Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 33712. (Read 26712937 times)
May 16, 2013, 08:24:49 AM
And... another isolation for US citizens:
May 16, 2013, 08:23:15 AM
Satoshi Dice has announced that it's blocking U.S. IP addresses from accessing the site:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2164694
Lot's of red over at MPEX http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2164694
Lot's of red over at MPEX http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
LOL, the thing is with Satoshi Dice once you know the Bitcoin deposit addresses the actual website is irrelevant. It only exists to advertise the deposit addresses.
Anyone anywhere in the world can still send Bitcoin to Satoshi Dice regardless of whether the systems website is blocked to their ISP.
Or am I missing something here ?
May 16, 2013, 08:22:07 AM
Satoshi Dice has announced that it's blocking U.S. IP addresses from accessing the site:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2164694
Lot's of red over at MPEX http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2164694
Lot's of red over at MPEX http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
Yup, the United States is getting ready to be isolated completely, just like what happened with poker. You don't have to kill the sites, you just have to block the flow of money. The people at Satoshi Dice were wise to take the advice of "legal counsel" and not the advice of the internets ideological "elite". Seems the love of money does trump hardcore principles after all. Hmmm....imagine that.
May 16, 2013, 08:13:35 AM
Satoshi Dice has announced that it's blocking U.S. IP addresses from accessing the site:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2164694
Lot's of red over at MPEX http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2164694
Lot's of red over at MPEX http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
May 16, 2013, 08:02:32 AM
May 16, 2013, 08:01:05 AM
Please stop quoting Coinseeker.
Yes please, I ignored him but I still get to see his fear mongering crap because of people quoting him.
May 16, 2013, 07:55:35 AM
Please stop quoting Coinseeker.
May 16, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
You're new here, aren't you? Welcome to bitcoin. This is nothing. :-)
Thank you. Cheers!
May 16, 2013, 07:36:42 AM
You overestimate the negative sentiment the masses have on financial institutions and governments. Yes, everybody complains but most are content with what they have. It's certainly not so drastic that people will go through the incredibly difficult processes of setting up wallets, getting money into the system, buying BTC and then finding a way to spend them, which we know are far and few between.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
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Bitcoin is like torrent. Money is like Napster. Do I have to hold your hand with these basic observations. Again, this is why I see you as being manipulative. Your ability to communicate and what you say are at two different levels. It is easy to dissect your purpose here. I'm just making it easier for others to see what you are.
What am I? Honest? Opinionated? In tune with the masses? "Oh no, everyone grab a rock and let the stoning begin."
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Overall, you are one of the most negative and fearful posters on this board. I see nothing in the way of an open mind. So, I imagine all of this is a challenge to your reality set. It sounds like being correct is more important to you than helping life to continue here on Earth. Being right is more important than taking a chance and making a statement. Sitting there watching everyone dance while you remain in shackles must be tough. But it's never too late to get up. Maybe we can't dance well, but we are trying. We are going forward, with or without you.
Dream, take a chance, do what is right, get away from the darkness and fear.
IAS
Dream, take a chance, do what is right, get away from the darkness and fear.
IAS
No, I live in the real world. I understand the mainstream. Bitcoin diehards want mainstream appeal without catering to the mainstream. It makes no sense. Sorry. It's never going to happen. My only goal is to speak my opinions. Why my mere words continue to grip you with such fear, can only lead me to believe that you're afraid people will reject this cult pamphlet you have typed up. Well, diehards will never listen to me so you're ok there. They are ideological, just like you. They can't hear anything outside of the "cult code". You have the right to your opinion and I respect that. I just disagree....as does the majority of the mainstream. And this is all just another reason, mainstream remains turned off.
May 16, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
You overestimate the negative sentiment the masses have on financial institutions and governments. Yes, everybody complains but most are content with what they have. It's certainly not so drastic that people will go through the incredibly difficult processes of setting up wallets, getting money into the system, buying BTC and then finding a way to spend them, which we know are far and few between.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
You're new here, aren't you? Welcome to bitcoin. This is nothing. :-)
May 16, 2013, 07:22:56 AM
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on the image issue, I think you are right to a degree, but images can change very quickly. Also if you look at fiat money for a minute, do people not use money because it's "got an image problem"? Because people use it to buy drugs?
on the image issue, I think you are right to a degree, but images can change very quickly. Also if you look at fiat money for a minute, do people not use money because it's "got an image problem"? Because people use it to buy drugs?
