I'm on a big psilocybin and DMT research binge again right now. Funny how it came up in this thread at the same time.
Nice. Any bitcoin-related insights? I tried watching bitlisten.com on cubensis, but didn't feel any connectness or anything so left that pretty quickly. 
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July 28, 2013, 03:46:50 PM
July 28, 2013, 03:31:34 PM
I'm on a big psilocybin and DMT research binge again right now. Funny how it came up in this thread at the same time.
Ahhh, then have some fun and listen to Terrence McKenna. A bard with words and was quite knowledgable but also a GREAT storyteller.
The psychedelic salon podcast has lots of his talks there.
July 28, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
What exactly happened to good old fashioned fucking tolerance, huh?
I personally believe (a) astrology is pretty much bullshit, or at least: completely uninteresting for me as a guiding algorithm to go through life, but I also (b) don't get my knickers in a twist when it turns out someone believes it has some merits.
"... should be put on an island"... sheesh. You'd fit right into r/atheism. And that's obviously no compliment.
I personally believe (a) astrology is pretty much bullshit, or at least: completely uninteresting for me as a guiding algorithm to go through life, but I also (b) don't get my knickers in a twist when it turns out someone believes it has some merits.
"... should be put on an island"... sheesh. You'd fit right into r/atheism. And that's obviously no compliment.
July 28, 2013, 03:22:37 PM
Coincidence.
haha
but what have you been reading about?
July 28, 2013, 03:20:50 PM
Coincidence.
July 28, 2013, 03:14:29 PM
I'm on a big psilocybin and DMT research binge again right now. Funny how it came up in this thread at the same time.
synchronicity? 
July 28, 2013, 03:13:09 PM
I'm on a big psilocybin and DMT research binge again right now. Funny how it came up in this thread at the same time.
July 28, 2013, 03:09:35 PM
July 28, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
What is a reputable astrolger? Can you explain that to me?
My guess is it depends on what drives an "astrologer", what their roots and teachings are, and what they base them upon. Most astrologers on TV are out there make a buck. Some dedicate their lives to the study and are really in tune with life and everything. I imagine there is a difference between their spiritualisms. There's a lot of astrology based on ancient Vedic observations, but I'm not terribly familiar with astrology to comment on this. I just had my little revelation starting at the beginning of this summer when I went to bonnaroo, and later stumbled into Otoh's astro chart thread, which has led to a series of other events via reading more into it. It's a fun little rabbit hole, for sure.
Quote from: http://harekrishna.com/col/books/YM/cbh/ch2.html
John Lennon: How would you know, anyway? How are you able to tell? I mean, for any of your disciples or us or anybody else who goes to any spiritual master how are we to tell if he's for real or not?
Srila Prabhupada: You shouldn't go to just any spiritual master.
Who's a Genuine Guru?
John Lennon: Yes, we should go to a true master. But how are we to tell one from the other?
Srila Prabhupada: It is not that you can go to just any spiritual master. He must be a member of a recognized sampradaya, a particular line of disciplic succession.
John Lennon: But what if one of these masters who's not in the line says exactly the same thing as one who is? What if he says his mantra is coming from the Vedas and he seems to speak with as much authority as you? He could probably be right. It's confusing like having too many fruits on a plate.
Srila Prabhupada: If the mantra is actually coming through a bona fide disciplic succession, then it will have potency.
John Lennon: But the Hare Krsna mantra is the best one?
Srila Prabhupada: You shouldn't go to just any spiritual master.
Who's a Genuine Guru?
John Lennon: Yes, we should go to a true master. But how are we to tell one from the other?
Srila Prabhupada: It is not that you can go to just any spiritual master. He must be a member of a recognized sampradaya, a particular line of disciplic succession.
John Lennon: But what if one of these masters who's not in the line says exactly the same thing as one who is? What if he says his mantra is coming from the Vedas and he seems to speak with as much authority as you? He could probably be right. It's confusing like having too many fruits on a plate.
Srila Prabhupada: If the mantra is actually coming through a bona fide disciplic succession, then it will have potency.
