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I'm no gangsta, I just don't think BTC was started to provide VC's with a new way of getting rich. I don't agree that adoption needs VC input - it works because it works - that can be it's strength in exactly the same way that Linux didn't need VC input to thrive and survive. You want corporate money? Go Ripple.

Although I think Ripple will fail, It makes BTC stronger. more adoption Wink
Who do think developed linux? without VC we would be missing out on some nice stuff as they heavily invested in it to make further development possible.

I have no problem with you flaming at me but please think before making stupid statements. And no I don't want to go in a discussion regarding linux
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Me personally - I want BTC to "work" and I don't want it to lose me money.  That's it. Obviously this is a speculation thread so most people want to make gains, but not necessarily at the cost of the little people, "bait" as you so tactfully put it.  I think a lot of people on here are hoping that we can make gains at the cost of the Big People.  That's the point.

He's obviously not a native English speaker. Cut him some slack you stupid fuck. And snip your damn posts so I don't have to scroll for ten seconds every time I need to school your ignorant ass.

well somebody's a vulgarian here for sure. Cheesy
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Sure - but BTC wasn't created so that Big Fish with lots of money could have a better life.  I couldn't give a fuck about VC or CEO interest.


Alright, gangsta. You're missing the point. Venture capitalists are the people that have and are going to continue to invest in startup companies centered around the use of Bitcoin. This means, new exchanges (hopefully better than Mt. Gox), companies that make it easy for the computer illiterate to purchase bitcoin, easier ways to pay for things with BTC, etc... If you buy BTC you definitely should give a fuck about VC interest. Not sure what you mean about CEO interest though. VC interest will provide the infrastructure for bitcoin to gain widespread adoption and use. This helps their value.

I'm no gangsta, I just don't think BTC was started to provide VC's with a new way of getting rich. I don't agree that adoption needs VC input - it works because it works - that can be it's strength in exactly the same way that Linux didn't need VC input to thrive and survive. You want corporate money? Go Ripple.
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... we need the small fish as bait.

Not quite selling it to me there...

Inorder for a VC to adopt BTC, they must have a reason. Now the incentive is not that big.
If 'everyone' accepts BTC then VC will follow. We need a broader audience.
However the reverse is also true. if VC accept BTC then the small fish will follow as well.
For me it's not doable to convince large VC to use BTC I don't know the right CEO's however small/medium businesses are a lot easier to convince/approach. creating a bigger user base.  

Sure - but BTC wasn't created so that Big Fish with lots of money could have a better life.  I couldn't give a fuck about VC or CEO interest.

Neither was it created specifically to improve YOURS. However wider adoption is good for BTC = good for me. VC's money is as good as any ones.
Unless your saying you don't want your coins having high value that makes your life easier, I don't understand. Market cap increase is 'up,up,up' VC's have big money and that helps all of us.

Me personally - I want BTC to "work" and I don't want it to lose me money.  That's it. Obviously this is a speculation thread so most people want to make gains, but not necessarily at the cost of the little people, "bait" as you so tactfully put it.  I think a lot of people on here are hoping that we can make gains at the cost of the Big People.  That's the point.

If the VC take the bait we all gain Wink
all the small people profit from VC's interest and (market) power/cap
It will increase their business as adoption increases due to VC power.
How many people buy at Amazon? how many people buy Jils hobby bracelets?
Who do you think will help adoption on a global scale?

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You don't have to worry about the 'big people' they are big for a reason... they can take care of their own and have the means to ensure success (market making devisions and so)
Small people profit from VC's efforts
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Indeed. TA cannot account for unexpected news until after the fact. That is the risk for me when I stay in fiat.

I wouldn't want to be all in fiat at this point. Since you're trading I would go for 50/50. It can go either way.
maybe we'll see 180 in 12 days like someone said maybe we'll be at 60-80.  with low volume like this one (whale) can push the market either way regardless of sentiment. No TA needed... just math.
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... we need the small fish as bait.

Not quite selling it to me there...

Inorder for a VC to adopt BTC, they must have a reason. Now the incentive is not that big.
If 'everyone' accepts BTC then VC will follow. We need a broader audience.
However the reverse is also true. if VC accept BTC then the small fish will follow as well.
For me it's not doable to convince large VC to use BTC I don't know the right CEO's however small/medium businesses are a lot easier to convince/approach. creating a bigger user base.  

