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legendary
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Hide your women
Doesn't that go against the whole guilty until proven innocent thing?

People often joke that "America has the worst form of government on the planet except for all the others." It ain't perfect.

There's a "stop and frisk" law in New York now. Basically if you look suspicious they can just stop you and search your person. That seems incredibly un-American to me (an American) yet it exists, seemingly in direct contradiction to "innocent until proven guilty" and the search laws we already have on the books.

The 4th Amendment is supposed to protect us from unreasonable searches and seizures, but it's the government that determines what is unreasonable, so it's worthless. Banking isn't the only sector of society that needs to be decentralized.
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legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
Legally, lol, but in real life how does it work?

I live in Manhattan about half-time.  Laws are a joke.  Rich people and cops can do whatever they want to poor people.  They kill and rape and steal.  The poor people are disarmed.  There is a law in the U.S., a foundational law, referred to as the right to keep and bear arms.  Does not exist.  If you are poor, you are defenseless.  If you are rich, you have goons.  Only thugs working for the rich are armed.

Now, for middle-class people, interacting with other middle-class people, the rules are mostly observed.  And in fact, that's still a fair number of people in Manhattan.  In the rest of the U.S., outside of say DC and SF, the middle class is pretty much disappearing.  Consequently the very limited domain in which the rules are observed is a rapidly shrinking one. 

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Gox missing coins.

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/

How long until the Gox log files go missing.
Mark should release SHA hashes of the log files now, to prove he hasn't modified them later.


legendary
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Born to chew bubble gum and kick ass
"That same document also described fiat assets of $32.43m and liabilities of $55m. The assets include $5m “held by CoinLab” and another $5.5m “held by the DHS”. "

So $21 million in liquidity remains in Gox bank  to be disbursed to clients. How much will go back to purchase real coins!  Roll Eyes

Where's the $21M?

Assets - Liabilities = -$22.57M, hence the need for declaring bankruptcy.



$32.43m/$55m = 59%

theoretically this is what you get back

I wonder if the coins are included in the figures

I doubt we'll see anything. There will be experts and court clerks to pay. Their fees will eat our funds.
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Doesn't that go against the whole guilty until proven innocent thing?

People often joke that "America has the worst form of government on the planet except for all the others." It ain't perfect.

There's a "stop and frisk" law in New York now. Basically if you look suspicious they can just stop you and search your person. That seems incredibly un-American to me (an American) yet it exists, seemingly in direct contradiction to "innocent until proven guilty" and the search laws we already have on the books.

False, "looking suspicious" isn't enough legally:

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/criminal-procedure/CPL0140.50_140.50.html

a police officer may stop a person in a public place located within the geographical area of such officer's  employment when  he reasonably  suspects  that  such  person  is  committing,  has committed or is about to commit either (a) a felony or (b) a misdemeanor defined in the penal law, and may demand of him his name, address and an explanation of his conduct.

Legally, lol, but in real life how does it work? There's a Youtube video of a kid who was tired of being harassed for "looking suspicious" so he records his next stop.
http://www.thenation.com/article/170413/stopped-and-frisked-being-fking-mutt-video

There's plenty of other violations of this ridiculous law, which is why there shouldn't be a fucking "stop and frisk" law. Stop and frisk AFTER a crime has been committed. You know, that crazy "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Troubling, I know. We do not arrest for thought crimes, or at least we're supposed to have grown beyond that.
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$32.43m/$55m = 59%

theoretically this is what you get back

I wonder if the coins are included in the figures

Coins aren't included - it states fiat assets.

Other creditors will be paid ahead of customers.  MTGox filed for a "similar to chapter 11" bankruptcy, so the business isn't being wound up. It's premature to talk about assets being distributed and, as the original poster predicted, reinvested into BTC.
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did you know that the Methuselah foundation accepts bitcoin donations!!


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What a relief butterflylabs site is back up, in 2 weeks time I'm going to order some miners Smiley

legendary
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@theshmadz
Doesn't that go against the whole guilty until proven innocent thing?

People often joke that "America has the worst form of government on the planet except for all the others." It ain't perfect.

There's a "stop and frisk" law in New York now. Basically if you look suspicious they can just stop you and search your person. That seems incredibly un-American to me (an American) yet it exists, seemingly in direct contradiction to "innocent until proven guilty" and the search laws we already have on the books.

False, "looking suspicious" isn't enough legally:

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/criminal-procedure/CPL0140.50_140.50.html

a police officer may stop a person in a public place located within the geographical area of such officer's  employment when  he reasonably  suspects  that  such  person  is  committing,  has committed or is about to commit either (a) a felony or (b) a misdemeanor defined in the penal law, and may demand of him his name, address and an explanation of his conduct.

yeah, all that legal language basically means "looking suspicious"

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butterflylabs.com is completely running normal - at least if you try to reach it from here (central Europe).

seems to be a problem of the CDN.
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Doesn't that go against the whole guilty until proven innocent thing?

People often joke that "America has the worst form of government on the planet except for all the others." It ain't perfect.

There's a "stop and frisk" law in New York now. Basically if you look suspicious they can just stop you and search your person. That seems incredibly un-American to me (an American) yet it exists, seemingly in direct contradiction to "innocent until proven guilty" and the search laws we already have on the books.

False, "looking suspicious" isn't enough legally:

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/criminal-procedure/CPL0140.50_140.50.html

a police officer may stop a person in a public place located within the geographical area of such officer's  employment when  he reasonably  suspects  that  such  person  is  committing,  has committed or is about to commit either (a) a felony or (b) a misdemeanor defined in the penal law, and may demand of him his name, address and an explanation of his conduct.
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