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legendary
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No. But only foolish people who care so little about money not to do a basic level of research will fall into this. If someone is careless enough to simply assume that extending trust is meaningless, without doing a modicum of research, he shouldn't be using Ripple. My advice to newbies: if you aren't willing to learn about Ripple, don't use it. Same goes for bitcoin -- lots of lost coins out there due to very careless people.

You should only trust an established business. If you want to trust your friend, just like IRL, he may never pay you back. I don't understand this idea that people need to trust everyone they know. That's just part of a marketing scheme to make Ripple more relevant to the average user. If my friends or family needed money, we'd figure out a way to get it to them. I don't need to extend trust to every single person (so that I never know whether or not my funds are liquid). If someone needs BTC, I can get them where they need to go easily and without any risk via Ripple.

I would agree insofar that people will make mistakes and get burned. Just like with everything else.

But that's just it.  Ripple is being marketed as a social network not a trusted exchange backbone system.
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I didn't realize this was the ripple thread. Excuse me while I go look for the MtGox thread. Roll Eyes
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Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.

Bad idea, why? Do tell. If, like most detractors, you base this on the debt/trust system's potential for collapse, you should probably stay away from bitcoin exchanges as well.

So trusting a registered, established business is just as risky as trusting someone you don't know anything about who happens to be a friend of a friend of a friend?
No. But only foolish people who care so little about money not to do a basic level of research will fall into this. If someone is careless enough to simply assume that extending trust is meaningless, without doing a modicum of research, he shouldn't be using Ripple. My advice to newbies: if you aren't willing to learn about Ripple, don't use it. Same goes for bitcoin -- lots of lost coins out there due to very careless people.

You should only trust an established business. If you want to trust your friend, just like IRL, he may never pay you back. I don't understand this idea that people need to trust everyone they know. That's just part of a marketing scheme to make Ripple more relevant to the average user. If my friends or family needed money, we'd figure out a way to get it to them. I don't need to extend trust to every single person (so that I never know whether or not my funds are liquid). If someone needs BTC, I can get them where they need to go easily and without any risk via Ripple.

I would agree insofar that people will make mistakes and get burned. Just like with everything else.
legendary
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I really wish transfer between BTCe and Gox was easier.

Never though I would say this, but I really wish somebody could create Pegcoin, all the advantages of instant, decentralized transfer of bitcoin, but pegged to fiat currency value.  Obviously I prefer something with a limited supply like bitcoin, but for now it would certainly make arbitraging a lot easier...  Probably not a viable idea to implement though (not to mention the legal issues).

There's no way to peg a virtual currency to a fiat currency without a central "bank".  It defeats the whole purpose of a cryptocurrency, and it would require a central authority with a lot of money to keep the price pegged.

Makes no sense / not reasonably possible.

Shut up! No one wants logic and reason here. This place is for speculation. lol
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I really wish transfer between BTCe and Gox was easier.

Never though I would say this, but I really wish somebody could create Pegcoin, all the advantages of instant, decentralized transfer of bitcoin, but pegged to fiat currency value.  Obviously I prefer something with a limited supply like bitcoin, but for now it would certainly make arbitraging a lot easier...  Probably not a viable idea to implement though (not to mention the legal issues).

There's no way to peg a virtual currency to a fiat currency without a central "bank".  It defeats the whole purpose of a cryptocurrency, and it would require a central authority with a lot of money to keep the price pegged.

Makes no sense / not reasonably possible.
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So trusting a registered, established business is just as risky as trusting someone you don't know anything about who happens to be a friend of a friend of a friend?

Heck, even your best friend may not be a good person to trust compared to a well established business. Family is typically even worse. A well established business depends on reputation to continue trading. Your brother? He'll always be your brother.
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Bad idea, why? Do tell. If, like most detractors, you base this on the debt/trust system's potential for collapse, you should probably stay away from bitcoin exchanges as well.

Possibly not a bad idea. I certainly found out that leaving funds in an exchange can be less than ideal. But I think Tradefortress has adequately exposed the issues with Ripple. It's a debt based system that relies on trusting people to a degree that's not really safe.
legendary
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Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.

Bad idea, why? Do tell. If, like most detractors, you base this on the debt/trust system's potential for collapse, you should probably stay away from bitcoin exchanges as well.

So trusting a registered, established business is just as risky as trusting someone you don't know anything about who happens to be a friend of a friend of a friend?
hero member
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Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.

Bad idea, why? Do tell. If, like most detractors, you base this on the debt/trust system's potential for collapse, you should probably stay away from bitcoin exchanges as well.
legendary
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I take it you sold your ripples early? Sour Grapes?

No. I'm keeping hold of them. Right now, they're not worth much and there's a reasonable possibility that I'm wrong.

Who knows, they might even be worth quite a lot before they implode.
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I really wish transfer between BTCe and Gox was easier.

Never though I would say this, but I really wish somebody could create Pegcoin, all the advantages of instant, decentralized transfer of bitcoin, but pegged to fiat currency value.  Obviously I prefer something with a limited supply like bitcoin, but for now it would certainly make arbitraging a lot easier...  Probably not a viable idea to implement though (not to mention the legal issues).


Ripple?

I haven't really looked into Ripple decently, but isn't it a lending system? 
Not really. Money is held by ripple gateways in the same way that money is held by bitcoin exchanges. So when you send Bitstamp $1000 and move it to your Ripple wallet, they "owe" you $1000 the same way they'd owe you if you kept in on Bitstamp.

Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

I dont care if people use ripple or not.. 
aslong as bitcoin exchanges use it. i'm happy..

Arbitrage the shit  out of it Smiley
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Bter is back up (not that I use it), BTC-e and Vicurex are both still down
legendary
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Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.

I take it you sold your ripples early? Sour Grapes?
legendary
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BTC-e, Bter and Vicurex are all still down

What's going on, DDoS?

I don't know, it wouldn't surprise me.  LTC gains value due to the Gox news of it being included soon, suddenly the alt-currency exchanges are all under attack - but from who?  (US government or banks? (same thing)).  It seems very unlikely that they'd all have system failures simultaneously.  Who stands to gain from this?

Traders who want to shake confidence.
sr. member
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This account was recently hacked
BTC-e, Bter and Vicurex are all still down

What's going on, DDoS?

I don't know, it wouldn't surprise me.  LTC gains value due to the Gox news of it being included soon, suddenly the alt-currency exchanges are all under attack - but from who?  (US government or banks? (same thing)).  It seems very unlikely that they'd all have system failures simultaneously.  Who stands to gain from this?
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BTC-e, Bter and Vicurex are all still down

What's going on, DDoS?
sr. member
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This account was recently hacked
BTC-e, Bter and Vicurex are all still down
legendary
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Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.

What would prevent the US govt. from assimilating Ripple to a Central bank issuing its own currency/money?
I fail to comprehend how Ripple would be immune to such charges by authorities!
legendary
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Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.
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