Sure - but BTC wasn't created so that Big Fish with lots of money could have a better life.  I couldn't give a fuck about VC or CEO interest.

Neither was it created specifically to improve YOURS. However wider adoption is good for BTC = good for me. VC's money is as good as any ones.
Unless your saying you don't want your coins having high value that makes your life easier, I don't understand. Market cap increase is 'up,up,up' VC's have big money and that helps all of us.

Me personally - I want BTC to "work" and I don't want it to lose me money.  That's it. Obviously this is a speculation thread so most people want to make gains, but not necessarily at the cost of the little people, "bait" as you so tactfully put it.  I think a lot of people on here are hoping that we can make gains at the cost of the Big People.  That's the point.
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TA cannot account for unexpected news until after the fact. That is the risk for me when I stay in fiat.

Agreed, but news can be good or bad. The value then lies in seeing how the market reacts to the news. Does it rally on good news and then fall back ? Does it collapse on bad news ? This is all good information and the chart tells the story.
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Like I said I don't dismiss it. It's just SOME charts I see coming by are complete nonsens. And I'm no expert

Couldn't agree more ... reversal to arbitrarily drawn log trend line and that kind of stuff. Washes straight over me, but at the same time gives an insight into how some other market participants are viewing things - dangerous to ignore.

And I'm no expert either Wink
 


That's why I look at them Wink doesn't mean I don't know their full of it
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... we need the small fish as bait.

Not quite selling it to me there...

Inorder for a VC to adopt BTC, they must have a reason. Now the incentive is not that big.
If 'everyone' accepts BTC then VC will follow. We need a broader audience.
However the reverse is also true. if VC accept BTC then the small fish will follow as well.
For me it's not doable to convince large VC to use BTC I don't know the right CEO's however small/medium businesses are a lot easier to convince/approach. creating a bigger user base.  

Sure - but BTC wasn't created so that Big Fish with lots of money could have a better life.  I couldn't give a fuck about VC or CEO interest.

Neither was it created specifically to improve YOURS. However wider adoption is good for BTC = good for me. VC's money is as good as any ones.
Unless your saying you don't want your coins having high value that makes your life easier, I don't understand. Market cap increase is 'up,up,up' VC's have big money and that helps all of us.
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So does "the Bear is pushing the Bull down to the bottom of the hill because he's got a poorly leg" count as TA?

I thought he was about to push him off a cliff  Grin

Nope - take him gently to the bottom of the cliff so he can get his strength back for the charge upward.  Up! Up! Up!
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Like I said I don't dismiss it. It's just SOME charts I see coming by are complete nonsens. And I'm no expert

Couldn't agree more ... reversal to arbitrarily drawn log trend line and that kind of stuff. Washes straight over me, but at the same time gives an insight into how some other market participants are viewing things - dangerous to ignore.

And I'm no expert either Wink
 
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How many of you have heard of the price manipulation caused by this guy this weekend?
https://twitter.com/fontase

no one?

what did he do?
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... we need the small fish as bait.

Not quite selling it to me there...

Inorder for a VC to adopt BTC, they must have a reason. Now the incentive is not that big.
If 'everyone' accepts BTC then VC will follow. We need a broader audience.
However the reverse is also true. if VC accept BTC then the small fish will follow as well.
For me it's not doable to convince large VC to use BTC I don't know the right CEO's however small/medium businesses are a lot easier to convince/approach. creating a bigger user base.  

Sure - but BTC wasn't created so that Big Fish with lots of money could have a better life.  I couldn't give a fuck about VC or CEO interest.
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Funny thing is, many of the people who deride TA here will quite happily make statements such as
'sideways consolidation usually leads to a breakout and rally in Bitcoin as people realise its not going to go down and buy in'
or 'it's coiling up like a spring and the pressure is building'
or 'there's no volume ... I don't trust it'

That is TA  Cheesy

Just expressed in a slightly different language ...
Or to put it another way, that is the emotion behind the price action that forms the patterns that we see repeat again and again on different levels

EDIT : Just seen what you posted 10c ... I agree. The greatest danger is to stick to only one way of viewing things and to close your mind to all others



Like I said I don't dismiss it. It's just SOME charts I see coming by are complete nonsens. And I'm no expert
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So does "the Bear is pushing the Bull down to the bottom of the hill because he's got a poorly leg" count as TA?

