Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 3395. (Read 26714050 times)

Doesn't stop them from trying with all sorts of derivatives and shit. But I do hope it all bites them in the ass, so "trap" sounds about right.

I look at it as kind-of a trap. They can own more of it, sure. They just can't print more of it.

You are so “very sure”, “more than sure”—but you will not bet on it.

To be crystal-clear, I speak of a PM by Dabs asking a stranger for money for himself, not “charity for starving children”.

If that can’t be proved, then I am willing to pay a penalty of almost my very last money.  Upfront in escrow—if you put your money where your filthy mouth is, at 10x for my troubles.  0.1 BTC from me, which you would surely be happy to see me lose since you are so “very sure” that you are confident in outrageously insulting me.  1.0 BTC from you—upfront in escrow.

Thus far, you have cheap talk, and saccharine, manipulative attempts to tug at people’s heartstrings.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Am I the asshole for wanting to help a fellow long time WOer, who had the courage to ask for help for himself and his family?

I would have even helped someone like death_wish, had I not known he was a bitter person with a disgusting personality. Maybe that makes me gullible. Or maybe I feel like I can place a certain amount of trust into hatcoiners with a long reputation? IDK thats just me.

In my dictionary, begging is something negative when done for personal gain and in insidious ways.

I am sure that from death_wish's perspective, Dabs's charity for starving children is a reportable offense as well. And if I were to take his stupid bet, I am sure he would consider children's charity a form of "begging" as well and nag me for my money until I gave up.

So I am not taking any dumb bets like that since I am more than sure that Dabs has selflessly asked for donations on the behalf of others who were in need.

I am however very sure that he would not go around asking for money for personal profit and malicious intent. Whether on the forum on in a pm. And I am not going to bet on that either, because I don't feel like taking money out of the hands of a suicidal, broke troll.

I put my money where my mouth is.  I put my money where my mouth is—even when I just lost most of my assets, I am almost broke, and I recently admitted to some significant worries about “food security”.

Does goldkingcoiner put his money where his mouth is?

Explanation

I'm very excited about the technology. I'm not as excited about the red-green-dildo thingies, they're kinda incidental to why I registered on the forum (mining).

I'm least excited about Wall Street buying into Bitcoin (also ETFs and other BS), it's money for the people, not money for money bags, but the technology is such that anyone can own bitcoins so obviously money bags will have the most of it.


The vast majority of my corn is mined, not purchased, if that helps you understand why this whole wall observation thing is just an amusement for me

Or to be more accurate, the vast majority of corns I had were dumped and wasted in the careless 2015s, a small fraction that I still have makes me a hodler, and now that mining isn't what it used to be I turned to buying yet smaller fractions using other sources of income because why not.


Well, that makes me very not whimpy, if I understand your criteria correctly LOL


If someone's poor economy allows them only $10, then even if the absolute result is smaller than it would be in a better economy, it's still likely to be a relatively good result for their poor (presumably lower cost of living) economy. However it has to be a truly disposable can-afford-to-lose no-risk-of-mindrusting amount of money. If someone puts $11 in but then have to dump their coins on a dip because they overextended themselves... it's no good. And if $0 is all they can afford, it should be $0.

Other than that, DCA is what 99% (being generous here assuming that at least 1% know how markets work) of people should do instead of chasing dildos. Unfortunately - not specific to Bitcoin but also quite typical to other savings types - many people fuck it up and end up poor when they could have easily afforded comfortable retirement.

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I'm still amazed at how much more of a clown you become with each post.

Tick, tock.  Appropriate actions have been commenced to obtain public proof of Dabs’ past PM begging.

Dabs has a very limited time to confess publicly, right here, that he has a past history of PMing out of the blue (not even to anyone with whom he had prior correspondence!) with explicit asking for money due to alleged difficult circumstances, i.e. begging.  I had no prior grudge against him, personally; to the contrary, I kinda liked the chap.  But if he leaves me hanging here due to his own behaviour—if he doesn’t come clean, then I have no qualms about how much worse this will soon go for his reputation.

goldkingcoiner is a coward, a thoughtless fool, and a stupid n00b.  He rudely insults his betters, and he jumps to conclusions when he has no evidence either way.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!  He owes me an apology and a retraction—and he had damn well better put his money where his mouth is.

In abstract justice, he owes me compensation outright for what he said about me above.  But I am willing to make it a wager.  10x odds, since he is so sure—and 10x seems objectively fair; how likely is it that a new account knows something about Dabs’ past PMs?  Not to mention, I really, really want to gain back a whole bitcoin!

At current prices, if I catastrophically drain my resources to buy BTC that I cannot properly afford, then I can escrow 0.1 BTC on a wager against goldkingcoiner’s 1.0 BTC in the same escrow.  I know of reputable deep-green escrows who would be disinterested parties here, who should certainly be acceptable to everyone here if they are willing to take the deal.  I require PGP-signed contracts or equivalent on all sides, with precisely stated terms—well, no good escrow will handle a deal without that, anyway.

Deal?  You seem so sure!

Explanation

This was edited in after I replied (evidence):


You are essentially calling me a liar, when I tell the truth.  You are libelling me.  (Libel, not slander:  Libel is written; slander is spoken.)

You speak without evidence.  You even say some wild nonsense as if you will invoke the law on me (LOL).

I will not let that pass.  You owe me a retraction with an apology, at the very least.

Now, since you are so sure:  Will you put your money where your mouth is?  How much are you willing to pay me in compensation for smearing my reputation here, not to mention being inexcusably rude to me, if at least one proved past PM beg from Dabs turns up?

Stop evading.  Stop accusing the accuser.  And stop lying about me.