If the only notable players in the fiat economy were drug dealers, currency speculators, and exchanges offering to convert fiat into the kind of money people use to buy ... food & shelter, then yeah, people would be pretty ashamed to use fiat.
May 16, 2013, 07:17:33 AM
Fairly stable again.
May 16, 2013, 07:03:40 AM
Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle.
You've been here 3 weeks. Yesterday you informed us Bitcoin was illegal in almost every country. You've stopped quoting the Coinage Act of 1965? There's a reason your wife only let you buy 1.5 BTC, you're autistic and prone to wild flights of fancy.
You think this bump in the road is bad? Of course you do, you've been here 3 weeks. This was nothing.
My favorite Bitcoin growing pain was back in 2011 when Something Awful hacked the forum and trolled us with CosbyCoin. I suggest you slow down a little, stop educating us on how Bitcoin, Bitcoin PR, legal system, and life in general work. Take some notes, you'll learn a few things. Get back to us in a few months.
May 16, 2013, 07:00:25 AM
You overestimate the negative sentiment the masses have on financial institutions and governments. Yes, everybody complains but most are content with what they have. It's certainly not so drastic that people will go through the incredibly difficult processes of setting up wallets, getting money into the system, buying BTC and then finding a way to spend them, which we know are far and few between.
Most are not content. How could you ever make a statement like that? We are in the top 5% or so of the world, right? I mean just being here and on a computer. And many of us, if not most, see the disparity of wealth. I'm afraid you are missing the point of BTC. You often speak of it in terms of "investing". It is a movement. It is a symbol. It is a statement. It may flop, but the seed has been planted and that is in part, why I "donate" to the cause. There is no failing in setting precident. This isn't about making money. It is about making change.
Remember in the days of AOL CD's all over the place? I was an IT guy back then and thought "Who the heck needs help setting up an account? What a joke? It is easy!" But see, we are the techy's (here). We are the leaders/early followers. We are just laying the foundation. We are analagously in the stage of going from a command line internet search (our clunky wallets) and going to Netscape Navigator (nice and easy to use wallets). Don't lose sight of the forest by staring at the tree too closely.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Wars with words has been "their" norm. The "War on Drugs", "War on Terror", etc. But, we are collectively waking up. Associate all you like. We are waking up. It comes down to prosectution and laws and as you can see, they are trying to pull an Al Capone on us. They can't catch us, not legally anyway, so they are going for the regulations. But, most exchanges will follow regulations. VC's will start new ones that will. It will be a huge snowball effect. They are just helping us to be legit.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
Bitcoin is like torrent. Money is like Napster. Do I have to hold your hand with these basic observations. Again, this is why I see you as being manipulative. Your ability to communicate and what you say are at two different levels. It is easy to dissect your purpose here. I'm just making it easier for others to see what you are. Overall, you are one of the most negative and fearful posters on this board. I see nothing in the way of an open mind. So, I imagine all of this is a challenge to your reality set. It sounds like being correct is more important to you than helping life to continue here on Earth. Being right is more important than taking a chance and making a statement. Sitting there watching everyone dance while you remain in shackles must be tough. But it's never too late to get up. Maybe we can't dance well, but we are trying. We are going forward, with or without you.
Dream, take a chance, do what is right, get away from the darkness and fear.
IAS
May 16, 2013, 06:58:41 AM
Incredibly tidy support at $114.00!
Tidy is a great word to describe that. Wow!
May 16, 2013, 06:54:03 AM
Another noob question: Why is Mt.Gox<->BTC-e price difference so great? Obviously something's making arbitrage unprofitable, but what?
From what I have read the arbitragers were using dwolla to transfer between MtGox and BTC-e
They were using BitInstant until recently BitInstant has temporarily halted transfers to BTC-e.