I thought he was about to push him off a cliff  Grin
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... we need the small fish as bait.

Not quite selling it to me there...

Inorder for a VC to adopt BTC, they must have a reason. Now the incentive is not that big.
If 'everyone' accepts BTC then VC will follow. We need a broader audience.
However the reverse is also true. if VC accept BTC then the small fish will follow as well.
For me it's not doable to convince large VC to use BTC I don't know the right CEO's however small/medium businesses are a lot easier to convince/approach. creating a bigger user base.  
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Funny thing is, many of the people who deride TA here will quite happily make statements such as
'sideways consolidation usually leads to a breakout and rally in Bitcoin as people realise its not going to go down and buy in'
or 'it's coiling up like a spring and the pressure is building'
or 'there's no volume ... I don't trust it'

That is TA  Cheesy

Just expressed in a slightly different language ...
Or to put it another way, that is the emotion behind the price action that forms the patterns that we see repeat again and again on different levels

So does "the Bear is pushing the Bull down to the bottom of the hill because he's got a poorly leg" count as TA?
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Funny thing is, many of the people who deride TA here will quite happily make statements such as
'sideways consolidation usually leads to a breakout and rally in Bitcoin as people realise its not going to go down and buy in'
or 'it's coiling up like a spring and the pressure is building'
or 'there's no volume ... I don't trust it'

That is TA  Cheesy

Just expressed in a slightly different language ...
Or to put it another way, that is the emotion behind the price action that forms the patterns that we see repeat again and again on different levels

EDIT : Just seen what you posted 10c ... I agree. The greatest danger is to stick to only one way of viewing things and to close your mind to all others

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Funny how perma bulls turn bear isn't it?
Do you have any interesting theory as to why we won't go below that?
Some nice TA or other stuff?
Even though I don't always agree with it I like to learn from you guys and find it interesting.
I also don't quite understand how conventional TA is applied to BTC.
Mainly because this is a relatively new market and most people factor out the continuously changing parameters and circumstances which you don't have in 'old' markets.
 


As BTC started to go hyperbolic, Businessinsider.com was posting daily updates of its price. They also posted about its crash. Businessinsider, I would imagine, gets a lot of its web traffic from people in the business/finance world. The kind of people that love making money and invest/trade in equities. The founder of the site, Henry Blodget, used to be an equity research analyst on Wall Street during the tech bubble era many years ago. He even wrote an article about Bitcoin saying how a $1000 price target may happen one day and it may be worth the risk to invest.

My point is, a lot of speculators may have been exposed to Bitcoin for the first time by reading these articles on BI. I'm sure a lot of these speculators also use TA. As more and more people apply TA to BTC, TA will become more practical. It is kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy as people have said.



Don't get me wrong; I don't dismiss TA as not being valuable. I just think that it clouds your vision if you factor out important parameters (not always known at this point). Some just factor stuff out because it doen't suit their view.
My father used to say: accurate predictions are difficult, especially when they involve the future.
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As BTC started to go hyperbolic, Businessinsider.com was posting daily updates of its price. They also posted about its crash. Businessinsider, I would imagine, gets a lot of its web traffic from people in the business/finance world. The kind of people that love making money and invest/trade in equities. The founder of the site, Henry Blodget, used to be an equity research analyst on Wall Street during the tech bubble era many years ago. He even wrote an article about Bitcoin saying how a $1000 price target may happen one day and it may be worth the risk to invest.

My point is, a lot of speculators may have been exposed to Bitcoin for the first time by reading these articles on BI. I'm sure a lot of these speculators also use TA. As more and more people apply TA to BTC, TA will become more practical. It is kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy as people have said.

How big is BusinessInsider? IIRC, they are pretty damn fringe. I remember reading a lot of them back when I was an agorist a few years ago. The same people who I'd see posting BI articles were posting shit from Alex Jones, etc..... not really the finance crowd. More so the fringe anti-government crowd (more or less the niche that bitcoin already occupies). Obviously this is just anecdotal, though.

I also don't quite understand how conventional TA is applied to BTC.
Mainly because this is a relatively new market and most people factor out the continuously changing parameters and circumstances which you don't have in 'old' markets.

Can you elaborate as to how this would negate the effects of TA? Being a relatively new market does not mean that price movement cannot be analyzed. On the contrary, we are constantly seeing familiar retracements in the BTC market.
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