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legendary
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Everyone yells doom for the past so many years, and it just doesn't happen.

I am convinced the dollar collapse, market crash, and all the other doom bullshit is not gonna happen anytime in the near future.

They are gonna milk this bubble as long as they can.

The crashes happen on or very near election years. See: 1987, 2000, 2008, 2016 (probably)

It will be between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. What could go wrong?
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sr. member
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Everyone yells doom for the past so many years, and it just doesn't happen.

I am convinced the dollar collapse, market crash, and all the other doom bullshit is not gonna happen anytime in the near future.

They are gonna milk this bubble as long as they can.

The crashes happen on or very near election years. See: 1987, 2000, 2008, 2016 (probably)
legendary
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Hide your women

lol, how surprising.
i thought the US revived its "growth" and that its economy was "healthy" as ever?

Grin

Rates are going to go negative before they go up (which is prolly never).  The banks have effectively zero reserves if you account for underperforming loans, so the only capital they have to lend out is money they borrow from the Fed at lower interest rates than they charge.  There is no way out of this trap. If they book the loan losses, they become (or more accurately are revealed to be) insolvent.  

It's not a fractional reserve system anymore. It's a zero reserve system kept on life support by a zero interest rate policy.  There is no real capital formation, only loans available with the source ultimately everybody who holds any amount of cash.  Money conjured from thin air is value stolen from existing currency holders.

No wonder we saw this BTC spike today. Fiat is radioactive and you need to get rid of it as fast as possible and park wealth in anything that will hold it's value.  I got a call today from out of the blue from a finance company offering to lend me money with no credit check.  I wasn't following the news. Now I know why they are getting that desperate.  There are no credit-worthy borrowers left who want to borrow, so they are pushing out to subprime again.  Just like in 2007.  Madness.  

legendary
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Everyone yells doom for the past so many years, and it just doesn't happen.

I am convinced the dollar collapse, market crash, and all the other doom bullshit is not gonna happen anytime in the near future.

They are gonna milk this bubble as long as they can.
legendary
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A velvet-roped library
legendary
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lol, how surprising.
i thought the US revived its "growth" and that its economy was "healthy" as ever?

Grin
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5 minutes to interest rate decision...
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price just rises 5 usd  Shocked


what happen ? are we rich yet ?  Huh
if you are not yet.; you are doing it wrong Wink
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Passing the time:


In the present era of fiat economics, delaying gratification just doesn’t work. Branded as unpatriotic, unproductive, and selfish, waiting to save up for something you really want is a one-way ticket to social alienation. If you’re not stimulating the economy, constantly injecting fresh capital into the bloodstream of the junky, it’s going to collapse, go into withdrawal, and die. You have to buy that shit right now. Or else? Well, you won’t be keeping up with the Joneses and inflation will rob your ass.

This lens, that of citizen-as-consumer, is a bizarre worldview indeed. It’s a sort of fascist bread and circus routine. You’ll be happy as long as the multi-nationals have something to sell you. Won’t you?

But you can’t trick the Bitcoiners! Oh no! We’re better, smarter, faster, and (can afford to hire people who’re) stronger! We don’t succumb to materialism, the temptations of The Man, etc. That’s for other people. Lesser people.

But if that’s so, why do the vast, vast majority of Bitcoiners (at least those on bitcointalk, /r/bitcoin, and Facebook) constantly expound the virtues of merchant adoption? Why does the ommmm of mainstream Bitcoiners sound suspiciously like “Amazoooooooon”.

The logic of merchant adoption appears to be loosely based on the idea that the more people see “BITCOIN ACCEPTED HERE” signs, the more people will know about Bitcoin, the more people will want it, the more demand pressure will squeeze the known supply, the more to the moon. This line of logic continues, with a known BTC supply increase of 11.11% in 2014 and a perfectly efficient market (which, if Mt Gox is anything to go by, is a ludicrous notion), we can infer that any USD/BTC price increases represent an increase in demand net of that supply increase. All because of merchants. Because obviously.

Aside from the increasingly obfuscated price signali, there’s a philosophical contradiction here. Bitcoin is powerful because it’s outside of the current paradigm, outside of the existing infrastructureii, and because it presents an opportunity to abjugate ourselves from a fossilized system. Yet our birthplaces and our places of habitation, soaked in deep layers of consumerist muddle, prevents us from seeing what lays beyond yonder mountain of Walmart refuse.

If independence means freedom, in the emerging Era of Bitcoin, independence means freedom from physicality, both geographic and material. If Germany had its wealth stored in BTC instead of gold, it wouldn’t have to beg the USG to please, pretty please, let it audit its own stores under Manhattan. If Germany stockpiled bitcoin instead of gold, it might actually be an independent nation.

Merchants like your local coffee shop have never accepted diamonds for goods or services rendered. And diamonds aren’t available from ATMs in the shopping mall. Incredibly, rappers still think they’re crazy valuable. Funny how that works.

Effective marketing rarely, if ever, increases the value of a product by making it 100% accessible all at once – it tends to be the opposite. De Beers hoards that shit in warehouses so it’s only as available as they want. Why don’t we do that with BTC? Rather than feeding into our consumerist leanings and making bitcoin easier to buy and spend, perhaps we’d be far better off making it more exclusive, like a velvet-roped night club, but for numerically competent folks. A velvet-roped library, then.

Bitcoin, unlike fiat, demands that we delay gratification. For once. This can be confusing at first, but it’s a lesson we soon learn. I learned it last summer when I spent 3 BTC on a $450 case of wine in Kelowna. Today, I could’ve bought that case for 0.64 BTC, and probably more like 0.1 BTC before long, then 0.001 BTC, etc.

For those of you holding, be patient, watch bitcoin grow, and fight the temptation to spend it. Your future self will thank you for it.


http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/25/matters-of-bitcoin-merchant-adoption/



Accumulation & patience Cool
legendary
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price just rises 5 usd  Shocked


what happen ? are we rich yet ?  Huh
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
tl:dr  BTC velocity is high, other assets are likely better long term storage

 Huh

Where do you get this idea?
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