May 16, 2013, 06:51:49 AM
You overestimate the negative sentiment the masses have on financial institutions and governments. Yes, everybody complains but most are content with what they have. It's certainly not so drastic that people will go through the incredibly difficult processes of setting up wallets, getting money into the system, buying BTC and then finding a way to spend them, which we know are far and few between.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
am I right in saying ripple has yet to prove itself in the wild?
Bitcoin on the other hand has a wealth of developers and investments right now working on developing the infrastructure, and the decentralised nature is inherently very important.
on the image issue, I think you are right to a degree, but images can change very quickly. Also if you look at fiat money for a minute, do people not use money because it's "got an image problem"? Because people use it to buy drugs?
I agree with MichaelGedi, image can change. It seem every new technology has been used to satisfy base pleasures and satisfy our carnal desires, from photography and the telephone to craigslist, twitter and the internet itself. All these things were used for things people shudder at, yet they have persisted because they proved their usefulness.
May 16, 2013, 06:50:45 AM
Incredibly tidy support at $114.00!
May 16, 2013, 06:47:57 AM
You overestimate the negative sentiment the masses have on financial institutions and governments. Yes, everybody complains but most are content with what they have. It's certainly not so drastic that people will go through the incredibly difficult processes of setting up wallets, getting money into the system, buying BTC and then finding a way to spend them, which we know are far and few between.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
Not to mention, Bitcoin is becoming a bad word associated with all things criminal much faster than it's becoming some "beacon of light" as it relates to currency. It's highly volatile, it's clunky, difficult and confusing and it's absolutely vulnerable to far too many variables. Image is everything and Bitcoin is losing that battle. It's attractive to diehards and high risk investors sure, but most of them have no clue what mainstream wants because they are completely out of the loop.
Bitcoin is like Napster. It has shown us the way but an "iTunes" is coming to do it right. My guess is that's Ripple. They have the advantage of being able to take the high road and separate themselves from the black market, money laundering stigmata that Bitcoin has developed, while still accepting Bitcoin as a currency. This is good for Bitcoin and it's last gasp at mass adoption. If the masses are more concerned with low transaction fees and ease of use, than they are having actual stores of wealth, the XRP will reign because an IOU will be sufficient.
am I right in saying ripple has yet to prove itself in the wild?
You're absolutely right. That's why I said "my guess" because they have to prove it, but if they can deliver what they are "selling" it's going to change everything. Again, that's my guess. I don't see anything remotely close to offering what Ripple is claiming to be able to deliver. And until the server source code is available, we wont know.
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Bitcoin on the other hand has a wealth of developers and investments right now working on developing the infrastructure, and the decentralised nature is inherently very important.
I wouldn't use the term "wealth of developers and investments" but there is an increase of VC money. That honestly means little to me as VC's by nature expect to fail at most of their investments. I see them as throwing relatively small sums of money into the ring, just in case something takes off. Even Google Venture only put up a couple hundred grand into Ripple. That's pocket change.
The BTC developers could never keep up with Ripple development because BTC developers work on what they want, not what the people want. Ripple is accountable to it's investors and thus must deliver updates and upgrades in a timely fashion.
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on the image issue, I think you are right to a degree, but images can change very quickly. Also if you look at fiat money for a minute, do people not use money because it's "got an image problem"? Because people use it to buy drugs?
I don't think the argument that people buy drugs with BTC is a winning argument for exactly what you just said. But on the grand scale when people think the dollar, they don't think negative thoughts. They think, "gotta get more". BTC does not have that advantage. When the masses think Bitcoin, they think negative because that's all they really hear. Now you're right, image can absolutely change and I'm all for it. But who's gonna change it? The Bitcoin community, which is really just this forum in one way or another? I'd say if that's the best BTC has, there's no chance.
May 16, 2013, 06:47:16 AM
You overestimate the negative sentiment the masses have on financial institutions and governments. Yes, everybody complains but most are content with what they have. It's certainly not so drastic that people will go through the incredibly difficult processes of setting up wallets, getting money into the system, buying BTC and then finding a way to spend them, which we know are far and few between.
Seems to be getting more difficult by the day http://blog.wmtransfer.com/en/blog/wmx-the-new-type-of-title-units#.UZTHFVfcOO4
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1efym7/one_of_russian_biggest_epayment_system_webmoney/
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