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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 5668. (Read 26608466 times)

legendary
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How are the lower and the upper lines chosen?  You just pick a price starting point from January 2013?

Starting points do not matter, since the idea is to illustrate a slope, and compare it to the BLACK SLOPE of 200WMA.
I just think the slopes are approximately similar.

Of course the 200 WMA should be the most factually ladened of the lines and the 2x lines seem to be largely attempting to make a projection of where the BTC price might be going based on where the BTC price has been.. and surely whether starting in 2011 or 2013 or which price is chosen can be interesting thought experiments, even if somewhat randomly chosen.. and I will sometimes choose my own representations of BTC prices at certain points in time based upon where BTC prices might seem to be gravitating over that period of time (which is not unlike what others do, even if they might arrive there based on different kinds of maths and sciences), so in that regard, to me it seems that some numbers are more significant (because of their seeming representativeness) in terms of bouncing off points in comparison to numbers.

Similar to the recent subject about when should we start to measure BTC's price because of course, one of the very first transactions to buy two pizzas for 10k bitcoin might not be as representative as prices a few months down the road when larger numbers of trades are allowed and even locations for conducting such trades become more common.. so in that regard, there is a kind of product of the number of transactions and maybe the passage of time, and I do have some troubles gravitating on any price analysis that uses 2010 data because it seems so sporadic.. but it seems by the time that we are getting to 2011, even if the BTC price discovery is relatively immature, it seems fair enough to start to use that data rather than waiting for 2013 or some further down the road date - at least in my thinking.

I am wondering if a large number of these folks really mean 100% per year, even though they are saying 200% per year...

No, it started with some recent article, that compared recent prices with the prices 10 years ago, and claimed that it triples every year. Everyone started repeating it, even Saylor who is smart enough to know better. So they're basing this conclusion on going way too much into the past, into unreliable territory of tiny volumes/prices.

I do agree that going too far into 2010 is going to give way too tiny of numbers that it is not a fair representation, so yeah maybe we can still agree to disagree whether 2011 numbers are helpful in this regard or if the earlier dates are just way too inflammatory in their representations because the starting out points do end up being so small, even in 2011 when we don't see BTC prices above $1 until about January/February 2011, but once BTC prices went above $1 they did end up staying there, even after the mid-2011 price peak to $32-ish that ended up correcting to $2-ish.. and gosh.. maybe we could start measuring from $1, even though there are still prices in January 2011 that are below $1.. but still even if it is seeming somewhat random, starting from $1 does seem to have some calculation ease within it, and it would be after there had been a decent amount of quite rudimentary price discovery for 6 to 9 months prior to that...

Are you annoyed by their seeming to get the numbers wrong?  or are you annoyed because they are stealing your idea without giving proper credit?

The first.

I just think it's important to establish a rough estimate of a multi-year trend for such volatile asset. Since it's based on 4-year halving cycle, I think considering the last 8 years is fine, like on that PlanB's chart. His black 200WMA line is also fine, since it roughly keeps the slope year-after-year. It's almost linear.

Of course the 200WMA keeps moving up and its slope is greater during periods of greater price divergence.. and sure there might be some extended time that BTC prices do end up going below the 200WMA.. but so far has been quite rare.. and even in March 2020 when prices dipped down to $3,850, we really ONLY had a few days below the 200WMA.. which was around $5k at the time of that March 2020 dippening.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
Thank you so much guys... I'm using Electrum now.

You might want to learn how to use it offline, together with either another phone or with your computer. You can use that Samsung as your cold wallet, while it's probably okay to keep it online as your hot wallet too.
legendary
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Bitcoin needs you!
I’ll raise you to a PAIR OF QUEENS  Smiley

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legendary
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today is friday Leg day
i will open a few cold ones
bitcoin is awesome


Leg day? But the gyms are closed. At least in here.
Now saturday for me and everything is open here.
sr. member
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I don't know where I'm going, but I'm going.
today is friday Leg day
i will open a few cold ones
bitcoin is awesome


Leg day? But the gyms are closed. At least in here.
legendary
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All good things to those who wait
legendary
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today is friday Leg day
i will open a few cold ones
bitcoin is awesome

legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
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Yes that’s always true “Not your keys, Not your coins”

One question how much can we trust these third party wallets then? Specially these wallets on our mobile apps. Although they give us access to the private keys but still can we trust them? I have been using Jaxx. But often I will open my wallet to confirm my coins are still there or some developer of Jaxx have already transferred my funds to some cold wallet :p

Why use Jaxx when Bitcoin for Android and Electrum works? What do these other wallets have? I understand some like Casa and Unchained are multi-signature services but you can also do those on your own.