John Lennon: But the Hare Krsna mantra is the best one?
by the way, so I was at Bonnaroo in June, the music & arts festival, just trying to have a good time while hopefully learning a bit more about myself. there was this Hare Krishna disciple that came by our tent and wanted to share his insights. How in tune he is with the natural rhythms.. you could just feel it from him, it was really weird! Any way, he simply piqued my interest with his spirit, enough to warrant further sincere investigation. He then gave me four books written by A.C. Bhaktivedanta (for free! but I gave him $23 so I could help him keep going) and I've since then have stumbled down this path this summer. Right now I'm reading The Science of Self-Realization, and it is quite humbling to see that this sort of insight can result in such harmony with how medicine and science has explained things. The book is just a series of different, yet very explanatory interviews with A.C. Bhaktivedanta. Worth reading a couple of interviews at least, it's free here:
http://prabhupadabooks.com/ssr
"The Personality of Godhead may not be present before one's eyes, but if one is sincere in wanting such guidance the Lord will send a bona fide person who can guide one properly back home, back to Godhead."
July 28, 2013, 03:02:06 PM
Its official, bitcoin is now a religion.
July 28, 2013, 03:01:29 PM
July 28, 2013, 02:50:49 PM
he just wants more Blue Pills and to keep taking out his anger on other people
A Red Pill would ruin all of that ...
A Red Pill would ruin all of that ...
hehe
btw DMT and the matrix—wow. what a fun way to think of things. Not one study has proven love, but I see it all around me...
Ehh... plenty of studies actually.
We pretty much know every chemicals release it induces in the brain and their effects.
This is the scientific dilemma though. If you measure a chemical when you experience love (actually, your definition of it), is that love we are measuring? Is love physical, sexual, etc?
When they did Near Death Experience studies they found DMT was being released at that time. So, the light people saw was just induced by a chemical? Yeah, correlation = effect. Chicken or egg? eheheheh I doubt it is that simple. Or, did the chemical open something, like a key opens the door. After all we are bio-chemical beings, but don't forget a whole lot more. Not to jump to another topic, but it is closely related. The studies over the last few years they have done with DMT (and psychedelics also) have scared the shit out of some scientists.
This is beyond science at this point in time and probably for a whole lot longer.
I study neuroscience because these sorts of things are very interesting to me. I would study psychology as a major, but I know I moreso need that basis in neuroscience to work from. I also study economics because that is how people interact at this level. we all (life) have basal tendencies at a biological level, what are they and why? why are there trace amounts of DMT in living plants and animals? Why have they become such a big part of shamanistic rituals? I really don't know yet, but I think back to how we were before society shaped who we are as civilized folk. What were we like when we were still animals? how have we changed as a result? what is up with spiritualism and dreams and visions? are they simply hallucinations?
do we become what we believe?
crick's paper on consciousness really made me think about our origins.
http://papers.klab.caltech.edu/29/1/438.pdf
what exactly are self-fulfilling prophecies? The paper at least has showed me as much that we are what we believe. what is the neurological basis of hallucinations? as far as I know, dimethyltryptamine provides the mechanism that allows us to visualize and recreate a reality with our eyes closed. It is very necessary in recapitulation of events for the conscious mind to resolve problems. my own experience with the drug has shown me as much as that, except I did not have to be asleep. why, why does this particular molecule exist in most living entities? I don't know, yet, I've only a glimpse. that glimpse though....I really was in a different dimension, being a part of a vividly descriptive higher-living nexus of sorts. Why did I see this particular hallucination? I used to be atheist by the way, quite the objectivist. I am now getting in tune with my spiritual side, the same sort of spirit that runs through animals naturally. This sort of spiritual perspective is for the most part very well corroborated by eastern philosophy, which is quite isolated from the philosophies of the Americas as well. Why?
I plan on traveling to Venezuela with my pledge brother to visit La Gran Sabana where shamanism is rooted to understand its history. Then I plan on using the skills neuroscience provides me to analyze all this, if possible. It is all very, very peculiar, and it's definitely piqued my interest. At the very least, I know science has not explored these things enough.
