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 However in this instance I think we could see negative repercussions of the Dwolla/mtgox episode rumble on for some time yet.

Its clear that the dwolla mtgox episode will affect the market for some time, but I'm curious what makes you think it will be negative? In the short term, I believe it will push the price up and in the long term provide a new price discovery mechanism (at the moment unknown what exactly that will be) along with much needed diversity on the exchanges.


mtgoxUSD        0.11919918   5,092,881
bitstampUSD     0.11399        774,256
btceUSD         0.109          542,282
cbxUSD          0.10955        124,859

 
These are the bid prices with volumes.

As dominant as the mtgox market is whilst people used to being able to use Dwolla to get USD in and out can only move money from mtgox in Bitcoin I'm not looking at the current mtgox price as reflective of current supply & demand.  I know this thread is about the mtgox walls but the excitement in the last page or so about price 'breakouts' etc. whilst the other exchanges are nowhere near seems short sighted.  I'm simply not trusting the price to give me an impression of sentiment.

One of the service providers was talking about the long process of getting both their bitcoin and dollars out of mtgox and with things as they are it is obvious that arbitrage is simply not happening.  Of course money off of gox trading by other exchanges or otc etc. is good but for now I don't believe we have an operational 'price discovery mechanism' so I don't know what the price 'should be'.  My algorithm, that used by bitpay and mine all come to quite different figures at the moment.

All I'm suggesting is that we don't get carried away by the fact gox is going up right now.  The movement might not be telling you what you think it is!
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meanwhile on bitstamp I doubt we're going about 115 for a long time

Yeah we need more buyers on bitstamp.. where are the arbitrage bots when you need them? Tongue

Hmm just as I say this people wake up and start buying like crazy on bitstamp, up to $114.64 now.
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Bulls and Bears getting ready on the Battlefield. YES !!!
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120.10000     33.58015687
120.00000   4523.48032917
119.90000    960.47309392
119.70000      1.34000000
119.50000      1.42000000
119.30000      2.84000000
119.20000      2.84000000
118.42152      0.01020000

118.42148      0.01020000
118.40000      7.17892444
118.30000     12.06478520
118.20000     60.85295335
118.10000    148.13102728
118.00000    259.70505141
117.90000      3.12040290
117.80000     13.42360000
117.70000    415.29827963

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looks like people are panic buying back in now the price is on the way up... Smiley

I don't see any panic. People have been buying in steadily since the price was about $115.

I suspect the panic buying will really start after we break $120/$121+

I just wonder if it will have enough momentum to push through $125. If it does then we're going to be in for a wild ride, again.
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looks like people are panic buying back in now the price is on the way up... Smiley
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meanwhile on bitstamp I doubt we're going about 115 for a long time

Yeah we need more buyers on bitstamp.. where are the arbitrage bots when you need them? Tongue
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The Market Depth is jumping up nice again on MtGox. Yesterday was a great day in that respect and the jump to today is likewise good.
Yes, big if regarding manipulation, but just to put the numbers out there.

Bids at $70 are up another 15k to 145k. Highest this month. Also, buy side at $5 and $15 are climbing up.
Asks at $120 are down another 12k to 120k. Lowest this month.

100k sells are at $220. Highest level since end of April.
50k and 100k buy levels are highest in a month as well.

Manipulation to explode up or a real sign?
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"

meanwhile on bitstamp I doubt we're going about 115 for a long time
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I think the 120 wall gets bought for sure. Market sentiment is very different than it was pre-Dwolla drama where resistance resisted. The real test for the last 3 weeks is 125.
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Stephen Reed
I'm a little confused by the above chart. I can clearly see sell orders for 3377 BTC between $118.00 and $118.99999 on Clark Moody but nothing shows up on your chart in that area.

What does it represent ?

Its a depth chart. Its the same data that clarkmoody would show if clarkmoody would work correctly. I would not rely on clarkmoody at all for trading, it is extremely buggy and shows orders where there are no orders anymore, sometimes you even see asks lower than the highest bid and bids higher than the lowest ask.

Clark Moody does a great job, however the Mt.Gox data feed has numerous problems that you describe. Chiefly the Mt.Gox data feed is not always consistent with regard to depth and trades.
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Stephen Reed
The sustained rally, having broken through the resistance at $116, is now facing resistance at $120 and beyond that $125.

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I'm a little confused by the above chart. I can clearly see sell orders for 3377 BTC between $118.00 and $118.99999 on Clark Moody but nothing shows up on your chart in that area.

What does it represent ?

Its a depth chart. Its the same data that clarkmoody would show if clarkmoody would work correctly. I would not rely on clarkmoody at all for trading, it is extremely buggy and shows orders where there are no orders anymore, sometimes you even see asks lower than the highest bid and bids higher than the lowest ask.
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"Don't go in the trollbox, trollbox, trollbox"
I'm thinking $120 is this kind of wall:

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Feels like someone buying all he can get "cheap", then letting the price settle again for a while.
Would make sense, if you have enough reserves to produce a "real" uptrend afterwards

Yes, buying a few thousand  'cheap' right off the orderbook will leave a void that can be filled with other asks. Then he can buy cheap again within the same price range.

It's risky as someone else could jump in with a big buy and raise the price by several $ but maybe this same guy owns a sizeable chunk of the walls around $119-$120 to keep the price down while he's buying.

It's hard to second guess these strategies but I have no doubt someone's proceeding with their plan here.
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Well, with the last market buy I did at $116ish a few ours ago I'm now 90% in.

So.... Go bulls, go! Smiley
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