven-wright-claims-be-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin

Ridiculous.



O.k.

Now that we have preliminarily concluded that Wright's claim to being Satoshi is less than about .1% likely, one of the questions seems to be how far this fake news dump, including the spreading of FUCD, is going to take down BTC prices... gosh?  This could cause us to revisit $420  and likely even $400 if the likely fraud is not clarified, soon.

Mainstream media, just loves to present this kind of nonsense as if it were 99% likely rather than .1% likely.







hero member
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so after bitcoin creator unmasked, and people trust craig wight is satoshi nakamoto the price will be back to $500 ? Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 994
Merit: 1035
Yeah.  All of the original bitcoin's happening to be in a trust, seems to be a very big convenience, and quite implausible that he would not have access to at least a small amount of those original coins.

The big blocker siding makes the whole claim of Wright being Satoshi seem even more suspicious.



But he claims to still have access to the coins but doesn't want to move them out of a trust. Wright appears to trying to pull a con where he makes the world believe he is in possession of 1 million btc locked in a "trust" so he can get respect and investments from people who assume he is insanely wealthy.

The ridiculous thing is that exchanges move their reserves all the time without any problems for auditing and security purposes , because there are practically an infinite amount of public addresses to use, this can be done securely without risk, and doesn't effect the legal ownership he claims to be so concerned about.


Someone who built a currency out of a mistrust of the government puts all of his bitcoins (which are not secure unless you own the keys) in the hands of a trust which is enforceable by government.

Worse than this ... how Satoshi must have loved large companies and banks controlling all the nodes with 340GB megablocks....

Simulations on his supercomputer show, he says, that blocks could theoretically be as large as 340 gigabytes in a specialised bitcoin network shared by banks and large companies." http://www.economist.com/news/briefings/21698061-craig-steven-wright-claims-be-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin

Ridiculous.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
Drop coincided with Craig Wright outing himself as Satoshi.

I still don't believe it, he's been trying too hard to make himself Satoshi.

I agree, Likely fraud.


"he's got the private keys. "

he is refusing to sign a tx using block 9 keys and merely discovered a hash referencing Jean-Paul Sartre on block 9 which anyone could have made.

"He also says he can’t send any bitcoin because they are now owned by a trust. And he rejected the idea of having The Economist send him another text to sign as proof that he actually possesses these private keys, rather than simply being the first to publish a proof which was generated at some point in the past by somebody else. Either people believe him now—or they don’t, he says. “I’m not going to keep jumping through hoops.”"

It is trivial for him to publish a message and than sign a new tx without risk and without moving them out of a trust.

He is clearly a fraud.

http://gavinandresen.ninja/satoshi

Gavin, is either lacking skepticism due to a cognitive bias (Craig Steven Wright just happens to be a big blocker*) or is willing to use this fraud to further his agenda. Either way, I lost even more respect for Gavin with this blog post.

* "Mr Wright says that if he could reinvent bitcoin, he would program in a steady increase of the block size. He also intends to publish mathematical proof that there is no trade-off between the mass adoption of the cryptocurrency and its remaining decentralised. Simulations on his supercomputer show, he says, that blocks could theoretically be as large as 340 gigabytes in a specialised bitcoin network shared by banks and large companies." http://www.economist.com/news/briefings/21698061-craig-steven-wright-claims-be-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin

Anyone curious about the timing of this as well ? Just so happens that this is released right after the "deadline" of segwit be released where people are complaining that the HK agreement was not met regardless of the scalability timeline always indicating a simple pull request expected in April (which was met weeks ago)


Yeah.  All of the original bitcoin's happening to be in a trust, seems to be a very big convenience, and quite implausible that he would not have access to at least a small amount of those original coins.

The big blocker siding makes the whole claim of Wright being Satoshi seem even more suspicious.

Someone who built a currency out of a mistrust of the government puts all of his bitcoins (which are not secure unless you own the keys) in the hands of a trust which is enforceable by government.
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