Setting aside churlish irrelevant insults and sob stories, here are the facts:

• Dabs has PM-begged in the past.
• You have now requested on his behalf “any and all help”, and concluded, “Maybe WO should help him out?”  Anyone above the age of five who can read English can see what you are asking.

Stop playing indignant, and lashing out at me as you evade the substance here.  You have some nerve, trying to turn the tables like that; and setting Dabs aside, it is very sleazy of you, goldkingcoiner.

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Edited to add:  Smooth move.  Begging for money—begging, not only shameless, but with audaciously sanctimonious airs!—right in front of someone who is suicidally desperate for money (name checks out), “unwanted BTC” (lol) or otherwise, but who is taking the high road, not being a shameless beggar, not violating forum rules, etc.

I said any UNWANTED BTC (In this case accumulated BTC DUST) can go to him as a donation. And then I said he could use any and all help. Help can be in many forms. I am helping him find a job, for example.
And then I said maybe WO wants to help?

I do not see the part where I begged on his behalf. I wanted to do a good thing for a good man with a green trust reputation who has been doing good deeds on this forum for a long time.

Here is Dabs doing charity for kids: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/feed-some-children-by-dabs-donate-bitcoins-4920-meals-so-far-300631
is this considered "begging" in your book, too? Do you report the hungry children or dabs for "begging" for them? Go ahead, report the whole thread.

Were you unloved by your parents and now you want everyone to be as miserable as you?

Edit:

Death_wish, lets see who else can back up your claim of dabs "begging" per PMs in the past. If you are making reputation-damaging accusations without providing witness or evidence, that is called slander Libel. An action seen as illegal in many countries. And I will also not let that pass if your accusations are untrue.

So:
Can anyone other than death_wish confirm prove that dabs has been "begging" via pm in the past for personal gain?

If you have a wallet (Electrum for example, but several others) that can freeze UTXOs than you have nothing to worry about with these dust satoshis.  I find it fun to freeze them as I realize I am creating wasted value for the attacker.

Explanation

Consistently with the note that I appended at the end of my prior post before I saw your reply:

I am not accusing Dabs of lying about whatever situation he claims to be in.  You are inserting that here as your strawman, goldkingcoiner.

Some people repeatedly get themselves into desperate situations.  (I know this, all too personally.)  Maybe he was telling the truth before—maybe not.  Maybe he is telling the truth now—maybe not.  It is irrelevant to anything that I said.

I said that Dabs has PM-begged before—and now, you are publicly begging on his behalf.  Right in front of someone who is clearly at least as desperate as Dabs, but who is taking the high road.  You’re the jackass.  Don’t you care about my desperate situation?

Incidentally, this is why begging is against forum rules.  Lots of people are genuinely in need.

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So, are you a betting man, goldkingcoiner?

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Edited to add, for the record:  goldkingcoiner is also lying about his own post when put it in terms of “any unwanted BTC”.  His post started with that, then segued immediately into a general beg.  (Not that asking for “any unwanted BTC” would be ok, but that’s not even what this was.)

I was not begging for him, I was asking WO if we could help him out and suggesting any unwanted accumulation of dusted BTC can go towards that goal. Neither am I sure whether or not he is sincere. But I asked him if he was looking for a job and he gladly accepted my offer to ask some people I know whether they need a community manager or something. That does not sound like begging to me, it sounds like taking any opportunity to earn his own money.

And why would an old member with so much trust, merit and history on his profile on Bitcointalk be lying about a despicable situation that he is trying to get out of? And all that for a few peanuts? That does not make sense to me. Report me if you want, you're still a jackass in my book either way. Enjoy my shitlist.

If I am for whatever reason aware of something that transpired once upon a time in PMs somewhere, it is obviously not something for which I can toss you a link.

It would go easier for Dabs here, if he were to be a gentleman and step in here to admit that he has randomly PMed out of the blue asking for money before.  Dabs?  I have no grudge against Dabs, though I will if he doesn’t man up here instead of hiding behind you, goldkingcoiner.

As for you, goldkingcoiner, I wonder:  Are you willing to bet with me on whether proof will turn up?  On what odds?  You seem so sure.  I won’t take charity, but I will happily take money from winning a wager; and you are so caring about needy situations, you are shamelessly ignore forum rules in a roundabout way.  (They are “unofficial rules” for this reason:  They are flexible, “spirit of the rules” types of rules.)

Your post #60384355 has been duly reported to the moderators.

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Edited to add:  goldkingcoiner, “making him seem like some sort of scammer” is your interpretation.  I do not hereby reach commenting on that interpretation either way.

I stated a fact:  Dabs has PM-begged for money in the past.  Now, you indicate that he is asking around for money behind the scenes; and you are publicly begging for money on his behalf.

I never understood the reasoning behind these dust transactions.

As an example, the amount of dust sent out from this address over the years is crazy:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FFirnLctcZxVx5otnLNZ4dDGUkMBM4vNr

Many of the recipients have spent the coins.

Record low interest rates and a fuck ton of money is exactly what is coming down the line if the Fed overdoes things and causes Japan, EU to burn. What do you think the chances are that the Fed overdoes things? And even if they do manage a soft landing, they will still need to ease as their is still too much debt in the system to have a sustaiable recovery without easing. One way or another BTC is going to 100k. If the Fed fucks this up it could easily be the end of this year. If they are a bit more delicate, 100k is delayed for a few years, either way it is happening.

Also, take note of their CBDC talk. It has fuck all to do with competing with BTC or shitcoins, and everything to do with allowing the Fed to do very controlled fiscal stimulus. At the moment the Fed can only do monetary. The difference is massive.