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Thanks for this, I went through the links. Nice historical references to the progression to where we are now. All the concepts involved are very interesting and significant. Math & science at its best.

My only concern is that the more of such elements one adds to the protocol, the more complex it becomes, and this has the potential to make it less robust (more vulnerable to attacks and other complications). I'm very supportive of any improvement that can add important features to the protocol, but I'm just a tiny little bit concerned of the end result, once the beast is released out in the wild. I trust the developers and I'm sure they've tested everything thoroughly, so hopefully nothing wrong will come out if this, but just a stronger, more capable, more flexible protocol.


I get your concern, any code added increases the attack surface. BUT the beauty is you don't have to use the newly added functionality (as with most other software upgrades). It is a softfork, legacy addresses or multisig not using Schnorr signatures and Tapscript will keep on working just fine (and the Schnorr signature scheme is from 1990 so already rather proven). It is now up to the wallet software providers and blockchain explorers to update their software, for exchanges and third party custodians it will (and probably should) take even longer.

Guess I am trying to say the adoption of Taproot will be slowly over time. It is not that with the Taproot activation in November anything immediately changes to Bitcoin.

The beauty of BTC is that the idea is from the 70s and the code is moslty from 90s 00s.
And people still don't get how valuable that is.
Thanks bitcoin devs

That simple idea also fuels the argument for why changes to the Bitcoin codebase have to be done SLOWLY and VERY CAREFULLY.

Even with examples of ridiculous 'theft' and loss we have on Ethereum have not convinced MANY folks that the whole Bitcoin does not have all the latest "improvements" argument is horribly misguided.
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Well no, in my TA I was looking at resistance levels not support (which are exactly equal at the 0,382-0,618 Fibonacci levels. In my case, the mathematical golden ratio (the black line in my TA) of the Fibonacci sequence remains the same price difference, either way.
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Good discussion above on key management and the perils of inheritance.  This is where my brain has been this weekend too.

I have not decided what I will do insofar as inheritance.  It's tough.  Because I do like the idea of leaving wealth for my children as an ultimate act of provision as their dad, yet I have seen what unearned wealth does to people.  When you can buy all the heroin you want for your whole, shortened life, and are miserable... then why not?  On the other hand who they are is primarily dependent on their actions, not mine.  I hope I have raised them moderately well...  I certainly have not been perfect.

As to the technical ways of doing this.  There are so many catch-22s.  ESPECIALLY in the realm of self custody.  Ultimately this is part of my reasoning behind why I think "banks" of one kind or another are still useful and needed.  But those come with another set of horrible tradeoffs.

OK.  Say you leave a seed phrase in a safe deposit box.  Well, what if there is a court order for the bank to drill the box?  From ANYONE.  The government, family that has gone rogue, Craig Wright?  Lol.

OK BIP-39 password then.  That mitigates that at least somewhat.  Then how do you store the password?  In your, and your families memories?  Scary weak, the human mind.  Also what if you want to not reveal that password until it is necessary to avoid some of the "rogue family member scenario".  You could back up the password on stainless steel too.  Ugh.  Now we are trapped in loops of storage.  Also now our enemy becomes complexity.The more you do to complicate this whole process the more risk you incur.  But if you make it too "simple" then again, risks. Use the same password as the WiFi router that all the family members know?  Or some 32 character password like this one:

7=a1m'9?T7G0w5q{^QetXyV08^y7Tk4-

That password has 167 bits of entropy.  It would be practically impossible to guess.  Also practically impossible to remember.  So we have to balance strength with memorability. Or at least ease of storage and retrieval.  But if you store your password in the same vault as your seed, what good is it?  And yet if you store them in two places now you are 2x as vulnerable to loss. Lose one half of the recipe, and it's as good as having lost all of it.  By increasing "geolocation entropy" we are also increasing certain risks, while mitigating others.

Hold on... we are just getting started. Wink  Aha!  You might say.  Use multisig!

I like it.  This method can use "geolocation entropy" to our advantage!  Now we can reduce much of our risk by storing our seeds in multiple places.  And even if you stored the password WITH the seed (which I do not like, still) an attacker would not be able to get to anything that requires more than 1 key to access.

And yet, this too has some hidden risks.  Did you know that you need all of your XPUBs (or zpubs or ypubs) if you are going to use the "x" number of keys in an x of y setup?  In other words... There are scenarios where you can have 2 of 3 seeds in a 2 of 3 multisig setup and and be shit out of luck. So, you have to safeguard all of your xpubs as well.  So you could store all three x pubs with each seed, but then you have also reduced your security somewhat.  Because all an attacker needs in that scenario is two seeds, where if the XPUBs are elsewhere then the attacker cannot access anything with just 2.  Now a view only electrum wallet or the like can take care of this.  Gives you a way to send coins to storage and also a way to backup your 3 XPUBS.  That view only wallet could be encrypted and stored electronically in an email, or USB key etc (This is it's own rabbit hole of risks that I will not go down lol).

Whew, I know. But that's not even all of it.  (This is where you will see why I still like Monero)

Because we have another issue we have to consider.  Your history on the blockchain.