Does Jaxx publish their source code for the app? Can you compile it yourself and check?

And Electrum have been promising easy multisig for a while. I expect they'll deliver when it's tested appropriately.


Thank you so much guys... I'm using Electrum now.

I have been using iPhone but for my bitcoins today I bought second phone Samsung galaxy S8... just for using Electrum and for the safety of my bitcoins and finally transferred my Jaxx bitcoins to Electrum wallet.

I'm sure bitcoin will pay off this little investment too.

legendary
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Fun fact, ABBA got famous by winning the Eurovision song contest in 1974 in Brighton, I watched it with some friends at a friends place in Rosengård (now a no go zone) and then biked home in the middle of the night, I was 14 and it was totally safe.
The song is called Waterloo, enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp1_OKawHYw

Shilling Swedish pop from the 70s unashamedly...  Roll Eyes


But I have to admit, they produced some of the best Europop of the past century.
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So yeah if you are fairly young, then the timeline aspect can screw you up in terms of establishing an accumulation goal but then having to figure out how much that you would actually need to pull the fuck you lever in order to sustain yourself which could be a quite daunting projection in terms of the number of years or even your earning power if you are ONLY late 20s or early 30s as compared to someone who already entered into their 60s and likely has a much shorter time horizon and might not feel so compelled to conquer the world in terms of ongoing earning power.

I am still kind of assuming that you, shahzadafzal, are contemplating the top or possible tops in terms of your desire to accumulate more BTC, and you have not even come close to reaching your BTC accumulation goal, and that is part of the reason that you are expressing some anxiety in terms of what can be done (on a personal action level from yourself) in regards to BTC price swings that we largely know to be inevitable, but we really have few clues as to exactly when they might come - even if there are all kinds of trading theories including waves and some of that other bullshit that we could try to plug into bitcoin as a less mature asset class but has its own price performance models that help us to figure out how bitcoin's likely price performance fits into the other trading models.

Well i won't be denying your judgement in fact i would say it's pretty accurate... yes i would accept i'm still in the beginning of BTC accumulation phase.. my first BTC buy was in late 2017 so of course i'm late. and regarding the trading theories they all go above my head but i will believe if it's coming from someone credible.

.. and yeah, you want to incorporate selling into the formula.. I know I know.. and I do not recommend, unless it is very small amounts and  a kind of profit taking kind of formula.. consider the (SSS) - A Sane and Simple bitcoin Savings plan raking solution (even though rpietila.. rest in peace, was far from sane, there are some good ideas contained in that thread).


Wow i love it... that SSS analysis by rpietila is something... only wish if i had read it back in 2013 and its still valid but of course again it varies person to person and specially in today's market if you already own enough BTC let say in thousands you don't worry about acquiring more but spending carefully.



Well, if you work your fucking ass off in various ways, you can use money from what you have earned to buy bitcoin, including figuring out ways to cut your living expenses, such as vapourminer's favorite ramen noodles.. and you can use some or all of the saved money to buy bitcoin.  You can also forestall on making expensive purchases, including depreciating assets, and consider whether it is practical to own such an asset or decide to rent a $2k per month property that you can rent out 2/3 of it for $1,500 and only pay $500 per month in rent rather than getting a place for $1k per month in which you would have to pay all the expenses, which could give you $500 or more in money to invest into bitcoin.  Of course, your age, your skills and your ingenuity could make differences, and sometimes, luck can help too.. but maybe you prepare for being able to get x, y or z lucrative job, but you end up with luck and you get the xyz job that ends up being a better one than you had even contemplated but your preparations had help to put you in such a position.

keeping your many valuable advices a side this one i love the most hahaha...  well i see some of you guys have already convinced your partners on bitcoin but my wife... well she never opposed my bitcoin investments in fact she will support me but whenever I would ask her to buy BTC for her she would say "better buy me a gold ring"... so yeah I guess now my ramen noodles savings only can buy me some more BTC.


You have to decide for yourself what is your status in terms of accumulation and if you need to be spending time in more lucrative activities.  On a personal level, I have largely been on the forum for a bit over 7 years, but largely I had already reached a quasi-retirement status when I came to the forum.... and in my case, I had some business that I was involved in (in 2014, 2015 and 2016.. that I was trying to figure out ways to wrap up and get out of .. which also took several years to sort out.... but did not exactly require me to have to earn money from it.. even while I was trying to wrap it up. .. which probably ended up taking way more time than it should have.. but again personal choices regarding how to spend time and how much money is needed to be earned from some of the chosen activities.. or maybe what other benefits are derived from certain hobbies - such as maintaining health through exercise, even though it does not make any money)..  so each of us is in a different position.