I personally still prefer the scientific approach: Prove astrology wrong based on facts, less on opinions.
The rules to make horoscopes are profoundly based on astronomical facts, thus rarely disputable.
The astrological interpretation is well described, although heavily disputed.
Thus I cosider this a pretty interesting experiment.
The moon issue:
As much as I could google the moon is responsible for the emotional perception.
How do we get that into bitcoins? ... uhm ... do we need to?
Another point is puzzling me: What is bitcoins birth? The gensis block? If yes, why?
Can we transfer the experience with humans that simply on things, especially such virtual, barely ungraspable things?
The rules to make horoscopes are profoundly based on astronomical facts, thus rarely disputable.
The astrological interpretation is well described, although heavily disputed.
Thus I cosider this a pretty interesting experiment.
The moon issue:
As much as I could google the moon is responsible for the emotional perception.
How do we get that into bitcoins? ... uhm ... do we need to?
Another point is puzzling me: What is bitcoins birth? The gensis block? If yes, why?
Can we transfer the experience with humans that simply on things, especially such virtual, barely ungraspable things?
Bitcoin is an instantiation of a new, higher dimensional form of life. These newly emergent life forms are studied via the "science" of economics, which basically represents relationships (giving and taking, supply and demand) between lower dimensional life forms. It forms a sort of global neural network that is presently an infant, but when it grows up... hoo boy
July 28, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Debating stuff is kind of fun and mind opening. But can you please stop the personal attacks and insults.
It really makes wanting to talk with you difficult.
Whether or not you agree with what others say, it is no reason to degrade and belittle others opinions.
I offered some help to you, just my perspective and you attack it non stop.
Regarding the price of 100-300 bucks, I meant to get a reputable astrologer. Sometimes more $$ isn't better, that is why you should
get a recommendation and not just focus on price (low or high).
Good luck to you, sincerely,
IAS
What is a reputable astrolger? Can you explain that to me?
Well, since you don't "believe" in astrology, I'd recommend you speak to someone who does. Ask that person if they know of any good or great astrologers.
To try to find one on your own is really hit or miss. Yes, there are some fakes out there, or rather some poor astrologers and word of mouth I would trust more than an ad.
July 28, 2013, 02:41:16 PM
That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Debating stuff is kind of fun and mind opening. But can you please stop the personal attacks and insults.
It really makes wanting to talk with you difficult.
Whether or not you agree with what others say, it is no reason to degrade and belittle others opinions.
I offered some help to you, just my perspective and you attack it non stop.
Regarding the price of 100-300 bucks, I meant to get a reputable astrologer. Sometimes more $$ isn't better, that is why you should
get a recommendation and not just focus on price (low or high).
Good luck to you, sincerely,
IAS
What is a reputable astrologer? Can you explain that to me?
July 28, 2013, 02:35:59 PM
Is the water boiling yet? Yeesh.
July 28, 2013, 02:18:23 PM
Not so boring week for Mount Gox order book
(B/A ratio = bids sum over asks sum)
(B/A ratio = bids sum over asks sum)
July 28, 2013, 02:07:22 PM
That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Debating stuff is kind of fun and mind opening. But can you please stop the personal attacks and insults.
It really makes wanting to talk with you difficult.
Whether or not you agree with what others say, it is no reason to degrade and belittle others opinions.
I offered some help to you, just my perspective and you attack it non stop.
Regarding the price of 100-300 bucks, I meant to get a reputable astrologer. Sometimes more $$ isn't better, that is why you should
get a recommendation and not just focus on price (low or high).
Good luck to you, sincerely,
IAS
July 28, 2013, 02:05:59 PM
A discussion about astrology wouldn't be complete without Carl Sagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iunr4B4wfDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iunr4B4wfDA
July 28, 2013, 02:04:01 PM
That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.
what's your criteria for proof? I really don't think you can test esotericism on an empirical level. can you prove there is, or more importantly, isn't a god? same idea.
July 28, 2013, 02:01:21 PM
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