Say you have a decoy wallet or two.  You keep 10% of your holding in one key's address with no BIP39 password.  That way when the $9 wrench (seriously.. they are printing shit tons, I do not think a good wrench is $5 even at Harbor Freight anymore) is hanging over your head and you give up your decoy wallet you have to have made sure your story is plausible.  That wallet better not have originally held the 90% that was later sent to you "real" address.  Because the attacker is not done with the wrench in that case.  Going down this path is VERY nasty.  You cannot hide a coin's history on the Bitcoin network, so one must go to great lengths to cover their tracks.  Coinjoins, or transfers to and from an exchange, or other communal wallet, or certain uses of layer 2 transfers can help here.  But this gets REALLY complicated really fast and has it's own costs and tradeoffs.

My advice?  If you store an amount of wealth in Bitcoin that you are not comfortable just being lost in case you are injured or killed, then you'd better get to cracking on your strategies sooner, rather than later.
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It's done; another $500 million ready to use to top up his BTC balance Cheesy

https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/1404434078795972613

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FUD starting to fade, nothing bad has come from the G7 convention. I think we might start to slowly rise again next week. It’s been tough the last month or so hasn’t it. Most of us have lost a lot of unrealised fiat value in our net worth. I think we begin to see a trend reversal very soon. Over $40,000 by this time next week, selling pressure is exhausted, weak hands are gone. Let’s resume the bull run  Cool

This aged well Cheesy Cheesy

and how  - said the way they did in the old show "the little rascals"

https://youtu.be/VC0PPBrYBco  Grin Grin
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FUD starting to fade, nothing bad has come from the G7 convention. I think we might start to slowly rise again next week. It’s been tough the last month or so hasn’t it. Most of us have lost a lot of unrealised fiat value in our net worth. I think we begin to see a trend reversal very soon. Over $40,000 by this time next week, selling pressure is exhausted, weak hands are gone. Let’s resume the bull run  Cool

This aged well Cheesy Cheesy

and how  - said the way they did in the old show "the little rascals"
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But anyhow, yes, sometimes I did stumble a bit, including that there could be some difficulties to pass down the bitcoins when that mac truck hits the HODLer who has not properly written down instructions to the spouse and/or to other heirs, and surely there could also be a problem that if such good husband ONLY shares such info with such good wife, but the two of them get taken out by the same mac truck, then that might mean that such HODLer has inadequately accounted for weird things that could happen in terms of successorship, and there can be other problems or risks as well for when the house burns down, but the back-up happens to be in the house rather than in another building.. or if the other building is so god-damned close to the house, that they both burn down, and then there could be one fucked HODLer who has not adequately pee pared his/her lil selfie.

I am NOT even saying that I have these matters covered with even 95% certainty either.  I have some various systems and then back up systems and instructions, and then gosh, just going over some scenarios causes me to consider that my various systems and back up systems are not really very good for if "that random and surprise thing were to happen".. .maybe one of the reasons for sticking with bitcoin ONLY.. because shit, there are so many things to learn that it could become even MOAR complicated when adding a few shitcoins into the mix.

I haven't written any instructions anywhere, for anyone to get access to my coins if I get hit by a bus or whatever. And I don't intend to. I don't have children (yet, if ever), so I don't feel any evolutionary pressure to pass my coins on to anyone. I have lots of relatives (cousins, nieces, nephews), but, frankly, I don't see it as fair and justifiable to give them free coins just because we are genetically related.

There's no free lunch in this world, and there shouldn't be. Everyone should use their own brain and capabilities to position themselves in this world, financially, socially, intellectually. Everyone should get on their bike and work their way through life, without expecting someone else (parent, spouse, donor or whomever) to give them a free ticket.

So, if I ever die suddenly, my coins' value will effectively be spread and divided among all coiners out there. Evenly. Equally. Fairly. I feel this is fairer and more just than simply giving my coins to some spoiled brat niece or lazy nephew, just because they contain part of my DNA. I know, this sounds very misanthropic, and maybe I am a misanthrope to a degree, but, sadly, I see very few reasons not to be.

Maybe we should author a smart contract.. all your coins go to me upon death after I execute my end of the deal.   I will hold an international party for Hodlers and worthy WO members in your memory with the funds.   The party favors will be awesome and include some loaded wallets.
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FUD starting to fade, nothing bad has come from the G7 convention. I think we might start to slowly rise again next week. It’s been tough the last month or so hasn’t it. Most of us have lost a lot of unrealised fiat value in our net worth. I think we begin to see a trend reversal very soon. Over $40,000 by this time next week, selling pressure is exhausted, weak hands are gone. Let’s resume the bull run  Cool

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Maybe you're right, this whole thing has just been a reverse bart. And it just broke 40k finally....

It's almost the same even if you draw the fibo retracement the wrong way.

100 % - 61.8 % = 38.2 %

His 61.8 % level is my 38.2 % level. Decision time as soon we will reach this area.
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$40k, imminent!

$40k is impenetrable. Not gonna happen.

 Kiss Kiss Kiss
(Then again, 40k is meaningless, resistance is at around 42k. We'll see.)
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Maybe you're right, this whole thing has just been a reverse bart. And it just broke 40k finally....
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