Yes true many factors come along... of course you aren't alone there are people around you effecting your decision and choices too. So you have find a right balance... many of friends are in bitcoin but i think in my close family it's only me.



Of course, you are going to get hate for your wanting to talk about shitcoins in this here thread... not that it might not be a potentially valid way of gaining more bitcoin (and maybe scamming others out of their bitcoin?), but it is NOT on topic in this here thread.... because, in part, such shitcoin topics have tendencies to devolve into shitcoin pumpenings, bitcoin naysaying and a lot of distracting off-topic devolutions, distractions and nonsense.. and ain't nobody got time for dat!!!! at least not in these here parts.. so take your shitcoin contemplations and brainstormenings to udder parts of the forum.. there are udder parts of the forum for those kinds of contemplations and brainstormenings (that are potentially valid, but off topic in these here parts).

Thank you I got my answer...  but yeah i won't comment on it further Smiley
legendary
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Fun fact, ABBA got famous by winning the Eurovision song contest in 1974 in Brighton, I watched it with some friends at a friends place in Rosengård (now a no go zone) and then biked home in the middle of the night, I was 14 and it was totally safe.
The song is called Waterloo, enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp1_OKawHYw

 No need to watch.  That song is hard-coded into my brain.  I wish my private keys could do that!
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
Good job Trezor. Four things that are about to happen this year:

- Trezor Suite Mobile app for Android.
- Connect to your own full node.
- CoinJoin
- CoinControl and CPFP
- (and Tor is already supported)

https://twitter.com/trezor/status/1380464413807931399
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
point it i NEVER had to do anything to keep my corn. addresses i made in 2011 still work. the coin is still there. and i will never need to move those coins to some new format or lose them (well maybe when quantum computer are common).

altcoins swapping to tokens, = you really need to keep updated on them every 2 weeks at most, or at least every month. The ones I still have, somehow I managed to keep up with multiple swaps and still worth at least $100 ~ $500 for me, so I just let them sit and watch if anything develops. The developers and community seem sincere enough and continue to work on them, they simply are just not BTC, and ... you know the rest of the story.

As for your ancient 2011 legacy bitcoins, I would suggest you do try to move them to new addresses now, wait until the fee is reasonable or low *, or if you do need to move them anyway, make sure the change address is to a new format, the ones that start with bc1qxxxx so you save on future fees.

Then you might want to check if you have any of the fork coins too after that. If you had unmoved coins from 2011, you should have all of the other forks up to today, at least try to get some value out of the bigger ones BCH, BSV, BTG, BTD? (diamond?) not sure about the last one. They will at the very least pay for the transaction fees of your king daddy coin.

* sites I use to check current fees:
https://bitcoinfees.net/
https://mempool.observer/
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC%20(default%20mempool),2h,weight

The last one seems to be the most "accurate", I simply set it to 2 hours, default, and weight, then mouse over the end of the chart and look at the number near 1 vMB, which is around 40+ to 50+ sats right now. Then I double and triple check using the other two sites to see what they say (check to see if they also updated recently, maybe refresh the page, you will notice if their last block is like more than 600 minutes ago or something.)

Since you haven't moved any coins since 2011, you can probably get away with a low fee and just wait a day or two and it might confirm. But calculate the total fee value for yourself, and the difference between $1 and $5 or even $10 might not be worth the time waiting for a confirmation block.

If you have one whole coin or more, worth $58k-ish as of this post, then spending $20 to move it to another cold storage native segwit address (and grabbing the fork coins in the process) could be worth it.
legendary
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When will this high power resistance on 60000 USD fall? Feels like an eternity ranging in my humble opinion. Surely we storm the fort in the next week or two.

I think by May  we are into the 70's. 
legendary
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The fighting in Northern Ireland might start again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1lOPzUg0dQ

Sinn Fein / Religious conflicts at the root again. Wouldn't be the worst decision to ban religion.
But the worst is that the Brit government blames the EU for it.
Johnson is about the worst top politician i have witnessed so far: Brings nothing but disadvantages for the british people, seems to be proud of it.



And yet it all looked so good in 1648 with the peace of Westphalia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WO73Dh7rY
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Seems we're out of the downward channel.
* OutOfMemory prays: Please make it permanent, please make it permanent, please make it....
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